Circuitcity hiring cheaper labor.

[PeruvianSkies]

lol ok so kick me off, once again proving alot. O and yes I would argue with the president if I disagreed. But hey thats the difference between people like you who kiss a** and people like me who speak their mind and make differences. Maybe not with you but your one in millions. And if you had chosen to say it the way slumpbuster did I would have agreed and actually asked you to correct my grammar for me seeing as how I know I am not that great at it. Instead you acted like a senior jack a**. Seniority is not everything you think my friend. It is but a little title that means nothing. Cause now a days you have twelve year olds doing as well as you at graphic design. Oh ya and 14 yr olds creating companies that make 100,000/yr-millions. My point is maybe your good at correcting every ones grammatical mistakes, but other people have talents in other areas to. So its not very kind or intelligent for you to go out ripping on people cause you know how to write a proper sentence and they dont.

You see the difference between you and me is not what you think. I would disagree with the president if I didn't see eye to eye, but I wouldn't do it on the first day. This is where we differ. I would have the respect to wait until I had established myself as a valid employee and then in a respectful way I would confront the president about the issue. Instead you would make the mistake of arguing on the first day and then not last very long because you burned your bridges before you had time to cross over to the good side.

Do you not see the error of your ways? What exactly do you know about seniority? When I was 24 I had over 30 people working under me and have continued to add more people over the past 3 years. I know how to manage people and most of them do volunteer work because they love what they do and have a passion for what they do.

We are not here to argue with you or keep on attacking you. I hate seeing conflict arise over stupid issues, but at the same time I am not going to sit by and watch as someone attacks away on here without knowing much about this forum, the issue, or the person.

[PeruvianSkies]

Seeing as how you could totally rip apart my paragraphs, yet you could not express what you trying to point out shows your lack of consideration for people on this board. You think by quoting slumpbuster and saying "this is exactly what I have been attempting to point out all along", Shows that your point got across. Wrong it shows you lack the skills needed to communicate with others. If you think I was being dis respectful think again. Respect it not given. Just cause you started a forum or web page doesnt mean you earned respect from a single one. It shows you put up a page where people could come and discuss subject s pertaining to audio. If your a leader or think you are then you need to evaluate your performance. Like many others once they are higher then other people they think they know everything. To be a leader or a teacher you have to know how to communicate your lessons, or ideas. By communicate I mean get them across in a way that any person regardless of age, race, or intelligence, could understand. So far you have not. The only thing you have proven or shown is that my typing is not up to par with yours, and neither is my grammar.

You cannot teach those who do not wish to learn.

[imported101]

Yes, another great point. You cannot teach those who do not wish to learn. Thanks for admitting that. I never said I would argue with the president on the first day. Thank you though for trying to read between the lines. I know a dozed people who are just as successful as you at your age and younger. But hey I dont say all these people love their jobs cause of me...see I d let them speak for themself rather then make an assumption on how great a manager I think I am. Which is what you just did. You have no proof, no anything except your quote. I dont disagree with you on what your saying I disagree on how you went about it but like you said above you cannot teach those who are not wish to learn. So thank you for telling me point blankly and everyone else noone could ever teach you anything cause you do not wish to learn. This is not an assumption, this is exactly what you, yourself has said. Now maybe your this great big billlionaire which has actually done the things you say you have. Maybe your some low life who has nothing else but to disagree and point out failures in others. See I didnt point out a failure, I pointed out where I think the ideas of some are ridiculous and undercutting of people who dont get a chance to defend them self. Yet instead of protecting those people who cant you chose to protect those people who made the mistake of making obscene comments about employees of a company you cant even rival. So keep on quoting me and telling me where your greater then me...cause I love to learn unlike you. I learn about people 24-7. I respect others when respect has been shown or earned. I expect no less of those around me. I make sure when I speak to someone face to face I look them directly in the eye so they know I am speaking to them and there is no mistake. I lead others daily and people follow. Not cause its their job, see cause I do this outside of work to. I speak to people who you take advice from. People that have a greater influence over everyone. And yet those same people listen to me and understand me. They dont judge my decisions, nor my lack of grammar. Instead like true leaders they listen to what the person is saying, not where they missed a coma or misspelled a word. So yes were very different, I dont quote what I think others think of me or what Ive accomplished be cause its juvenile.

[imported101]

While you quote me at add things like "on...and on....and on......" Please remember this is what shows that even my comments as harsh as they might be still affect you. So if some person on your forum thats a "newbie" can affect you that easy, well lets just say I d hate to see what would happen to you in public when someone did the same thing. You may put on a front and act like your beyond what Im saying but every little comment you make, every little movement you make, every little blink, and every little fidget is a sign. So dont mistake me for some newbie fool, of judget me anymore then you already have cause it took one response from you for me to figure out how to get to you and find out how high you hold your self. Lack of correct grammar does not mean lack of intelligence. Lack of agreement with peruvian skies views does not equal lack of intelligence. Some one who likes to point out where Im wrong in grammar but miss everything of what I was talking about, shows that you lack respect for your board members. You disagree with people that oppose you unless they have perfect grammar. Which in the end shows a lack of individuality.
Individuality - the interests of the individual as distinguished from the interests of the community.
So I only started on here to respond to someone that ripped on employees of a company cause I thought it was arrogant, juvenile, and plain stupid. You not only as a leader agreed and protected that individual, you then proceeded to attack me on little minor things such as grammar. Apparently its a big thing to you, maybe change your forum to something to do with grammar if its such a big passion of yours. Or at least put it in the guidelines. But dont strike someone down for not meeting your standards. Cause every one has a different view.

[PeruvianSkies]

Yes, another great point. You cannot teach those who do not wish to learn. Thanks for admitting that.

SURE, NO PROBLEM.

I never said I would argue with the president on the first day. Thank you though for trying to read between the lines.

HOW WAS I SUPPOSE TO INTEPRET WHAT YOU SAID? SINCE YOU DID NOT SPECIFY IF IT WAS THE FIRST DAY OR NOT.

I know a dozed people who are just as successful as you at your age and younger.

NAME THEM. DO THEY KNOW YOU?

But hey I dont say all these people love their jobs cause of me...see I d let them speak for themself rather then make an assumption on how great a manager I think I am.

PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA SINCE THEY CAN PROBABLY SPELL.

Which is what you just did. You have no proof, no anything except your quote.

AND THIS MEANS?

I dont disagree with you on what your saying I disagree on how you went about it but like you said above you cannot teach those who are not wish to learn.

RIGHT, AND YOU ARE UNWILLING TO LEARN, SO THIS IS POINTLESS.


So thank you for telling me point blankly and everyone else noone could ever teach you anything cause you do not wish to learn.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

This is not an assumption, this is exactly what you, yourself has said. Now maybe your this great big billlionaire which has actually done the things you say you have.

NOPE, I DO NOT MAKE ALOT OF MONEY, BUT I LOVE WHAT I DO, THAT'S WORTH MORE THAN ANY DOLLAR AMOUNT.


Maybe your some low life who has nothing else but to disagree and point out failures in others.

YOU POINT THEM OUT FOR YOURSELF.

See I didnt point out a failure, I pointed out where I think the ideas of some are ridiculous and undercutting of people who dont get a chance to defend them self.

WHO ARE YOU DEFENDING AGAIN?

Yet instead of protecting those people who cant you chose to protect those people who made the mistake of making obscene comments about employees of a company you cant even rival.

HUH???

So keep on quoting me and telling me where your greater then me...cause I love to learn unlike you.

WHEN DID I SAY I WAS GREATER THAN ANYONE? EVERYONE IS EQUAL. I LOVE TO LEARN.


I learn about people 24-7.

PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE AS ALL HUMAN BEINGS MUST SLEEP.

I respect others when respect has been shown or earned.

I DON'T THINK YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS.

I expect no less of those around me. I make sure when I speak to someone face to face I look them directly in the eye so they know I am speaking to them and there is no mistake.

GOOD IDEA.

I lead others daily and people follow.

IN A CIRCLE???

Not cause its their job, see cause I do this outside of work to. I speak to people who you take advice from. People that have a greater influence over everyone. And yet those same people listen to me and understand me.

WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY?

They dont judge my decisions, nor my lack of grammar.

IT'S HARD TO CORRECT GRAMMAR WHEN YOU ARE SPEAKING.

Instead like true leaders they listen to what the person is saying, not where they missed a coma or misspelled a word.

I HOPE YOU DON'T MISS YOUR NEXT COMA.

So yes were very different, I dont quote what I think others think of me or what Ive accomplished be cause its juvenile.

The End.

[imported101]

Hey buddy you may have broken it down again and pointed out your little opinions or comments. Yet again showing how little you are. The people I was standing up for were sales people in general, like your member was ripping on. O and yes those people that I talk to know me, probably some which you should learn from seeing as how they are very well known business men, professors, and quite a few others. Keep pointing out where I miss a coma, or mis spell a word. Good job your 27 and acting like a 12yr old by doing that. Yes physically impossible to learn 24 7 but seeing as how I know if you had any hint of intelligence you d understand what I meant. Which is I love to learn at any minute that I can or have a chance to. You said "I never said I would argue with the president on the first day. Thank you though for trying to read between the lines.

HOW WAS I SUPPOSE TO INTEPRET WHAT YOU SAID? SINCE YOU DID NOT SPECIFY IF IT WAS THE FIRST DAY OR NOT.
Funny you ask, go back and read what you said. You wrote something along the lines of you would never disagree with the president on the first day(ding ding right where you tried to interpret what I meant) you would wait till you were with the company longer and had proven your self before disagreeing. Because then your words would mean more and be more respected and heard. HMMMM for someone that corrects alot you sure have a forget ful mind. O the only thing you have said that is somewhat remotely intelligent tonight is this..
NOPE, I DO NOT MAKE ALOT OF MONEY, BUT I LOVE WHAT I DO, THAT'S WORTH MORE THAN ANY DOLLAR AMOUNT.
and the only thing I would agree with.

[imported101]

o by the way your little side notes in my post......juvenile.
dont disagree with you on what your saying I disagree on how you went about it but like you said above you cannot teach those who are not wish to learn.

RIGHT, AND YOU ARE UNWILLING TO LEARN, SO THIS IS POINTLESS.

Apparently you think you are qualified enough to teach me, and correct me. Quite arrogant.

[imported101]

I lead people everyday. Nope not in a circle. Sorry your not understanding a word of what I say cause of my grammar. Or wait is it cause thats all your focused on? Cause it annoys you the most? Lol. Maybe if you actually asked a intelligent question, or listened and responded to the text, not the grammar, you might not have this discussion going on and on and on. But seeing how its obvious that you think your smarter, and you want me to basically bow to you, its a waste of time to try to expand your mind beyond your limited borders.

[imported101]

I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, but you definately have a way of bringing it out. See I hate cocky people.

[PeruvianSkies]

Hey buddy you may have broken it down again and pointed out your little opinions or comments. Yet again showing how little you are. The people I was standing up for were sales people in general, like your member was ripping on. O and yes those people that I talk to know me, probably some which you should learn from seeing as how they are very well known business men, professors, and quite a few others. Keep pointing out where I miss a coma, or mis spell a word. Good job your 27 and acting like a 12yr old by doing that. Yes physically impossible to learn 24 7 but seeing as how I know if you had any hint of intelligence you d understand what I meant. Which is I love to learn at any minute that I can or have a chance to. You said "I never said I would argue with the president on the first day. Thank you though for trying to read between the lines.

HOW WAS I SUPPOSE TO INTEPRET WHAT YOU SAID? SINCE YOU DID NOT SPECIFY IF IT WAS THE FIRST DAY OR NOT.
Funny you ask, go back and read what you said. You wrote something along the lines of you would never disagree with the president on the first day(ding ding right where you tried to interpret what I meant) you would wait till you were with the company longer and had proven your self before disagreeing. Because then your words would mean more and be more respected and heard. HMMMM for someone that corrects alot you sure have a forget ful mind. O the only thing you have said that is somewhat remotely intelligent tonight is this..
NOPE, I DO NOT MAKE ALOT OF MONEY, BUT I LOVE WHAT I DO, THAT'S WORTH MORE THAN ANY DOLLAR AMOUNT.
and the only thing I would agree with.

You are the one who does not read what is written. I am not the administrator for this website, ERICL is and you can read that right beside his AVATAR.

I said that what you did was like arguing with the president on the first day of work and you said, that you would argue with them. You didn't specify that it was NOT on the first day, so anyone would assume that you meant that you would argue on the first day, which I think you probably would since you run your mouth before knowing the facts. You have proved that tonight. You come here without knowing anything about this place or the people here and quickly jumped all over ERICL without good reason or intent. You went about it so disrespectfully and you can't accept the fact that I am defending him and making you look rediculous in the process. Everyone else who reads this will think the same. You have wasted enough of my time, but others should get a good chuckle out of this thread.

[imported101]

Good I hope they get a good chuckle there buddy. Lol. Sorry for the mistake, see I am willing to admit mine when i make them. Yet you cant. O ya and your the only moron going off on grammar yet others actually had valid points, yes they ripped on me as well but they did not proceed to drag on pointless sh*t like grammar issues. Maybe you all laugh at me that is fine your entitled to your own opinion on that and I would judge you for it. Unlike you have done to me. So peace out, like I said I hate cocky people. And you have gone over board on proving your one of those little cocky people. Yet if Im such a waste of your time, why did you keep responding all night? Yet if anyone gets a chuckle out of this it should also show them how ridiculous you have acted. You have proven that newbies that express their feelings about something are not welcome. Thank you for that at least other forums are professional and allow members to debate regardless of their grammar, or their status on a little forum. Oh and they dont freak out when someone disagrees.

[imported101]

And peruvianskies one more thing. If you d like to point out how smart you are. Next time look at what you write and realize everything you said was to point out how stupid I am, and make fun of me. Yet what I wrote back mostly pointed out how your not a good leader, how you didnt respond to what I said(only grammar), and how others had to explain in their words what you meant cause you lacked the communication skills to be able to. Yet YOU HAVE RECEIVED A A+ IN GRAMMAR CLASS.

[PeruvianSkies]

Troll? Gargle your sack? lol man wow this forum is a class act.

If you have such a problem with this forum and such than why don't you just leave? I only admit I am wrong when I am wrong. Hopefully you are done and can find another forum that is more understanding to your ways.

[imported101]

lol you only admit your wrong when you think you are??????? holy crap man...are you that ridiculous. So you judge whats right and wrong in your opinion. WOW, then bring up a post from what like a hour ago yet you lacked the intelligence to write that line when that post was posted?????? oh my lord man.

[imported101]

Here you are again wasting your precious time on such a idiot like me right? No worries your the only guy I dislike on here. All the others even if they did disagree have actually done so in a appropriate way.

[PeruvianSkies]

And peruvianskies one more thing. If you d like to point out how smart you are. Next time look at what you write and realize everything you said was to point out how stupid I am, and make fun of me. Yet what I wrote back mostly pointed out how your not a good leader, how you didnt respond to what I said(only grammar), and how others had to explain in their words what you meant cause you lacked the communication skills to be able to. Yet YOU HAVE RECEIVED A A+ IN GRAMMAR CLASS.

Others have not responded to your useless babblings because they made one smart move and that was not to fall victim to your troll*-ish ways.

*a troll is someone who posts derogatory or otherwise inflammatory messages about sensitive topics in an established online community such as an online discussion forum to bait users into responding.

I'd say you fit that description to a T!!!

[imported101]

Why dont you take the next hour again like all posts before, and decipher what Ive written then correct my grammar. And in that hour maybe you might be able to find a actual opinion other then grammar correction, other then Im just a idiot, and o wait other then someone elses f*****words.....

[imported101]

lol ok but yet you have responded and fallen victim so we agree they were smart and you were stupid

[imported101]

And troll is incorrect. If the topic was so sensitive maybe they should have thought about not posting something the puts down others because they think those people are useless or stupid. Which is exactly what your protecting, your protecting people who think their above others. Not people who actually have a decent thing to say with actual intelligence to back it. They posted random demeaning comments.
demeaning- that demeans; debasing; degrading.

[imported101]

But I d have to say man, I got on here with just the intention of talking to some people letting them know that some of those so called "pimple faced kids" actually enjoy and know what they are talking about. And that those "pimple faced kids" could do a lot more for you if the company listened to them and allowed them. If you want to degrade some person like that then it shows you lack more then intelligence, or consideration. I just wanted to express that those kids probably know just as much as some of you if not more then most of you, the problem lies in management, and customers with attitudes like yours. Customers that come in and immediately put them down by listing off some crap they read online. Its like listening to some random person who reads a newspaper and puts down soldiers in Iraq for what they do, or believing that they are baby killers. You should understand, if you manage so many employees, what its like to have to deal with attitudes like that every day. To be put down by people like that everyday yet still carry on with a smile to the next customer. A lot of the employees will get younger at these retail stores cause its easier to get them at a lower rate. And companies think its easier to control and manipulate them. Cause like you they think they are smarter. You couldn't be more wrong. But with younger employees comes bigger challenges. Cause customers who share you point of view dont listen to the advice the give, then ruin their speakers, amps, tvs, and computers. Then those same ones come in at 31 days after purchase and want a refund. So when I hear people put down others who I have worked beside in the past, with out fully understanding whats really going on inside those stores all the way up the corporate ladder and all the way down to the consumer, then yes I get offended.

[Feanor]

...
As for the war on the middle class, here's something I always thought was suspect (hopefully I'm not high jacking the thread too much ):
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While a certain amount of this was driven by consumer demand, I always felt that another good portion was driven by outside pressure. Its a spend, spend, spend mentality.
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Certainly, a certain amount of consumerism is a good thing. But there is a limit. At some point consumerism will slow and/or shift, and many retailers will be left holding the bag. i.e. the housing market cools and every stand around with their d!cks in their hands wondering what happened to Home Depot.
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Hi, Slump,

I'd say you're not hijacking the thread very far, anyway. After all, it is about the current economy and the consequences of it.

First an aside to our young friend, importer: hey guy, this thread is fundamentally sympathetic to the CC employees. If you don't see that, you've missed the point.


Consumerism is not entirely or even mainly, spontaneaous with the consumers. Consumerism -- and consumer credit -- have be carefully cultivated by the economic establishment for many years. It's not sufficient that the working person's money be extracted as soon as he/she earns it, it has to be grabbed months or years before that. That's what consumer credit is about: the modern version of old-fashioned "peonage". See the definition from Dictionary.com ...

pe·on·age:

1. the condition or service of a peon.
2. the practice of holding persons in servitude or partial slavery, as to work off a debt or to serve a penal sentence.

(Old-fashion peonage still very much exists in the world in, for the Dominican Republic, where destitute Haitian sugar cane workers are held by contracts whereby they must live in company-provided accomodation and buy food at company-own stores for relatively exorbitant prices.)

[thekid]

While Peruvian and Import compare Mensa scores........... I thought I would/wood/wuld comment on the topic.........

I think the move is typical of a lot of management practices we see in business today(Thank you Jack Walsh). When you want impress Wall Street you fire a large segment of your workforce and claim you are restructuring your business. This usually either temporarily halts the slide of the company stock price or causes the stock price to rise (which usually rewards members of management who have stock options-which they sell to feather their nest) Some investment firm convinced that the company management is serious about addressing the core business problems loans the company some money which they usually use not to address the underlying problems but to construct a new ad campaign to convince the the public that the company is now "new and improved" while in reality it is usually in a slow death spiral which lasts until the company's cash reserves run out or it no longer can raise operating capital.

IMO-The problem that CC faces is that it waited too long to upgrade their stores so the public drifted over to BB which had at the time newer/cleaner stores. They reduced their product lines in order to try and compete on cost with BB and now they are facing stiff competition from places like Wal-Mart on the few remaining big ticket products they do carry. BB made the right move IMO by going the other direction and incorporating the Magnolia concept into their stores because it allows them to have products that Wal-Mart, Target etc won't be able to offer and gives them an image of being a more upscale/serious provider of audio/video products than CC and to some degree Fry's.

[bobsticks]

Why do I feel like the kid at the T-shirt concession stand at a Fall Out Boy show just put his cell phone down long enough to chastize me?

[markw]

Then, somebody came in and started posting larges blocks of words with no separation of ideas, which, when trying to read, is virtually incomprehensible.

If one actually has something to say and actually wants to be understood, then one should learn to write in a readable style. While one might have something interesting to say but it it's spit out as gibberish, then it might not be worth the trouble to try to decipher it form all that.

Anybody can string words together endlessly but to organize them in a readable format takes a little more effort. It's not the number of words used, but the way they are arranged. Sometimes, the fewer words used, the clearer the thoughts conveyed.

One should learn to clearly separate their thoughts. Learn what paragraphs are and how they can be used to separate and clarify ideas. Try to keep it to one or two ideas per paragraph.

Anyhow, as for circuit city, well, I can't recall the last time I was in one and they didn't have at least one HTIB blasting so loud the woofers weren't breaking up and, the few times they were talking to the customers, they were saying how that was an indication of how much bass they have, There was never anyone in the little audio "back rooms" and nobody ever came in to ask me if I needed any help when I went in there and looked arounfd for a few minutes. Is that any way to sell stereos? I don't think so.

As for the TV section, they play all TV's from a satellite feed and won't play a DVD (even when the sets have a built in DVD player) or a SD program on a HD set. Is that any way to sell TV's? I don't think so.

Computers? Well, I've had mixed experiences wit these guys. I went in asking for a flash drive they had on sale and the guy said he didn't have any. I pointed to several that were right behind him in a case.

I will say their autosound selection, crew ,and service is pretty good for civilians like me. Perhaps autosound freaks may want more, I can't say, but as for Joe Sixpack and myself, I'd say we're pretty happy with them.

In fact, I'll go even better than that. I was in there about a month after the XM/Sirus merger was announced (picking up a DVD when it first came out) and stopped in the autosound section to see what's up with this because we were thinking of getting it in at least one of the cars. Instead of trying to sell me on a receiver then, he said I should wait until the mud settles and they come out with a universal receiver. Noe THAT'S the kind of advice that will make me come back.

[Dusty Chalk]

Does that mean I'm not going to get any of your vitriol?

Yes, I said "vitriol." A word I learned in college and did not cut and paste from Wikipedia. And note, I even spelled it right.

You mean, you spelled it correctly.