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    Quote Originally Posted by RGA View Post
    Please provide a website that shows a poll taken of how 3D tv buyers are "primarily" using their sets - what percentage of time they watch in 3D, how many titles they purchase in 3D in the first 3 months versus beyond 3 months etc. I'll be happy to read "evidence" and statistics by said poll industries.
    Polls don't tell you anythng about sales. If you want to see how folks are using the 3D televisions and projectors, look at the sales figures for software and 3D glasses.

    You can get those comprehensive sales reports from NDP, and they cost between $10,000-$100,000 per year based on the concentration of information you desire. I get my reports through Disney.


    "According to the international accounting and consulting firm [Deloitte], 83 percent of consumers say that 3D isn't enough to make them want to buy a new television. Moreover, 60 percent of respondents said they simply aren't willing to pay extra for a television with 3D capabilities. Just 21 percent of those surveyed said they would pay 10 percent more for a 3D television over a set that doesn't have the technology.

    A requirement for 3D glasses tends to be a major issue for consumers, Deloitte found. The firm said 30 percent of respondents reported that they didn't like wearing 3D glasses. Deloitte Director Ed Moran said in a statement that the glasses are "a barrier to the multitasking that consumers engage in while watching TV, including surfing the Web, reading e-mail, talking on instant message, and reading books, newspapers, and magazines."

    Deloitte's findings aren't good news for 3D television vendors. Several companies have been pushing 3D as the next step in home entertainment. Sony, for example, currently offers several 3D television sets. And earlier this week, the company released a PlayStation 3 firmware update that allows consumers to watch Blu-ray 3D films on their consoles.

    The news gets worse for 3D vendors. Deloitte found that 31 percent of respondents think 3D does not "enhance their entertainment experience." Another 13 percent of those surveyed said they "get physically ill [or] uncomfortable after watching 3D programming."

    There is a single silver lining in Deloitte's findings for vendors. According to the firm, 40 percent of Generation Y respondents said they would buy a 3D set that require glasses. Approximately 55 percent of those people said they would buy a 3D TV if glasses were not required.

    Deloitte's survey was conducted by the Harrison Group in June and July. The survey included responses from 1,960 people between the ages of 14 and 75.


    I don't see why one year makes a big difference - 3D TVs changed dramatically? Sales have increased because as the other article notes the prices dropped like a stone. If the TV's are pretty much the same price buying a 3D TV makes all the sense in the world

    As one of the respondents noted to the first article I posted

    "I bought a 3D set, but no glasses. The full line resolution with full motion was higher for the 3D set. To handle the 3D aspect, it had a more powerful image processor, so it also has better 2D performance.

    I have no 3D content.

    Also, my kids are not enthralled with 3D. We purposely avoided a 3D screening of the final Harry Potter film. So I think the kids are less impressed than you think. They had the same reaction to the 3DS from Nintendo. They found the 3D aspect distracting from the game play, and only use it with the 3D switched off. Nintendo would probably just as soon not hear that, but, oh well.


    13% of people out of the 1960 people surveyed claim to get physically ill. That's not a big deal - Sony Playstation games come with a warning that some people will have seizures.

    Bottom line - if you like it you like it. 3D is not going anywhere - it's backwards compatible and gives you options. But like Starbucks - it's not for everyone.

    PS: - I liked the last three 3D films I saw in the theater - the 3D helped 2 of them distract me (in a good way) from the rather banal movies.

    Prometheus was one of the best "Sounding" movies that I can recall as an added bonus.[/QUOTE]

    You really are quite stupid using polls instead of actual sales figures. And the polls you cite only covered 3DTV, not 3D software or projectors. According to 2nd quarter sales figures for 2012, 3DTV's are set to outpace 3D television sales of 2011. 3D projectors have outsold 2D projectors by 15% in the 2nd quarter, and the Avenger 3D movie bundle was 85% of all disc sales for the title. 3D Bundles now represent more than 50% of all disc sales when a 3D title is sold.

    That is the sales facts, not some survey
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    According to 2nd quarter sales figures for 2012, 3DTV's are set to outpace 3D television sales of 2011.
    Outpace increase, but far from meeting total sales numbers


    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    That is the sales facts, not some survey
    Of the total sales I referenced in my previous post of 37.1 M units, this data says the 3D market will be 15% this year.

    If you have other data, please reference it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E-Stat View Post
    Of the total sales I referenced in my previous post of 37.1 M units, this data says the 3D market will be 15% this year.
    Even with %15 increase which include coming holiday sales, 3-D TVs only makes %6 of total TVs in US household.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey View Post
    Even with %15 increase which include coming holiday sales, 3-D TVs only makes %6 of total TVs in US household.
    Good point. It will take a while to roll over existing units.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E-Stat View Post
    Outpace increase, but far from meeting total sales numbers
    Since we don't know what the total sales numbers are, this statement is misleading.



    Of the total sales I referenced in my previous post of 37.1 M units, this data says the 3D market will be 15% this year.

    If you have other data, please reference it.
    NDP reports are what I use. That 15% is just one segment of the market. The other segment is 3D projectors - and they put 3D sales past your quoted 15%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    Since we don't know what the total sales numbers are, this statement is misleading.
    For 2012. For 2011, the answer was 7.5%

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    NDP reports are what I use.
    Are you able to substantiate your claims with a link to data?

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    Quote Originally Posted by E-Stat View Post
    For 2012. For 2011, the answer was 7.5%
    That's for televisions only. Do you not think including 3D projectors is important to report as well? You can watch 3D on it, and that is why people buy them. So for televisions it was 7.5%. When you add in 3D projectors, it goes well past your 7.5%


    Are you able to substantiate your claims with a link to data?
    Sorry, but NDP reports are not on the net. If they were, they would not be worth the money they charge for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    Sorry, but NDP reports are not on the net. If they were, they would not be worth the money they charge for them.
    So what are the numbers? Do they conflict with the linked sources I provided?

    Sorry, you're not convincing anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E-Stat View Post
    So what are the numbers? Do they conflict with the linked sources I provided?

    Sorry, you're not convincing anyone.
    Yes they do conflict because your linked sources do not include 3D projector sales. The NDP reports do. Can't you get that through your thick skull? Logic would dictate if 7.5% represents televisions sales, when you include 3D projector sales, it would push the total past 7.5%

    Ralph, you should know by now I am not interested in convincing you, or anyone else. According to NDP, your sales figures fall short of the overall picture. You cannot cherry pick stats, and create a whole picture out of the partial data.
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