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Which Receiver?
Denon AVR-1609 or Yamaha RX-V665?
The Denon seems like a much better value and more money in my pocket is definitely a good thing. Let's see what you guys think.
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Originally Posted by BallinWithNash
Denon AVR-1609 or Yamaha RX-V665?
The Denon seems like a much better value and more money in my pocket is definitely a good thing. Let's see what you guys think.
The Denon is a waste of time.
It only has two HDMI INPUTS, which means you will run out fast.
But most importantly it lacks the new codecs, its feature set is obsolete, which means its a starter receiver, which you already have. A waste of time.
The yamaha is twice as expensive (499 at Vanns) but has teh latest codecs and
4 HDMI inputs, two more than the Denon.
The Denon is cheaper because you get a receiver from the past, my four year old receiver has everything it has.
Get the Yammy, at five hundred its a bargain.:1:
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Whoa, whoa, whoa!!!!
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Originally Posted by pixelthis
The Denon is a waste of time.
It only has two HDMI INPUTS, which means you will run out fast.
But most importantly it lacks the new codecs, its feature set is obsolete, which means its a starter receiver, which you already have. A waste of time.
The yamaha is twice as expensive (499 at Vanns) but has teh latest codecs and
4 HDMI inputs, two more than the Denon.
The Denon is cheaper because you get a receiver from the past, my four year old receiver has everything it has.
Get the Yammy, at five hundred its a bargain.:1:
WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH OUR PIXIE?
LOL, good informative poste mate.
Da Worfster
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Originally Posted by pixelthis
The Denon is a waste of time.
It only has two HDMI INPUTS, which means you will run out fast.
But most importantly it lacks the new codecs, its feature set is obsolete, which means its a starter receiver, which you already have. A waste of time.
The yamaha is twice as expensive (499 at Vanns) but has teh latest codecs and
4 HDMI inputs, two more than the Denon.
The Denon is cheaper because you get a receiver from the past, my four year old receiver has everything it has.
Get the Yammy, at five hundred its a bargain.:1:
Ok, i have found a Denon AVR-1709 for $217 ... it has more HDMI inputs ... is this price to good to be true? should i still go with the Yamaha?
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I would buy this Onkyo TX SR606. It will beat the hell out of the Denon and Yammy and its a steal at this sale price of $349.
[url]http://shop2.frys.com/product/5586420[/url
Here's another link http://www.hookedontronics.com/show_product_details.jsp?cid=59223&c=0905Froogle&b =Onkyo_TX-SR606+Black
http://itemlistings.ebay.com/sdcsrp?fl=280350346451&product=Onkyo%20TX-SR606&sconstraints=PriceMin.Value%3D303%26PriceMax .Value%3D599
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WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH OUR PIXIE?
LOL, good informative poste mate.
Da Worfster
Thanks.
A lot of "newbies" breeze through here with the same question, which receiver,
and we're supposed to pick one outta every receiver in the world.
This guy has narrowed it down to two, for some reason he likes these.
And for the extra money the Yammy has the Denon beat.
And this is teh real pixie, my DR Jeckyl juice is on backorder.:1:
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Originally Posted by pixelthis
Thanks.
A lot of "newbies" breeze through here with the same question, which receiver,
and we're supposed to pick one outta every receiver in the world.
This guy has narrowed it down to two, for some reason he likes these.
And for the extra money the Yammy has the Denon beat.
And this is teh real pixie, my DR Jeckyl juice is on backorder.:1:
First, I love Denon they have some of the most reliable receivers I have ever used and the Yamaha seemed like a good price ... Call me a newbie ... but i dont really care because my system makes yours look like child's play haha
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Originally Posted by BallinWithNash
First, I love Denon they have some of the most reliable receivers I have ever used and the Yamaha seemed like a good price ... Call me a newbie ... but i dont really care because my system makes yours look like child's play haha
What do you have that makes anyone here's system look like child's play? I'm not seeing it.
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First, I love Denon they have some of the most reliable receivers I have ever used and the Yamaha seemed like a good price ... Call me a newbie ... but i dont really care because my system makes yours look like child's play haha
A 32" veiwsonic is supposed to impress me? My set is 42" 1080p.
And the rest of your stuff is either low rent or old
Pyle? PYLE? JBL??POLK?
Spare me, please, I don't need JECKYL JUICE to tear into those salvation army rejects
of yours.
My receiver was 1200 bucks four years ago, its about the tenth one I have owned.
I guess you have never heard of Integra, that is why I am giving you advice.
And every Denon I have had has cut off the highs.
Even the one I bought in the mid eighties, their top of the line (two channel, no HT yet)
The equivalent of 1500 or so today, and it too cut off the highs.
Of course with the speakers you have you will hardly notice.:1:
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the speakers I have JBL Studio Monitors that is the cleanest speaker you will ever hear music come out of and both of my Crown amps kick any of yours ass and my marantz please you should give up and what your velodyne sub vs. my two 15" Pyle's each powered by over 550W ... just stop talking ... and my two polks kick the ass out of your rears
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This reminds me of that segment on SNL Weekend Update where Seth and Amy say...
Really!?!
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How did this thread devolve into a "dac" measuring contest?
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Originally Posted by BallinWithNash
the speakers I have JBL Studio Monitors that is the cleanest speaker you will ever hear music come out of and both of my Crown amps kick any of yours ass and my marantz please you should give up and what your velodyne sub vs. my two 15" Pyle's each powered by over 550W ... just stop talking ... and my two polks kick the ass out of your rears
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Someone needs to listen to some "real" gear. Havin' lots of mediocre gear doesn't make it hi-end.
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Originally Posted by BadAssJazz
How did this thread devolve into a "dac" measuring contest?
that guy called me a newbie and pretty much said my stuff is like **** that is pretty much how it started and BadAss im very jealous of your onkyo receiver.
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Originally Posted by Luvin Da Blues
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Someone needs to listen to some "real" gear. Havin' lots of mediocre gear doesn't make it hi-end.
Those JBL Studio Monitors mediocre ... you must be kidding me?
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I just added my gear to my signature.
Can I play too?
http://forums.audioreview.com/attach...9&d=1241362285
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yes join the fun ... because it really is just to what sounds good to your ear ... but c'mon its fun arguing about it
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Originally Posted by BallinWithNash
yes join the fun ... because it really is just to what sounds good to your ear ... but c'mon its fun arguing about it
I may not fit in, some of my gear is actually considered High End.
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Originally Posted by Hyfi
I may not fit in, some of my gear is actually considered High End.
I have never even heard of some of those brands what is it cheap Japanese ****?
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Originally Posted by BallinWithNash
I have never even heard of some of those brands what is it cheap Japanese ****?
WOW!!!!!
How to win friends and influence people. What an arrogant little Pr**k.
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Originally Posted by Luvin Da Blues
WOW!!!!!
How to win friends and influence people. What an arrogant little Pr**k.
Listen im not here to make friends he dissed my system so i told him what I thought of his
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Originally Posted by BadAssJazz
How did this thread devolve into a "dac" measuring contest?
I don't even have a dac, but that's another story.
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I think it's time to grab the popcorn and get comfy.
Nash18posts vs. Pix caught my eye, but that was only the intro, I think....
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FWIW, I saw the equivalent to the Denon AVR-1609 selling for $170 at Costco yesterday.
It's on closeout, but it lacks audio support for DTS-HD, Dolby TrueHD, and multichannel PCM via HDMI. Not exactly a good unit for moving forward if you ever plan on upgrading to Blu-ray, which supports all those formats. Same thing goes for the AVR-1709. There's a reason why those receivers have been so drastically marked down.
If you're deadset on Denon, the AVR-1610 is now out and it includes support for the high res audio formats. But, your price will probably be closer to the $380 list price than under $200.
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Originally Posted by BallinWithNash
Listen im not here to make friends he dissed my system so i told him what I thought of his
BFD :out:
Calling Hafler, Von Schweikert, and Dynaudio gear "cheap Japanese ****" ain't the outcome of "thought" ...
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I have never even heard of some of those brands what is it cheap Japanese ****?
First of all, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were joking. Unless of course you think Best Buy sells High End gear. If that is the case, here is a lesson for you.
VAC=Valve Amplification Company
The CLA-1 was a Reference Pre-Amp
oh, Made in USA
Counterpoint
NPS-400 is one of the first Hybrid Amplifiers
Oh yeah, Made in USA
Odyssey Audio
Modded Stratus rivals many larger name Solid State Amps. Best $1200 you can spend
Duh'Oh, Made in USA
Sound Valves
Valves=Tubes
another one Made in USA
Synergistic Research
Hey, look at that, Made in USA and each pair of cables cost more than some of your components
David Hafler
Originally from Pensauken New Jersey
One of the innovators of DIY audio along with Heathkit and Dynaco
Bought out by Rockford then Harmon Internatinal
Originally Made in USA and was entry level gear when I bought it new.
Clearfield Speakers
Designed by Albert Von Schweikert when he worked at Counterpoint
His speakers sell from about $15k to $180k
Guess what? Made in USA
Dynaudio
Some of the best speakers in the world, right up there with Logitech
Real close to Japan but
Made in Denmark
JM Labs
Focal drivers used in many other speakers as are Dynaudio drivers
Polly vu a humma humma
Made in France - can't get this discontinued baby anymore
Now for my eese of some form cr@p
Sony yep
Denon yep
HK sure
Rotel oh well it's good eese gear
and
Mirage ah nope Canadian company
Oh, and I even have a DAC made by Audio Alchemy and sheesh....Made in USA!!!
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Originally Posted by BallinWithNash
Listen im not here to make friends he dissed my system so i told him what I thought of his
Now bozo, it was Pixle that dissed your system, I merely added my gear to my signature today and asked if I could play "Who's is bigger?"
I never once, until now, tried to insult your gear!
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Originally Posted by Hyfi
First of all, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were joking. Unless of course you think Best Buy sells High End gear. If that is the case, here is a lesson for you.
VAC=Valve Amplification Company
The CLA-1 was a Reference Pre-Amp
oh, Made in USA
Counterpoint
NPS-400 is one of the first Hybrid Amplifiers
Oh yeah, Made in USA
Odyssey Audio
Modded Stratus rivals many larger name Solid State Amps. Best $1200 you can spend
Duh'Oh, Made in USA
Sound Valves
Valves=Tubes
another one Made in USA
Synergistic Research
Hey, look at that, Made in USA and each pair of cables cost more than some of your components
David Hafler
Originally from Pensauken New Jersey
One of the innovators of DIY audio along with Heathkit and Dynaco
Bought out by Rockford then Harmon Internatinal
Originally Made in USA and was entry level gear when I bought it new.
Clearfield Speakers
Designed by Albert Von Schweikert when he worked at Counterpoint
His speakers sell from about $15k to $180k
Guess what? Made in USA
Dynaudio
Some of the best speakers in the world, right up there with Logitech
Real close to Japan but
Made in Denmark
JM Labs
Focal drivers used in many other speakers as are Dynaudio drivers
Polly vu a humma humma
Made in France - can't get this discontinued baby anymore
Now for my eese of some form cr@p
Sony yep
Denon yep
HK sure
Rotel oh well it's good eese gear
and
Mirage ah nope Canadian company
Oh, and I even have a DAC made by Audio Alchemy and sheesh....Made in USA!!!
Now bozo, it was Pixle that dissed your system, I merely added my gear to my signature today and asked if I could play "Who's is bigger?"
I never once, until now, tried to insult your gear!
All right Hyfi i admit defeat to you ... you kicked my @@S ... ill come more prepared next time haha
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Originally Posted by BallinWithNash
All right Hyfi i admit defeat to you ... you kicked my @@S ... ill come more prepared next time haha
Welcome and good luck with whichever receiver you pick.
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Originally Posted by BallinWithNash
Listen im not here to make friends he dissed my system so i told him what I thought of his
I'm not here to take sides. But I believe in post number 7, you threw the first stone. Before that Pix was just giving you his opinion on the two receivers you had asked about. Don't take being called a "newbie" as an insult. It is just a point of fact. We were all newbies at one time or another. If you get the label of an "Audio Bully" nobody will want to play with you.
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Do i care what you believe? and Did i ask for your opinion? .... and i consider myself more then a newbie
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Originally Posted by BallinWithNash
Do i care what you believe? and Did i ask for your opinion? .... and i consider myself more then a newbie
As a matter of fact you did ask my opinion and everyone elses by stating your question. If you don't like the answers that's too bad. You came to this forum for advice, if we hurt your precious little feelings.............. Get over it.
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Originally Posted by BallinWithNash
Do i care what you believe? and Did i ask for your opinion? .... and i consider myself more then a newbie
Don't expect any further help from me and probably the rest of the folks here.
And by the way, both the Denon and Yamaha receivers are both Japanese CRAP! Why don't you look for some real gear to go with your High End JBLs? What a joke. If you didn't get it this time, I just dissed your gear.
Time to open mouth and insert other foot. See ya.
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alright ... i got my @ss kicked by everyone ... my bad ... sorry for my "jack@ssness"... i will appreciate any further help ... sorry and thanks
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Originally Posted by BallinWithNash
alright ... i got my @ss kicked by everyone ... my bad ... sorry for my "jack@ssness"... i will appreciate any further help ... sorry and thanks
Its alright to have crappy gear, just dont brag about it.
And some of your stuff is rather "decent".
The point is that I am broke and have around six grand of gear (why I am broke, probaby).
The pyles and jbls are like blunt force instruments, B&W and velodyne a little more precise.
The cheapest B&W kills any JBL, POLK, etc.:1:
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"why i am broke probably hahaha" .... to my opinion the two best pieces of gear to the ear i have are my Crown amp and my Polk RT35's ... i was very impresses with these cheap crappy little speakers ... and i want to eventually get Dynaudio or B&W's ... just not in the price range now :(
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Pixel on your B&W's did you Bi-Wire them? I have never personally tried bi-wiring but i have read that there isn't really that much of an advantage of doing it.
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Originally Posted by BallinWithNash
Pixel on your B&W's did you Bi-Wire them? I have never personally tried bi-wiring but i have read that there isn't really that much of an advantage of doing it.
A waste of time, really.
My first Denon HT type receiver was designed with that in mind, at that time I had just purchased my first Beemers, 305s2 floorstanders.
AT least I couldnt tell any diff, but the Brits are very up on this.
All it does is bypass your xover, if you have a crappy xover (or a broken one) it might make a difference:1:
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Ok, thank you. And yes my Denon is designed for that but im not using it and was just wondering if you were ... thanks again
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Originally Posted by pixelthis
A waste of time, really.
Not a waste of time if done properly. You shouldn't biwire with a receiver anyway, that is the waste. If your going to do it, you use a pre amp and two(2) amps, different amps. You run the highs with an amp that excels in midrange and highs. You run the bottom end with an amp that compliments lows.
Using a biwire cable and the same receiver/amp on the other end is useless since your sending the same signal which the speaker does not care if split or not, it's still just the same signal.
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Originally Posted by Hyfi
Not a waste of time if done properly. You shouldn't biwire with a receiver anyway, that is the waste. If your going to do it, you use a pre amp and two(2) amps, different amps. You run the highs with an amp that excels in midrange and highs. You run the bottom end with an amp that compliments lows.
What you're describing is not bi-wiring. It''s bi-amping, and it's best accomplished by using an active crossover between the preamp and the power amps.
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Originally Posted by Hyfi
Using a biwire cable and the same receiver/amp on the other end is useless since your sending the same signal which the speaker does not care if split or not, it's still just the same signal.
No argument there.
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