Using non-HDMI receiver with HDMI Projector and Blu-Ray

[Mr Peabody]

Tarheel, the MC analog is more conversions but it is far better to be able to control the input signal the way your HK does than to rely on very basic adjustments provided by BDP's. That's a good thing HK provided.

[kevlarus]

Since i'm sending the newer audio formats from blu-ray to my AVR via analog 7.1 outs..does this mean 1 less conversion? I'm not good at this stuff.

Sending analog from the blu player to the receiver, the receiver should not do anything other than volume to the speakers. It's already analog so it shouldn't need to convert it to anything, since that would defeat the purpose of analog in. If you check the receiver manual, it should say that if you use these 7.1 ins, you don't get to apply any "surroung effects" etc. on the signals.

[pixelthis]

Sending analog from the blu player to the receiver, the receiver should not do anything other than volume to the speakers. It's already analog so it shouldn't need to convert it to anything, since that would defeat the purpose of analog in. If you check the receiver manual, it should say that if you use these 7.1 ins, you don't get to apply any "surroung effects" etc. on the signals.

Thats probably so in most cases, although some receivers send everything
through the digital board.
Why? The digital board is the only way to get a signal to the amp, it controls switching,
etc.
But even if thats the case, the effect should be minimal.

[kevlarus]

Thats probably so in most cases, although some receivers send everything
through the digital board.
Why? The digital board is the only way to get a signal to the amp, it controls switching,
etc.
But even if thats the case, the effect should be minimal.

Didn't realize some receivers did that. For mine, I found this tidbit...

multichannel sources that you can set to bypass all digital conversion and processing

I automatically figured the 7.1 MC would bypass any conversion. Apparently not.. or at least, depends on what you're using.

[Mr Peabody]

kevlarus, you may have missed a post. You are correct that MC analog typically bypasses the processing portion of a receiver because as you say it's already analog and decoded. However, the HK receiver being used by the OP will take the MC analog and convert it back to digital in order to apply speaker setting (ie delay, volume, bass management). This is actually a good thing because most Blu-ray players are weak in set up options. The down side would be the extra conversions but it's the lesser of two evils in this situation. If I remember correctly I think the feature can be turned off if wanting a direct analog feed.

[Tarheel_]

If I remember correctly I think the feature can be turned off if wanting a direct analog feed.

You are correct sir...here is the portion of the manual...glad i have these features.

The 8 CH DIRECT INPUT should
be used when an input is connected to all eight
8-Channel Direct Inputs and when the
input source device has its own internal bass
management system. This input passes the input
from the source directly through to the volume
control without any analog to digital conversion
and it mutes the unused input jacks to prevent
unwanted noise from interfering with system
performance.

more from the manual:
6-Channel/8-Channel Direct Input
• There are four input choices available for use with
sources such as a DVD-Audio or SACD player that are
connected to the 8-Channel Direct Inputs .
Select the appropriate input according to the way your
system and source equipment is configured:

So, in my case, i want to use the 8 channel where i can apply settings and bass filtering. Nice. Learn something everyday

[kevlarus]

You are correct sir...here is the portion of the manual...glad i have these features.

The 8 CH DIRECT INPUT should
be used when an input is connected to all eight
8-Channel Direct Inputs and when the
input source device has its own internal bass
management system. This input passes the input
from the source directly through to the volume
control without any analog to digital conversion
and it mutes the unused input jacks to prevent
unwanted noise from interfering with system
performance.

more from the manual:
6-Channel/8-Channel Direct Input
• There are four input choices available for use with
sources such as a DVD-Audio or SACD player that are
connected to the 8-Channel Direct Inputs .
Select the appropriate input according to the way your
system and source equipment is configured:

So, in my case, i want to use the 8 channel where i can apply settings and bass filtering. Nice. Learn something everyday

Are you using a powered subwoofer and if so, do you have any control over what it does with the signal ?

ie, volume (dB level), crossover etc on the subwoofer itself as apposed to this being performed by the receiver ?

Mr. P is right, I did miss/forget the subject by the OP. Sometimes I get lost in the bog created by Sir and pixelization.

[Tarheel_]

Are you using a powered subwoofer and if so, do you have any control over what it does with the signal ?

ie, volume (dB level), crossover etc on the subwoofer itself as apposed to this being performed by the receiver ?

Mr. P is right, I did miss/forget the subject by the OP. Sometimes I get lost in the bog created by Sir and pixelization.

Yes, I have a powered 15" sub and the HK allows +/- db settings and crossover points for each input.

[pinto79]

I run my BDP, HD Cable box and DV-DVD player directly to to screen and then use the TV's analog audio output to feed audio to my older (As in not even component connectors) receiver. It's works flawlessly with the exception of a couple of standard DVDs that become un-sync'd if I play them with the HD-DVD player. The BDP has no such issue.

I have a feeling the HD player needs a software update, but good luck with that eh?

[pixelthis]

I run my BDP, HD Cable box and DV-DVD player directly to to screen and then use the TV's analog audio output to feed audio to my older (As in not even component connectors) receiver. It's works flawlessly with the exception of a couple of standard DVDs that become un-sync'd if I play them with the HD-DVD player. The BDP has no such issue.

I have a feeling the HD player needs a software update, but good luck with that eh?

NOT an optimum setup.
The analog audio out on your TV is sucky at best, and its another stage that will degrade the sound.
Dont know if your receiver has digital processing, but if it does that is where you need to send the audio of each of your components.
If it doesnt have digital processing...CONGRADULATIONS!
You have an exelent excuse for a new one, you can get one for 200 to 300 on the cheap, and it might even have some video switching.
When its time to upgrade, its time.

[Mr Peabody]

Pinto79, you are just running a two channel system?

[bobsticks]

Yes, I have a powered 15" sub and the HK allows +/- db settings and crossover points for each input.

Are you running a Servo 15? I'm running one and it's a great unit...

[pinto79]

Pinto79, you are just running a two channel system?

I am. I don't have space to mount additional speakers in my small suite.

[pinto79]

NOT an optimum setup.
The analog audio out on your TV is sucky at best, and its another stage that will degrade the sound.
Dont know if your receiver has digital processing, but if it does that is where you need to send the audio of each of your components.
If it doesnt have digital processing...CONGRADULATIONS!
You have an exelent excuse for a new one, you can get one for 200 to 300 on the cheap, and it might even have some video switching.
When its time to upgrade, its time.

I totally realize that it's not the most ideal situation. I was working with a small budget that didn't allow for a new receiver for the time being. This receiver is almost 10 years old and doesn't have any digital connections, as it wasn't worth the extra cash when I got it.

The wife and I would like to move out of the tiny basement suite we have into something larger. When that happens I'm planning a new receiver and surround speakers/sub. At that time this Denon will be returned to music duties where it seems to be its most happiest.

[pixelthis]

I totally realize that it's not the most ideal situation. I was working with a small budget that didn't allow for a new receiver for the time being. This receiver is almost 10 years old and doesn't have any digital connections, as it wasn't worth the extra cash when I got it.

The wife and I would like to move out of the tiny basement suite we have into something larger. When that happens I'm planning a new receiver and surround speakers/sub. At that time this Denon will be returned to music duties where it seems to be its most happiest.

You do what you can with what you have.
Waiting is the right thing to do, a new receiver would only cost 200 to three hundred
dollars, but if you're going to upgrade in the near future, waiting for a bigger fish is
the prudent thing to do.