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    You know Pix I've had a turntable since the late 70's and if I had never heard a good turntable, I'd be agreeing with you. Luckily, my town has a high end shop and I borrowed a Rega from them. That was an amazing thing, my vinyl never sounded so good. It's a fact that the dynamic range won't equal a CD player but with a good piece of vinyl and the right cartridge the sound can be nearly as quiet. I don't really hold a hard line one way or the other as far as which is better but I wouldn't get rid of either one. The reason I borrowed the turntable is it was around the same time I started upgrading my system and I was seriously considering getting out of vinyl. When I heard what a good turntable can really do and weighed the fact that many of my albums hadn't been put on CD or were expensive imports, I just upgraded my turntable and phono stage right along with everything else. Of course, everything was done in stages.

    RGA would debate the virtues of SET's with you. My gear and most higher power tube amps are an ultralinear design. There's been improvements in tube gear over the years, you should reserve judgement. I'm not an EE but the distortion people try to lay on tube gear is a different type than harmonic. I believe it is 3rd order distortion or some such. But harmonic distortion is very evident to my ears and I wouldn't sink thousands of dollars into an amp that would let me hear distortion. My CJ is not the power house my Krell is, so the CJ does have it's limit. I just have to know my gear and not go there.

    I don't hold back my opinions on gear either. Anyone who pays attention to me, aside from needing therapy, will notice I'm not partial to Bose, Klipsch, Yamaha and others too numerous to mention. But, if some one says they like that gear, I respect that. And, there has been times in certain circumstances I actually recommended those brands because they met a person's need. It may not always show but I don't want anyone to feel bad or inferior because they use a brand I don't like. If they've done their research/listening and that's what they prefer, or the best in what they have for a budget, then they should be confident in themselves. Because at the end of the day it's them that listen to it, not me. If I do voice my opinion on gear though, one way or the other, it will be from my personal experience or I will say different in my post.

    Why are all of your posts in the wee morning hours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Peabody
    You know Pix I've had a turntable since the late 70's and if I had never heard a good turntable, I'd be agreeing with you. Luckily, my town has a high end shop and I borrowed a Rega from them. That was an amazing thing, my vinyl never sounded so good. It's a fact that the dynamic range won't equal a CD player but with a good piece of vinyl and the right cartridge the sound can be nearly as quiet. I don't really hold a hard line one way or the other as far as which is better but I wouldn't get rid of either one. The reason I borrowed the turntable is it was around the same time I started upgrading my system and I was seriously considering getting out of vinyl. When I heard what a good turntable can really do and weighed the fact that many of my albums hadn't been put on CD or were expensive imports, I just upgraded my turntable and phono stage right along with everything else. Of course, everything was done in stages.

    RGA would debate the virtues of SET's with you. My gear and most higher power tube amps are an ultralinear design. There's been improvements in tube gear over the years, you should reserve judgement. I'm not an EE but the distortion people try to lay on tube gear is a different type than harmonic. I believe it is 3rd order distortion or some such. But harmonic distortion is very evident to my ears and I wouldn't sink thousands of dollars into an amp that would let me hear distortion. My CJ is not the power house my Krell is, so the CJ does have it's limit. I just have to know my gear and not go there.

    I don't hold back my opinions on gear either. Anyone who pays attention to me, aside from needing therapy, will notice I'm not partial to Bose, Klipsch, Yamaha and others too numerous to mention. But, if some one says they like that gear, I respect that. And, there has been times in certain circumstances I actually recommended those brands because they met a person's need. It may not always show but I don't want anyone to feel bad or inferior because they use a brand I don't like. If they've done their research/listening and that's what they prefer, or the best in what they have for a budget, then they should be confident in themselves. Because at the end of the day it's them that listen to it, not me. If I do voice my opinion on gear though, one way or the other, it will be from my personal experience or I will say different in my post.

    Why are all of your posts in the wee morning hours?
    I come home, eat, watch the tube, er PANEL, and flip it over to RGB and surf awhile,
    check out a few haunts, come here and throw some opinions out...
    This used to be a resource of reviews for gear I was thinking of buying, and I love the gallery section, got a lot of good ideas.
    And I have posted quite a few reviews, under the moniker moviedog.
    Glad you're not too pissed gm, you seem like an okay guy....seem.
    Can't seem to get away from this place. Anywho, I have listened to scads of turntables,
    and scads of tube amps, and turntables have their place, I have two at the moment,
    both vintage technics, they actually used to make some decent gear.
    But if a turntable and tuber type you have to understand something, both got their start
    in the eighties, a few brillant types thought, well, if turntables, then maybe tubes.
    the fad got so prevalent that some were saying "what next, the gramophone"?
    And then some guy put out a high end gramophone type machine
    And this is a reaction to digital audio, just like painters stopped focusing on realism
    when photography started, so audiophiles started in with the retro stuff to distingwise
    themselves.
    In the seventies NOBODY talked about tubes, there were some, but the FET transtistor was king, seems to me like a regression of sorts, this return to tubes.
    It will pass, in any event.
    I guess what really irritates me is this idea that I am a know nothing, true my skills
    at electronics have become a bit dated, but I have been playing with this stuff for quite
    awhile, surely you dont think I have learned NOTHING in four decades?

    Sure there is a place for turntables, but they have limitations is all I am saying, and they are the past. Dont like the redbook? Then how about lossless formats like Ape, flac,
    MLP, true a lot of those came from CD, but they still sound great.
    Tech has surpassed the CD and eventually the turntable will die.
    Pioneer is coming out with a reel to reel, super high fidelity, now that is exciting
    And tubes? their measured distortion is always in the audible range, they produce excess
    heat, dont last long, require heater circuits that have all sorts of problems,
    the people at bell labs that won the nobel for replacing them got that award for a reason,
    like tube sound? It can (and is) being reproduced electronically, every cheap guitar amp
    has a switch for it, and its on a lot of high end gear as well.
    And paradigm (or whatever) speakers STILL sound like crap.
    Gm you need to understand that insulting a person IS RUDE, but saying bad things about equipment isnt, because equipment doesnt have feelings.
    Nobody should be connected so emotionally to equipment that they are insulted
    when ITS insulted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis
    I come home, eat, watch the tube, er PANEL, and flip it over to RGB and surf awhile,
    check out a few haunts, come here and throw some opinions out...
    This used to be a resource of reviews for gear I was thinking of buying, and I love the gallery section, got a lot of good ideas.
    And I have posted quite a few reviews, under the moniker moviedog.
    Glad you're not too pissed gm, you seem like an okay guy....seem.
    Can't seem to get away from this place. Anywho, I have listened to scads of turntables,
    and scads of tube amps, and turntables have their place, I have two at the moment,
    both vintage technics, they actually used to make some decent gear.
    But if a turntable and tuber type you have to understand something, both got their start
    in the eighties, a few brillant types thought, well, if turntables, then maybe tubes.
    the fad got so prevalent that some were saying "what next, the gramophone"?
    And then some guy put out a high end gramophone type machine
    And this is a reaction to digital audio, just like painters stopped focusing on realism
    when photography started, so audiophiles started in with the retro stuff to distingwise
    themselves.
    In the seventies NOBODY talked about tubes, there were some, but the FET transtistor was king, seems to me like a regression of sorts, this return to tubes.
    It will pass, in any event.
    I guess what really irritates me is this idea that I am a know nothing, true my skills
    at electronics have become a bit dated, but I have been playing with this stuff for quite
    awhile, surely you dont think I have learned NOTHING in four decades?

    Sure there is a place for turntables, but they have limitations is all I am saying, and they are the past. Dont like the redbook? Then how about lossless formats like Ape, flac,
    MLP, true a lot of those came from CD, but they still sound great.
    Tech has surpassed the CD and eventually the turntable will die.
    Pioneer is coming out with a reel to reel, super high fidelity, now that is exciting
    And tubes? their measured distortion is always in the audible range, they produce excess
    heat, dont last long, require heater circuits that have all sorts of problems,
    the people at bell labs that won the nobel for replacing them got that award for a reason,
    like tube sound? It can (and is) being reproduced electronically, every cheap guitar amp
    has a switch for it, and its on a lot of high end gear as well.
    And paradigm (or whatever) speakers STILL sound like crap.
    Gm you need to understand that insulting a person IS RUDE, but saying bad things about equipment isnt, because equipment doesnt have feelings.
    Nobody should be connected so emotionally to equipment that they are insulted
    when ITS insulted.
    Glad you're coming around. A little.
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