Quote Originally Posted by klif570
And I thought peanuts were boring..
And I thought peanut heads were boring. Now we have an empty head that want to compete for the title.


Thanks for admitting. The answer is very simple though, they advertise what sells and what attracts people.
That is a naive answer if I ever saw one. It is a typical answer from a person that is clueless about the AV business. To say you have 65,000 DVD only means one thing. You have a variety of DVD releases that you have purchase for rental over the last 10 years. A product that is not growing, but has matured and is dying a slow death just like VHS did when DVD came to the marketplace. It is amazing that my kids have learned to connect information dots, but you haven't.



Yep, we are. A bit like you follow the Japanese.
So you don't think you follow the Japanese? Will dimwit, that CD player you are looking for, it was based on a design patented by Sony, a Japanese company. Philips didn't introduce their design until three years after Sony introduced theirs. The current players are based on Sony's design, and the only contributions that were patented by Philips is the disc manufacturing process. Sony could have easily done this with Pioneer instead of Philips.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_disc

That Denon DVD player you just purchased. That is a Japanese product designed by two Japanese company called Toshiba and Sony.(DVD is a combination of Sony's MMCD and Toshiba's SDD)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD

That VHS you probably owned in the past(or still own) It was invented by a Japanese company called JVC. Beta was created by a Japanese company called Sony

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VHS

Now Philips has introduced a product themselves called DCC, but that was a miserable failure in the market place, a market place where a certain company dominated with the walkman. That company was a Japanese company called Sony.

So dingy, everyone has been following the Japanese, not just me, but you as well.



Let's assume the US has switched to the new format. Does that mean DVDs are written off? Even though they are popular in other countries?
I think you are interchanging what is in wide use for what is popular. An iphone is popular as its sales are growing like roaches breed. The same with Blu ray. The DVD is not popular, it is in wide usage because the technology has been around longer than Blu ray. Popular products do not have year to year sales losses on both players and software, it has sales growth(see Cell phones). In Europe DVD is on a downward trend on both software and hardware, so it is not popular anymore. When somebody looks at a sales chart of the DVD format as a whole, they see decline, not incline. Putting the dots together, DVD is suffering declines in Japan, the US, and Europe as well, so it is time to be written off. Now you may be white knuckling DVD, but apparently nobody else is.


And where do they rent from then? Tescos?! Haha they don't even stock Blu Ray yet. As I said before, it shows the trend for the UK, Ireland, Germany, and, my mistake, the whole Scandinavia..so more than 4 countries. Some of the wealthiest countries in Europe. Now would you like to know how the rest of Europe is doing? The poorer countries? Eastern Europe? They will take even longer to switch to Blu Ray.
Two problems with this response. Europe is not 4 countries(or regions) it is 50. Lovefilm only represents 50% of the rental business in those 4 countries(or regions), not 100%. So with only 50% of the market, you cannot use Lovefilm as the barometer for anything, you have to look at the whole pie. What you said earlier is that Lovefilm is a trend for Europe, and now you are back peddling it to four countries and a small region. Rentals are not going to save a dying format, VHS is a prime example of that.

Yes, I know. That's what I've been saying myself, that while Blu Ray seems to be popular there, it's just not on the same level in Europe.
Sorry, with Blu ray sales jumping 167% over last years, and DVD declining 9% last year, that is not a sign of popularity, but a sign of a maturing format that is bowing slowly to another format. It is predicted that Blu ray disc sales will surpass DVD in the next three years if Blu ray continues to grow and DVD continues to decline. Once Blu ray sales reach parity to DVD, say good bye to DVD. This goes for DVD players as well.

Next to nothing? Why do they stock thousands of older films then? Films that were released ages before Lovefilm opened up? If everyone only wants the new stuff there's no point to stock anything ancient.
You do not seem to know the history of your own rental company do you? Lovefilm was born out of mergers, not grown from the ground up. The older titles are likely inventory gained from those mergers. According to NDP, new releases make up a majority of rental income, while the remaining titles make up a pittance in comparison. I didn't say the older titles were NEVER rented, I said they do not generate very much income. Since you do really understand the rental business, I'll explain why the older titles are there. It is called the bread and butter of the rental industry, and its name is variety and depth. Keep in mind, they only have 65,000 titles out of 110,000 released on the DVD format. Titles that are not moving are recycled out of rotation in favor of a newer release. Netflix has 102,000 titles in comparison to Lovefilms 65,000. Netflix is so much larger than Lovefilm, they likely generate more income on older titles than Lovefilm does which is why their inventory is so much larger. Lovefilm has 1.2 million customers, and Netflix has roughly 10 million.


Not long ago you were making animal sounds on here.. Worry about your chain a little more
This is a rather stupid statement to make since this site has no way of transmitting my voice to you. Do you want to try again?


ATTENTION! You just made a fool out of yourself, in public. Right in front of fellow audiophiles. Most Blu Ray players are rubbish at playing back CDs. Even DVD players are, and nothing can match a dedicated CD spinner. How about you get some style and look up names like Vincent, Naim, Arcam? And I'm talking CD players only.[/quote]

You can't afford any of those CD players, so that point is irrelevant. You are not looking for an audiophile CD player, so to even bring that up is disingenious at best. Pioneer makes Blu ray players that have received rave reviews on their CD playback as well as their DVD and Blu ray playback. All of those CD players you mentioned costs far more than a most Blu ray players, and can only play a CD and that is it. CD players don't do multichannel audio, they are confined to two channel digital audio. I just ordered a Pioneer BDP-09FD, and I'll bet it will keep up with many high end CD players within its price range when playing back CD's.

16/44.1khz audio is yesterday. We are in the day of 24/96khz audio and 24/192khz audio on the Blu ray format. No CD player can playback at those bit and sample rates, they are confined to redbook CD audio. The best audio I have ever heard didn't come from a CD player, it came from my Oppo SE Blu ray player on the Blu ray format playing back TrondheimSolistene: Divertimenti. When you compare the 5.1 24/192khz audio to the 2.0 16/44.1khz CD layer on the SACD, it is no contest. Dedicated CD players are nearly extinct anyway. Read the review and weep.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Trondh...y-Review/1097/

I think this sentence is really telling

On the caboose, of course, was the CD layer included on the SACD. Not horrible, but I cannot understand listening to this content when 24/192 PCM is included. Maybe in the car?


No, what upsets you is that I am perfectly happy with DVDs and CDs. And you just can't stand it when people don't upgrade. Not long ago you were asking Smoke to get one. You really do have some sort of Blu Ray upgrade phobia.
The difference between you and I is I know when to hold it, I know when to support it, and I know when to abandon a dying format. It is pure arrogance to think I would be upset over what you do. I do not care what you do, you can stay behind the curve forever as far as I am concerned. But you have to face reality. Both DVD and CD are on their way out of here, and sticking with dying formats is a dead end(no pun intended). I am not upset with you, I feel sorry for you that you are so backwards that you would invest in formats that are on their way out, and not in ones that are here already and growing.

If you think I am so hung up about what you do, go drown yourself and see if I shed a tear.


And what's that supposed to mean? That you don't agree with how Denon class their products? It says Full-HD 1080p upscalling and I'm perfectly happy with the quality. It's DVD-1740, by the way.
Full HD 1080p does not need upscaling. Since Wooch has already covered this bit of ignorance, there is no need for me to ground your head into the pavement on it.

One more thing, I've made my point, and you've just proved to be a stuck up fanboy of Blu Ray. Are you gonna cry that I feel no need to upgrade? Or are you gonna call me names and say I'm retarded because I'm happy with DVDs and CDs?
And you are a fanboy of old technology, so what! I say you are technologically retarded because you don't know a DAC from a decoder, or a upscaled image from a native one.

One thing's for sure, I'm not going to lower myself to your level and waste my time arguing with you
Lower yourself, dude you just hit the education jackpot here. Instead of arguing, maybe you should be reading and learning. You don't seem to know anything about what you are arguing about anyway. Oh, let the door hit you on the way out.