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    Yamaha RX-A1000...sure hope it's an upgrade!

    Well, I couldn't stand it any longer. I've had the upgrade itch real bad for about 6 months and just couldn't wait any longer.

    Currently using the Outlaw 990 pre/pro with a Boston 7 channel amp. I've had the Outlaw since they day they came out and it's phenomenal. However, I've outgrown it. It has no HDMI, so I have to deal with that with an external box. When I added BluRay to it, I had to give up my SACD's since it has no internal decoders for BluRay audio. I have an LCD and a projector, so I have to have an external HDMI splitter. I'm out of HDMI inputs on my switcher now and would have to replace that. So, it's time. I've been waiting 2 years for Outlaw to come out with the replacement but they've abandoned that, so I had to go elsewhere.

    I just hope this Yamaha is an upgrade! Any users here?

    I'm normally a pre/pro guy, but it basically came down to price, features, and financing. I didn't want a receiver, but I just can't afford a $1600 pre/pro. Plus, BestBuy's 3 year financing pretty much nailed down where I was going to get it!

    Now, not only would I normally not buy a receiver....much less a Yamaha. I just always perceived them as 'lesser' than other brands. I don't know why.

    But, you know what? Yamaha is the ONLY company thoughtful enough to include all the basic features I need, so they got my business.

    Onkyo is a bunch of morons for not including a simple 12v DC trigger, or at least a switched outlet for amp/screen turn on.

    Denon is a bunch of morons for not including 7.1 analog inputs on their new receivers.

    Marantz is a bunch of morons for not including dual HDMI outputs on their new receivers even though the models they directly replaced DID HAVE DUAL OUTPUTS!

    So it basically came down to two options...this Yamaha or the Marantz SR7005, which is $600 more, STILL a receiver, and only has 5 HDMI inputs.

    Feature wise, the Yamaha is the clear winner. I just hope it's up to snuff sound wise!

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    That model seems very option rich. The only knock I've read is that it doesn't have as much power as some previous models. If you are going to keep using your external amps, then you should end up very happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMichael View Post
    That model seems very option rich. The only knock I've read is that it doesn't have as much power as some previous models. If you are going to keep using your external amps, then you should end up very happy.
    Exactly. I don't care if the internal amps sound like warmed over crap! My mains are self powered Paradigm Reference Active 40's and the center and surrounds are powered by 3 channels of a 7 channel amp so I have plenty of power to spare

    I'll probably use the receivers amps to power the zone 2 outdoor speakers though, which are currently also powered by the 7 channel.

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    Well.....definitely worth the upgrade. I'm quite impressed with this Yamaha receiver, keeping in mind that I'm just using it as a preamp.

    The HDMI switching and splitting to 2 displays works so much better than the external box I was using. And man did I miss my SACD's! This baby has all the features I need, and the 7 HDMI inputs is going to come in handy, considering I'm already using 6 of them. Very happy with this Yamaha, and it's not even a brand I would have considered before. But thanks to Onkyo's stupidity, and Denon and Marantz's feature stripping on their new recievers, Yamaha got my business!

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    Quote Originally Posted by N. Abstentia View Post
    Well, I couldn't stand it any longer. I've had the upgrade itch real bad for about 6 months and just couldn't wait any longer.

    Currently using the Outlaw 990 pre/pro with a Boston 7 channel amp. I've had the Outlaw since they day they came out and it's phenomenal. However, I've outgrown it. It has no HDMI, so I have to deal with that with an external box. When I added BluRay to it, I had to give up my SACD's since it has no internal decoders for BluRay audio. I have an LCD and a projector, so I have to have an external HDMI splitter. I'm out of HDMI inputs on my switcher now and would have to replace that. So, it's time. I've been waiting 2 years for Outlaw to come out with the replacement but they've abandoned that, so I had to go elsewhere.

    I just hope this Yamaha is an upgrade! Any users here?

    I'm normally a pre/pro guy, but it basically came down to price, features, and financing. I didn't want a receiver, but I just can't afford a $1600 pre/pro. Plus, BestBuy's 3 year financing pretty much nailed down where I was going to get it!

    Now, not only would I normally not buy a receiver....much less a Yamaha. I just always perceived them as 'lesser' than other brands. I don't know why.

    But, you know what? Yamaha is the ONLY company thoughtful enough to include all the basic features I need, so they got my business.

    Onkyo is a bunch of morons for not including a simple 12v DC trigger, or at least a switched outlet for amp/screen turn on.

    Denon is a bunch of morons for not including 7.1 analog inputs on their new receivers.

    Marantz is a bunch of morons for not including dual HDMI outputs on their new receivers even though the models they directly replaced DID HAVE DUAL OUTPUTS!

    So it basically came down to two options...this Yamaha or the Marantz SR7005, which is $600 more, STILL a receiver, and only has 5 HDMI inputs.

    Feature wise, the Yamaha is the clear winner. I just hope it's up to snuff sound wise!
    INTEGRA (Onkyos LEXUS line) does have 12v triggers, since more use those for pre-pros, makes sense, so easy on the
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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis View Post
    INTEGRA (Onkyos LEXUS line) does have 12v triggers, since more use those for pre-pros, makes sense, so easy on the
    "moron" moniker, okay?
    I didn't even know Integra was still in business!

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    Ooh

    is there more of a review coming up too?
    I'm thinking of buying a RX-V667. Choices are between the yammie or a Denon equivalent (price wise), I don't need all the options, but I sure do like the analog in & out's, and various other connections. the set up menu also appeals to me...

    Bear in mind that (for now, at least), I'd be using it as an amp too, since I don't have money to spare for external power amps...

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    How do you like the sound quality compared to your Outlaw?
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    Quote Originally Posted by N. Abstentia View Post
    I didn't even know Integra was still in business!
    Integra is definitely still in business. I was considering one of their pre-pros before going with Marantz.

    I'm glad that you found a receiver with the features that you needed for your setup. I know how frustrating a process that can be, especially with so many manufacturers streamlining functionality.

    For what it's worth, there was a time when Yamaha was one of the top 2 - 3 receiver producers quality-wise. They've since fallen out of favor for reasons I've yet to fathom, but I would still consider them a viable option were I in the market for a new AVR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N. Abstentia View Post
    I didn't even know Integra was still in business!
    And who is calling who a "moron"?
    Integra is alive and well and moved upscale, thankyouverymuch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis View Post
    And who is calling who a "moron"?
    Integra is alive and well and moved upscale, thankyouverymuch.
    They must sell to installers only, I couldn't find a single store that carried them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMichael View Post
    How do you like the sound quality compared to your Outlaw?
    I'll tell you this, I'm getting a front soundstage like I never got from the Outlaw. That could be due to not having the levels set right before, but this Yamaha sounds as good or better than the Outlaw. Keep in mind that I use the Yamaha as a preamp and have a dedicated amp for my surround and center speakers, while the mains are self powered Paradigm Active 40's, so from an amp standpoint nothing really changed.

    And I think what really helped during setup was my Droid phone! I have an SPL meter app for it, so I ran the test tones and adjusted all the speakers (except the subwoofer) so that they all measured identical SPL levels. I'm going to re-do that though, because I had the phone on the table in front of me when I did it and I should have had it at ear level. I think that made me adjust the surrounds too loud since they would have been partially blocked by the couch at that height.

    But if you have a smartphone of some type, go get an SPL meter app!

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    I am thinking of getting the Yamaha Aventage RX-A2000 or RX-A3000 for my main system. My current AV receiver Yamaha RX-V995 is over ten years old is still sounding great by it lacks many of the current features.The RX-A1000 is great but I preferred the additional power of the higher models since I'm not sure if I am getting power amp.
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    Well I am glad to hear that people are having a good experience with Yamaha again. I sold them in the 90's and they were at the top of the receiver chain then and then they kind of lost their mojo but it is good to hear that they got it back.

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    Yamaha's have always been a contender. My first Yamaha receiver was the R8. I've since owned the RX-V2092, RX-V2095, M-65 Amp, MX-35 multi-channel amp, DSR-100 Pro Dolby Digital surround processor, ADP-1 AC3 converter, CLV-1000 Laserdisc. The receivers are workhorses and can drive a lower impedance than many receiver. They used the sonic characteristics of many famous venues as templates for their surround formats. I've never had a piece of Yamaha gear die on me.

    I don't think they are as musical as other high-end receivers such as the Denons, B&K and others, but definitely hold their own. I still have my RX-V2095, MX-35, M-65 and ADP-1. The RX-V2092 and Laserdisc was sold some time ago. I'm not surprised their receivers would make a good pre-amp.

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    I been using Yamaha receivers for a long time. My other HT systems in the house is another Yamaha and a Onkyo AV receiver. The Aventage has gotten great reviews from other forums. I suspect I will incorporate a 2 channel power amp with the Aventage.

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    Yamaha has seemed to always be on top of the pre-pro side of their receivers. It has been their amps that have been in question. Some years they have been very well made, but some years they have been weak. If someone is going to just use it just as a pre-pro and add amps, then they should end up very happy campers.

    My speakers are pretty easy to drive, and my RX-V2500 has more power than I need to drive them. It was a very years after my model came out, that they went back to skimping on the amp section.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMichael View Post
    Yamaha has seemed to always be on top of the pre-pro side of their receivers. It has been their amps that have been in question. Some years they have been very well made, but some years they have been weak. If someone is going to just use it just as a pre-pro and add amps, then they should end up very happy campers.

    My speakers are pretty easy to drive, and my RX-V2500 has more power than I need to drive them. It was a very years after my model came out, that they went back to skimping on the amp section.
    Glad to hear this as i'm 50/50 in the market for a new receiver. I have an outboard amp so i just need HDMI and the processor side of things. I'm looking at the V667 model or a refurbed Marantz SR5004.
    Can you give us an update on your opinion of this AVR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarheel_ View Post
    Glad to hear this as i'm 50/50 in the market for a new receiver. I have an outboard amp so i just need HDMI and the processor side of things. I'm looking at the V667 model or a refurbed Marantz SR5004.
    Can you give us an update on your opinion of this AVR?
    Tarheel, if you like, you could trans over to (A4Less) they have a bunch of factory refresh receivers they're authorized refurbish dealers for Onkyo,Marantz and a bunch of other manufactures, the SR5004 is the older model the SR5005 is new... they just added, Cambridge Azur 540R and 640R series to their list also

    prices are substantially less over there good luck.http://www.accessories4less.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarheel_ View Post
    Glad to hear this as i'm 50/50 in the market for a new receiver. I have an outboard amp so i just need HDMI and the processor side of things. I'm looking at the V667 model or a refurbed Marantz SR5004.
    Can you give us an update on your opinion of this AVR?
    I understand that the Marantz have better amp sections. But if you have an outboard amp, that's a non-factor. A4less does have some great prices. I see a lot of refurb Marantz on their site. I don't know if that means that a lot of them need refurbing, but it does make me wonder.
    With the outbound amp, all you really need is to make sure that the Yammy has all the options you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMichael View Post
    I understand that the Marantz have better amp sections. But if you have an outboard amp, that's a non-factor. A4less does have some great prices. I see a lot of refurb Marantz on their site. I don't know if that means that a lot of them need refurbing, but it does make me wonder.
    With the outbound amp, all you really need is to make sure that the Yammy has all the options you want.
    NOT really.
    YOU NEED a decent qc. ONE of the things you need to do with every receiver and preamp is to put on phones, play something over an input, and switch to another input that is empty, and
    TURN THAT SUCKER UP. All the way.
    If you very faintly hear the other input, that crosstalk, which means sloppy construction , design, or both.
    NOT AS MUCH of a problem as it used to be, but its why I don't buy YAMMY anymore.
    IF you hear dead quite you are golden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis View Post
    NOT really.
    YOU NEED a decent qc. ONE of the things you need to do with every receiver and preamp is to put on phones, play something over an input, and switch to another input that is empty, and
    TURN THAT SUCKER UP. All the way.
    If you very faintly hear the other input, that crosstalk, which means sloppy construction , design, or both.
    NOT AS MUCH of a problem as it used to be, but its why I don't buy YAMMY anymore.
    IF you hear dead quite you are golden.
    Every Yamaha I've ever owned (except my 360 enduro) was dead silent. That's why I won't hesitate to tell anyone to go that way.
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    I used to sell Yamaha and have never heard the crosstalk issues that some are talking about and have always had the best of reliability with their receivers and other products. I will agree with some posters here that the preamp section seems to be stronger than the amp section in all but the highest end models but I have only used the amp section in mine a couple of times to compare to the outboard amps that I am feeding with them but when I ran them in the shop they were great with all but the more demanding of speakers when it came to dynamics and that is why I myself have always run outboard power amps with my system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harley .guy07 View Post
    I used to sell Yamaha and have never heard the crosstalk issues that some are talking about and have always had the best of reliability with their receivers and other products. I will agree with some posters here that the preamp section seems to be stronger than the amp section in all but the highest end models but I have only used the amp section in mine a couple of times to compare to the outboard amps that I am feeding with them but when I ran them in the shop they were great with all but the more demanding of speakers when it came to dynamics and that is why I myself have always run outboard power amps with my system.
    OKAY, there's a new invention, called the PERIOD, try it or
    lay off the crack, whatever.
    THE CROSSTALK occurred several years ago, true, but for
    such a thing to occur at all in what is supposed to be a
    quality brand just shook me, is all, and there were several other QC problems, it was easily the worst receiver I HAVE EVER BOUGHT in terms of QC, Things like the digital board, shutting off
    at odd intervals, etc.
    My first receiver of a serious sort was a YAMAHA, loved it, but
    nostalgia is no good when you are sitting there with
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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis View Post
    OKAY, there's a new invention, called the PERIOD, try it or
    lay off the crack, whatever.
    THE CROSSTALK occurred several years ago, true.
    You're talking BS and you know it.

    We have a Yammie RX-V1300, which is a few years old now too, dead quiet.
    I had a Yammie RXV-something, it wasn't top of the line, or anywhere near it. Dead quiet.

    True, their amp sections are their weak part, but their last series are definitely a BIG step up.

    My denon integrated, however, does have a very very very slight crosstalk.

    BTW: I'm repairing a Yamaha CR-2020 at this moment, and while it's a typical japanese receiver (lots and lots of parts), it is extremely well built, and I'm definitely looking forward to using it.
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