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The "Official" RX-V3800 Issues & Observations thread
Hopefully this thread won't run into the 10's of thousands of posts like the ones on the AVS forums generally do. Too much info!
I moved the sofa and loveseat into the living room the other night so except for more acoustic panels to come, new drapes, and pictures and stuff like that on the walls it's now pretty close to the final layout. This obviously means that I'll be running the room EQ again, that's why I mentioned this.
The meat of the subject...
I have my DVD changer's Component Out connected to the receiver's Component In, and the DVR's HDMI out connected to HDMI In 1 at the receiver. It's HDMI Out is connected to HDMI In 1 at the TV. The DVD's Coax Audio Out is connected to Coax In DVD at the receiver.
The first problem I had, then solved was that I wasn't getting video out from the DVD while trying to watch Pink Floyd's Pulse concert. Audio was there (sort of but I'll get to that later), and after a lot of guessing, which included routing and rerouting of the video feed through the receiver but still getting no where, I decided to check the DVD connections. The green plug was pulled out at the receiver end. :rolleyes: The cable I'm using isn't the greatest from a quality standpoint, but it's the right length. I have an Acoustic Research cable but it's too long (10' I think). The benefit of this exercise was that I learned some things by trial-and-error about how the HDMI switching works from the setup menu screens. An issue exists though at the TV, where even though I have the PVR & DVD connected and output over one HDMI into the TV, the on-screen information shows DVR only. I guess the only thing to do in this case is to re-label that input to something generic like HDMI.
So while watching the concert it seemed as though the picture's color was washed out. I wasn't real happy with the PQ. Even the DVD wallpaper that's up when there's no disk inserted but the unit is powered on looked bad. Different shades of blue over the entire screen and text characters, even though they were formed correctly, weren't sharp, so I can't blame the DVD itself. I made adjustments at both the DVD player and the receiver, including changing the DVD output to 480i then back to 480p, and changing the receiver's output to 1080p (which was verified by checking the Info at the TV), but nothing changed. I'm going to reconnect the DVD directly to the TV and try again as well as trying a more up-to-date (from a PQ standpoint) DVD movie and check the results.
Audio output wasn't any better. Imaging was pretty much non-existent, and even when I manually cranked up the center channel's volume to about twice that of the front left & right, I could barely make out the vocals. I went into the YPAO's results screen and noticed some glaring inaccuracies. The speaker distance numbers were way off, showing front left, center and right as 1', one rear speaker at 1' and the other one at 8'. Volume at all but the subwoofer was set to 0, and all speaker sizes were set to large. Yes, I WILL run it again ASAP. Room acoustics have changed so all the more reason...
Life gets more and more complicated every day, but in this case it's a fun problem to have... right? :idea:
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so the upconverting from component to HDMI is crap? is that what you're saying?
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I don't think that's what I'm saying.
Actually what I think I'll do instead of reconnecting the DVD's Component Out directly to the TV, I'll connect the Component Monitor Out from the receiver to the TV. It'll take upscaling out of the equation but still keep some video processing occuring at the receiver.
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Why not go directly to your display?
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Well, I wanted to be able to take advantage of the upscaler. 480i converted to 1080p is a good thing isn't it?
Or are you talking about my experiment?:confused5:
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Didn't you say you were having issues running the video through your Yammie?
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Yes. Into the yammie via component and out via HDMI...
Are you just messin' with me or do I need to edit my opening post? :confused5:
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I did all of the usual cable troubleshooting and then just went right to the TV from the DVD player. I put Batman in, watched it for a while then reconnected the cable as it was before and the picture was the same. Actually I really don't think there's anything wrong or deficient with the PQ but instead it may be another case of unjust expectations on my part. I was able to go through all of the receivers resolutions from 480p to 1080p and verify it with the TV's info stats so I think I'll leave well enough alone. The component cable I mentioned doesn't have a firm connection so I may replace it or plug in the 10' AR cable.
I think I'm catching the Blu-ray Blues...
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Hdmi ?
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
I don't think that's what I'm saying.
Actually what I think I'll do instead of reconnecting the DVD's Component Out directly to the TV, I'll connect the Component Monitor Out from the receiver to the TV. It'll take upscaling out of the equation but still keep some video processing occuring at the receiver.
Hey Rich, I've read many of your posts. I'm new in HDMI, switching, upscaling, etc. I know that component cables can hold up to 1080i HD video. I would think that your new 3800 would upscale to 1080i thru component out or does it only upscale to HDMI output? I guess what I'm wondering/saying is maybe upscaling is not out of the equation. I'm very interested in your posts on this stuff. HDMI is great when it is working. I have HDMI out on my cable DVR but it won't work when connected to my 92TXH receiver. I had to go component out to component in on my receiver. Works fine and is 1080i. Irritating that HDMI doesn't work all the time.
My PS3 is connected to HDMI in on my 92TXH and it seems to do pretty well outing the video to my TV and audio to my speakers except that about 35% of the time when I want to use the PS3 for games or BD it says "NOT SUPPORTED" on my receiver's display (signal does'nt pass or something) you can even here it switch signal off. I then have to turn receiver off then on and everything is fine. What is that all about hmmmm?
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I auditioned the 91 and ran into HDMI issues as well. Complete drops in picture in sound for a sec or two and then it would pop back on.
There should be no issues. If set to bitstream, your Elite would get a standard DD or DTS signal while playing BR. If set to PCM, then your Elite would just be getting a MC PCM signal via HDMI and should be able to handle that as well.
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
I did all of the usual cable troubleshooting and then just went right to the TV from the DVD player. I put Batman in, watched it for a while then reconnected the cable as it was before and the picture was the same. Actually I really don't think there's anything wrong or deficient with the PQ but instead it may be another case of unjust expectations on my part. I was able to go through all of the receivers resolutions from 480p to 1080p and verify it with the TV's info stats so I think I'll leave well enough alone. The component cable I mentioned doesn't have a firm connection so I may replace it or plug in the 10' AR cable.
I think I'm catching the Blu-ray Blues...
So your saying the scaling to 1080p didn't produce any miracles :lol:
But I thought it should be near HD :lol: :lol:
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Originally Posted by L.J.
NO!!! :mad5:
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Originally Posted by captjamo
Hey Rich, I've read many of your posts. I'm new in HDMI, switching, upscaling, etc. I know that component cables can hold up to 1080i HD video. I would think that your new 3800 would upscale to 1080i thru component out or does it only upscale to HDMI output?
I don't think so. Component video signals at 480i are converted into S-Video or Composite and output at the S-Video Monitor Out & Composite Monitor out. Also, my receiver doesn't upscale Component video @ 720p or 1080i resolution. I also read indications that Component can handle 1080p resolution.
That's the best answer I can give you right now Captjamo. I should have checked that while I had component monitor out connected to my TV but I didn't.
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Originally Posted by captjamo
I guess what I'm wondering/saying is maybe upscaling is not out of the equation. I'm very interested in your posts on this stuff. HDMI is great when it is working. I have HDMI out on my cable DVR but it won't work when connected to my 92TXH receiver. I had to go component out to component in on my receiver. Works fine and is 1080i. Irritating that HDMI doesn't work all the time.
I also have my FIOS DVR connected via HDMI In & Out, but I have no problems there. It doesn't convert the 1080i input to 1080p output which would concur with the Component characteristics mentioned above, and it does take a second or two to train up, but I blame that on the HDMI design mess (think corporate greed here).
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Originally Posted by Captjamo
My PS3 is connected to HDMI in on my 92TXH and it seems to do pretty well outing the video to my TV and audio to my speakers except that about 35% of the time when I want to use the PS3 for games or BD it says "NOT SUPPORTED" on my receiver's display (signal does'nt pass or something) you can even here it switch signal off. I then have to turn receiver off then on and everything is fine. What is that all about hmmmm?
Sorry, no PS3 here and no plans to own one. My video games look awesome here on my desktop PC. :biggrin5:
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
Sorry, no PS3 here and no plans to own one. My video games look awesome here on my desktop PC. :biggrin5:
But are they on a big screen with audio going through your main system?
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ok so nothing really wrong then, that's a plus
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
NO!!! :mad5:
Well there is no law that says you have to use the PS3 for gaming. It's a great player.
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Originally Posted by L.J.
Well there is no law that says you have to use the PS3 for gaming. It's a great player.
true enough, i've had mine since launch and i've used it to play 3 games (no lie), but i use it all the time for DVDs and BRs
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Originally Posted by GMichael
But are they on a big screen with audio going through your main system?
If my computer was on wheels, I could wheel it right out to the TV and connect via DVI and run coax to an in at the receiver.
I've got a 22" widescreen and a 5.1 surround speaker set which suits me just fine. Besides, I'm pretty much all thumbs... oh... wait a minute, that's a big plus on console systems.
Never mind! :incazzato:
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
If my computer was on wheels, I could wheel it right out to the TV and connect via DVI and run coax to an in at the receiver.
I've got a 22" widescreen and a 5.1 surround speaker set which suits me just fine. Besides, I'm pretty much all thumbs... oh... wait a minute, that's a big plus on console systems.
Never mind! :incazzato:
My PS3 has a wireless connection. I could play PC games through it. But wouldn't that be a form of blasphemy?:blush2: :yikes: :prrr:
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I could buy a wireless keyboard and play games at the kitchen table.:prrr:
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
I could buy a wireless keyboard and play games at the kitchen table.:prrr:
I like surfing & playing from my recliner. Blu-tooth is great.
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If I had a big mirror I could put it up on the wall in the living room and blast away at Doom3 goons while in the bathroom taking a... :biggrin5:
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
If I had a big mirror I could put it up on the wall in the living room and blast away at Doom3 goons while in the bathroom taking a... :biggrin5:
Wouldn't you need two mirrors? Or can you switch to pulling left to go right while grunting?
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Wouldn't you need two mirrors? Or can you switch to pulling left to go right while grunting?
I don't use a joystick.
My hand-eye coordination is impecable even in reverse, and my brain-sphincter muscle communication knows no distraction!
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Rich, I think you mentioned before you would rather have a SA BR player vs PS3. Why?
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Rich, I think you mentioned before you would rather have a SA BR player vs PS3. Why?
I think he's just anti-PS3.
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I think he's just anti-PS3.
That too. :10:
I'd just prefer a player that sits comfortably in my audio cabinet, is feature rich and can be controlled by my remote. There's no place on the floor or in the TV stand where a PS3 would fit. The back wall where I've moved everything is now full. Wooch mentioned that the newer players are (Iforget what he called it...) up to the BDA's latest standards, and since I won't be ready until the fall timeframe anyway there should be reasonably priced SA players by then.
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
That too. :10:
I'd just prefer a player that sits comfortably in my audio cabinet, is feature rich and can be controlled by my remote. There's no place on the floor or in the TV stand where a PS3 would fit. The back wall where I've moved everything is now full. Wooch mentioned that the newer players are (Iforget what he called it...) up to the BDA's latest standards, and since I won't be ready until the fall timeframe anyway there should be reasonably priced SA players by then.
I don't know...I guess I see the PS3 as such a great machine I expect others to as well. I get plenty of use beyond BR/DVD/SACD/CD playback. Streaming music ripped in flac, having my entire photo/video albums just a click away. Surfing the web when I'm too lazy to get off the couch. And lastly, I enjoy a game of Madden or something with my kid sometimes. I mostly do sport games, not really into the FPS stuff.
Now don't get me started on BR playback which is absolutely freakin' fantastic :biggrin5:
Gonna be hard to beat for the price.
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I had the day off today so I got back to speaker placement. I lined them up equadistant then ran the room EQ again. It never seems to work right on the first pass, but the second time around was the charm. Polarity was correct and distances were accurate, which to me is most important. One thing that bothers me is the volume for the left front. It's at -1dB with the right front at 4dB. It may very well be due to the clock on the left wall ticking, as well as the TV fan/color wheel sound level working in concert (Pun!)to skew the results.
So now I'm working at trying to get music on my PC out over the network and to the receiver. Good news: The router sees the receiver (I can ping it from the router) and I was even able to rename it from within the router's s/w. Bad news: I can't ping it from my computer. I followed the instructions that Windows Media Player describes for sharing music files over the home network, but when I tried to enable file sharing to the device (receiver) WMP didn't list it. Classic MS complication (Like I said, I have a love/hate relationship with Windows :rolleyes: ) I turned off my firewall, turned on sharing of my music folder but no luck. No biggie for now though. I'll deal with that aggravation later on after a few Maragritas. :yesnod:
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Originally Posted by L.J.
Rich, I think you mentioned before you would rather have a SA BR player vs PS3. Why?
Because the PS3's appearance clashes with that of the IKEA pressedwood rollcart...hehehe
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That dolly has more usefulness than a PS3 buster, and it isn't pressed wood, it's Maple smarty pants.
HEY! What did you do with Pix? :mad:
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Easy there killer. Commawn now I'm just playin'. Remember you're typing at the guy who once published pictures of his TV perched on phone books. All in good fun, eh...
...and I don't know what happened to your Snuggy-Poo. Last I heard he slipped out of the electronic ankle teather thatcha had on 'im and was roaming the streets looking for Klipsch coupons.
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Easy there killer. Commawn now I'm just playin'. Remember you're typing at the guy who once published pictures of his TV perched on phone books. All in good fun, eh...
Of course. :smilewinkgrin: = Don't take R-n-T too seriously. That was for my bud L.J. :ihih:
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...and I don't know what happened to your Snuggy-Poo. Last I heard he slipped out of the electronic ankle teather thatcha had on 'im and was roaming the streets looking for Klipsch coupons.
Maybe this is a sign. Maybe it's a sign that Resident Loser is on his way back. :yesnod:
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
That dolly has more usefulness than a PS3 buster, and it isn't pressed wood, it's Maple smarty pants.
HEY! What did you do with Pix? :mad:
Been playing with a pair of two year old axiom m80s' that I snared.
Posting a thread in the speaker section.
Speaking of speakers, when ARE you gonna give up on YPAO and just use the friggin meter? I have NEVER seen this rube goldberg crap work.
As for "upconversion" you wont see any big improvement, if any.
And good luck with the router, does your receiver have a MAC number?
I can pull one up in the menu with mine but have never given it to the cable company.
And kudos on your PS3 comments.
A standalone is way more versatile, and the reason god gave us the PC IS games, net ,
and porn.
USING A GAMING CONSOLE for computer functions is like riding the rapids with a 10 speed bike:1:
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Which?
There should be no issues. If set to bitstream, your Elite would get a standard DD or DTS signal while playing BR. If set to PCM, then your Elite would just be getting a MC PCM signal via HDMI and should be able to handle that as well.[/QUOTE]
Hey L.J., Do you know how I would know I'm on bitstream? I have setting called "HDMI auto sense signal" or something like that. I can tell either the 92TXH or the PS3 is decoding DTS-HD though-it sounds great. Do I still get to use DSP modes? I confess I'm confused on which settings I should be using for Cable TV component connection vs PS3 HDMI.
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Originally Posted by pixelthis
Been playing with a pair of two year old axiom m80s' that I snared.
Posting a thread in the speaker section.
Speaking of speakers, when ARE you gonna give up on YPAO and just use the friggin meter? I have NEVER seen this rube goldberg crap work.
It gets me in the ballpark... most of the time. I'll further tweak with the meter soon.
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As for "upconversion" you wont see any big improvement, if any.
True, but movies now fill the entire screen. BTW, I rented Michael Clayton on VOD last night. Standard def PQ sucked. When will I be able to see VOD in HD?
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Originally Posted by pixelthis
And good luck with the router, does your receiver have a MAC number?
I can pull one up in the menu with mine but have never given it to the cable company.
Yes, I can see the MAC at the receiver's setup menu as well as at the router. The problem exists in the Windows networking system. I can ping it at my PC, but WMP still doesn't find it in the "Share Media" dialog. And of course XP's support topics aren't much help.
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And kudos on your PS3 comments.
Don't say that! L.J.'ll stop liking me if he thinks we agree! I have more remote setup questions to ask him. :biggrin5:
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Originally Posted by pixelthis
A standalone is way more versatile, and the reason god gave us the PC IS games, net ,
and porn.
USING A GAMING CONSOLE for computer functions is like riding the rapids with a 10 speed bike:1:
Y'all didn't hear that from me. :nonod:
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Originally Posted by captjamo
Hey L.J., Do you know how I would know I'm on bitstream? I have setting called "HDMI auto sense signal" or something like that. I can tell either the 92TXH or the PS3 is decoding DTS-HD though-it sounds great.
The auto sensing sets your resolution output to match your display but you have to go into the audio settings to set your PS3 to either bitstream or PCM. I leave my PS3 set to bitstream(you can leave it on PCM though) except when watching a BR with TrueHD and I'll explain why. The PS3 cannot bitstream any HD audio signals but it can bitstream standard DD & DTS signals like any DVD player can. My AVR does the decoding and I see either a "DD" or "DTS" displayed on my AVR. When watching a BR with a MC PCM track, the PS3 will automatically switch to PCM and play the uncompressed track and switch back to bitstream when your done. When watching a BR with PCM your AVR will display "MC PCM" or something similar to that.
Now when watching a BR with TrueHD, you have to go in and set audio output on the PS3 from bitstream to PCM. You can do this while the movie is playing though. Just hit triangle, go to audio settings and switch bitstream to PCM. Your AVR will display "MC PCM". Hitting display on your PS3 remote will show that the PS3 is decoding the TrueHD. This only has to be done with TrueHD. Why it doesn't switch over automatically like it does with PCM or SACD is beyond me. What was Sony thinking with that one. Word is this will be fixed with a firmware update eventually and the PS3 will switch over to PCM automatically for HD audio tracks.
There is no way to listen to DTSMA with the PS3 but that's gonna change soon. At the moment, when viewing a BR with DTSMA your only getting the "core" DTS 1.5 mbps track. Your AVR display should read "DTS".
Now that I've confused you even more, you can simply leave your PS3 set to PCM and it will decode everything and you will always see "MC PCM" displayed on your AVR.
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Do I still get to use DSP modes?
My Yammie can apply post processing to MC PCM signals via HDMI. I use my DSP's with my PS3 all the time. Not all AVR's will allow this though, but I think most current ones will.
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I confess I'm confused on which settings I should be using for Cable TV component connection vs PS3 HDMI.
Are you refering to the bitstream question here or something else?
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As usual, L.J. you're a pioneer and a teacher. Gracias.
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I need some tutoring on getting Windows Media Player to see my receiver. I can ping it and the right ports are open at the firewall, but still not seen. I wonder if WINAMP has the ability to share media over a network.
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