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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
I need some tutoring on getting Windows Media Player to see my receiver. I can ping it and the right ports are open at the firewall, but still not seen. I wonder if WINAMP has the ability to share media over a network.
What I was about to suggest.
I use AMP for playing my flac flies, the latest version has a really cool interface.
Dont know about a network but my winamp works fine with my USB drive, which has all of my media files.
I gave up on the network idea because my receiver only works with MP3 and wma.
An external soundcard or USB DA is much preferable to me at least.
THE receiver gets its stuff over a toslink , whether DD or PCM, etc.
I just click on something on AMP and go, sounds great
And if LJ thinks we "agree" that just means you're learning something.
NOW I HAVE TO GO RIDE MY BIKE...:1:
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I searched the entire RX-V1800/3800 thread on the AVS forums and as far as I could tell only one person there was having a problem similar to mine. His post count was two. He was never heard from again. Probably drowned in an ocean of text. I digress.
I got some suggestions from an engineer here at work that involves looking at the ports that are supposed to be opened to WMP so I'll sniff around there. I think Feanor or Mr. Peabody uses WINAMP so I'll get their take on it too. This ability to listen to the music that resides on my computer on my main unit was one of the selling points so I want to get this working ASAP. I don't own a flash drive... yet.
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
I searched the entire RX-V1800/3800 thread on the AVS forums and as far as I could tell only one person there was having a problem similar to mine. His post count was two. He was never heard from again. Probably drowned in an ocean of text. I digress.
Check the 2700 thread. There were tips there on getting connected. Are you using the latest version of WMP? I read that WINAMP will not work with the 2700. Only WMP or Windows Media Connect, which I believe is integrated into WMP11.
Have you tried to manually configure the settings on your Yammie? Reboot your router?
And as Pix said, I believe your limited to MP3 and WMA files...no flac.
I had no issues....up and running in a few minutes.
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
This ability to listen to the music that resides on my computer on my main unit was one of the selling points so I want to get this working ASAP. I don't own a flash drive... yet.
Nice feature but the interface sucks. Very limited in what you can do. I found the internet radio station OK, but didn't like that you couldn't see who the artist were. Another reason to get a PS3 if you ask me.
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Originally Posted by L.J.
Check the 2700 thread. There were tips there on getting connected. Are you using the latest version of WMP? I read that WINAMP will not work with the 2700. Only WMP or Windows Media Connect, which I believe is integrated into WMP11.
I'll look at the 2700 thread. Their thread search tool works fairly well. Yes, I'm running WMP11, and yes, Media Connect is integrated.
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Originally Posted by L.J.
Have you tried to manually configure the settings on your Yammie? Reboot your router?
I didn't manually set the IP & MAC addresses at the receiver because they were correct when I looked at the info screen as well as at the router s/w. I pinged it with it on; packets were transfered okay, and then when I turned the receiver off, I got packet transfer timeouts which is what I expected.
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Originally Posted by L.J.
And as Pix said, I believe your limited to MP3 and WMA files...no flac.
I had no issues....up and running in a few minutes.
I don't know anything about how to play flac and such on my computer; I assume a particular codec is needed?
My entire life is an issue! :(
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Originally Posted by L.J.
Nice feature but the interface sucks. Very limited in what you can do. I found the internet radio station OK, but didn't like that you couldn't see who the artist were. Another reason to get a PS3 if you ask me.
That's about the same thing they were saying on AVS. Again, it seems like it would be a nice convenience to have though.
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Originally Posted by L.J.
Another reason to get a PS3 if you ask me.
Does it come with popcorn? A LOT of popcorn?
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
Does it come with popcorn? A LOT of popcorn?
This will be available on the next firmware update :p
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:lol: What firmware rev is it up to? 100.100.10.10? :biggrin5:
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
:lol: What firmware rev is it up to? 100.100.10.10? :biggrin5:
HA very funny....it's up to 2.0. Sony has stated there will be less updates and they will focus more on large quarterly updates. Something about quality over quantity. My main 2 concerns, BR playback & flac streaming are covered so everything else is a bonus.
I was reading and it seems like alot of people were having issues with the networking. Yamaha released a firmware update for the 2700 to take care of the problem with WMP11.
Some reinstalled WMP to get things working. Someone found that Twonky media server would work(never heard of it).
Is your DHCP turned on? maybe you can clear the manual settings on the Yammie, turn the DHCP on, reinstall WMP11 and see if that works.
You can call Yamaha but I bet their gonna blame it on your firewall settings :nono:
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Originally Posted by L.J.
...I was reading and it seems like alot of people were having issues with the networking. Yamaha released a firmware update for the 2700 to take care of the problem with WMP11.
I would hope that update was incorporated into the 3800's as well.
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Originally Posted by L.J.
Some reinstalled WMP to get things working. Someone found that Twonky media server would work(never heard of it).
Yup, I reinstalled as well but no help. I've never heard of Twonky either, but I get a little squeamish when I see these cutesie named media servers and P2P groups. Just don't feel comfortable installing such s/w or communicating with them.
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Originally Posted by L.J.
Is your DHCP turned on? maybe you can clear the manual settings on the Yammie, turn the DHCP on, reinstall WMP11 and see if that works.
DHCP is on by default at the receiver, and it's always on at the PC. The fact that I can see it's IP address when it's on, but pinging it fails when it's off tells me it's not a network protocal issue. Feanor also gave me an idea in the thread I started in Computer Audio about using WINAMP. I'll bet your PS3 it's a Windows/WMP roadblock.
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Originally Posted by L.J.
You can call Yamaha but I bet their gonna blame it on your firewall settings :nono:
I'm sure they would. Maybe a call to MS is on the horizon. :eek6:
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here's some words of advice: windows networking sucks
i've tried several solutions for getting my mp3s to my stereo, external pc usb audio cards, streaming to my xbox60, streaming to my ps3 etc
i found that all of it sounded terrible.
in the end i wound up using an apple airport express with the optical output, it's nice cause it's wireless too. out of what i've tried i think it's had the best results.
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:o :o :o
All better now. :biggrin5:
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What did you do wrong? Your not getting off that easy :nono:
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Okay, well... uhhh... I uhhh, didn't go far enough into the receiver setup for Net/USB. :nonod: I didn't run the steps where I press the Display button on the remote to get me to the Top Net/USB menu, and then select the PC/MusiCAST sub input. When I selected it, it then showed my computer name. I came back to my PC and sure enough there was a callout box on my desktop telling me a device was trying to connect and did I want to run the Media Connect procedure. After I went through that I was then able to start working my way into the music folders on the hard drive. I guess there's more handshaking going on between the receiver and the PC than I thought.
After I discovered all that I went into the Internet Radio sub input and found some stations. Favorite among them is a Classic Rock station called "Pink Floyd Rock-o-Roma".
So the moral of the story is... RFD! AND, no need to sub to XM! :thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
Okay, well... uhhh... I uhhh, didn't go far enough into the receiver setup for Net/USB. :nonod: I didn't run the steps where I press the Display button on the remote to get me to the Top Net/USB menu, and then select the PC/MusiCAST sub input. When I selected it, it then showed my computer name. I came back to my PC and sure enough there was a callout box on my desktop telling me a device was trying to connect and did I want to run the Media Connect procedure. After I went through that I was then able to start working my way into the music folders on the hard drive. I guess there's more handshaking going on between the receiver and the PC than I thought.
After I discovered all that I went into the Internet Radio sub input and found some stations. Favorite among them is a Classic Rock station called "Pink Floyd Rock-o-Roma".
So the moral of the story is... RFD! AND, no need to sub to XM! :thumbsup:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Too funny. I think I did the same thing but figured it out in about 2 minutes :) Don't worry, I won't tell anyone :rolleyes:
OK, that was cheap shot :1:
So, isn't the remote just awful. Waaay to many dang buttons man. I assume it's similar to the 2700 remote. Good thing you gotta Harmony. I still you use the Yammie remote when making adjustments though.
Hmm...seems we're limited to only 10 smilies per post. I didn't know that.
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Originally Posted by f0rge
here's some words of advice: windows networking sucks
i've tried several solutions for getting my mp3s to my stereo, external pc usb audio cards, streaming to my xbox60, streaming to my ps3 etc
i found that all of it sounded terrible.
in the end i wound up using an apple airport express with the optical output, it's nice cause it's wireless too. out of what i've tried i think it's had the best results.
True.
TO ME WHY DO YOU NEED THE COMPLICATION?
Just get high q audio running out of your computer wth a toslink or rca coax and enjoy.
I CAN LISTEN TO internet radio, my entire CD collection, downloads, etc, and control it through my computer, and dont have to worry about virus's in my receiver
The best thing is two computers, and network the two together, put one in your system
as a server, and use your main as, well, your main:1:
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Originally Posted by L.J.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Too funny. I think I did the same thing but figured it out in about 2 minutes :) Don't worry, I won't tell anyone :rolleyes:
OK, that was cheap shot :1:
See how Pix has subliminally brainwashed us? Looks like some of us have been Assimilated!!! :yikes:
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Originally Posted by L.J.
So, isn't the remote just awful. Waaay to many dang buttons man. I assume it's similar to the 2700 remote. Good thing you gotta Harmony. I still you use the Yammie remote when making adjustments though.
I wonder how many times from here on out I'm going to forget to flip the switch from Amp to Source. :idea: Something I've been wanting to ask: to what depth of functionality do you give the 880 for your receiver? I can't imagine that every single function the receiver's remote has can be duplicated, so where exactly do you draw the line? Not including the essentially one-time use functions?
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Originally Posted by L.J.
Hmm...seems we're limited to only 10 smilies per post. I didn't know that.
Yeah. One time I wanted to fill up a response to resident bad-boy's post with smilies so the topic would take a rediculously loooooong time to open, but my attempt was thwarted by the site's s/w. :rolleyes: <== Had to delete wonna your lol's so's I could include that one. ;biggrin5;
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
See how Pix has subliminally brainwashed us? Looks like some of us have been Assimilated!!! :yikes:
I go out of my way to do that :1:
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Something I've been wanting to ask: to what depth of functionality do you give the 880 for your receiver? I can't imagine that every single function the receiver's remote has can be duplicated, so where exactly do you draw the line? Not including the essentially one-time use functions?
I have functions spreaded out over each activity. For example, under "watch a DVD" I have the movie dsp's, straight and a few others...... Under "listen to CD" I have the music dsp's, stereo, enhancer. Same goes for "watch Bluray" and so on. All AVR funtions are set on the obvious main buttons(menu,exit,mute) and the rest are set on the LCD buttons. I have most used ones set on the first page and rarely go into the 2nd.
Most functions are covered though. Go into "devices" and you'll see that the Yammie has like 12 LCD pages of functions :shocked:
For the 2nd zone, I input it as if it was a total separate unit and named it zone 2. The Harmony software suggests doing this and was already preprogrammed to use all the zone 2 functions for my 2700. So under "outside music", I can control it as if I was using the zone 2 remote.
I have zone 2 set for 2 sources...CD or cable music channels.
I also have "network music" as an activity.
I go in and make adjustments as needed. I think I have everything laid out pretty well. My wife loves the harmony and would never understand the Yammie remote.
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most OEM remotes are bad but yammies are the WORST.
People who dont use universals dont understand one of the main advantages, mainly you can put buttons ANYWHERE.
I seldom leave my cable box section, it has buttons for tv control, amp control, etc.
My CD section has buttons for dsp, cd direct, etc.
mines a pronto btw:1:
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Originally Posted by pixelthis
most OEM remotes are bad but yammies are the WORST.
This has been my experience as well. My current Yammie came into a household that had seen Denon, Sony, and Onkyo units previously.
We all know how many times noobs come around these parts asking "Which receiver...?" questions. Before the Yammie I would've never thought to counsel using the remote as citeria. It's that bad.
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I wish company's would make remotes an optional purchase. The functionality these days of those things is incredible, but the Harmony's and Pronto's of the world render them pretty much useless.
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Observation:
I was listening to music last night over the network and when I tried to play .wma's recently ripped from my fairly new Pink Floyd and Rush CD's I got "connection error" from every one of them. I checked to make sure the receiver can recognize wma's so I played some that were ripped a while ago and they played fine. I then did a side-by-side of the files and found that the PF & Rush tracks had a much bigger file size as well as a faster bit rate. I know I used WMP to rip these, but I may have used Rhapsody and my sound card's s/w to record the older stuff. That aside, am I drawing the right conclusion in thinking bit rate and file size are contributing factors leading to the connection error message?
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
I was listening to music last night over the network and when I tried to play .wma's recently ripped from my fairly new Pink Floyd and Rush CD's I got "connection error" from every one of them. I checked to make sure the receiver can recognize wma's so I played some that were ripped a while ago and they played fine. I then did a side-by-side of the files and found that the PF & Rush tracks had a much bigger file size as well as a faster bit rate. I know I used WMP to rip these, but I may have used Rhapsody and my sound card's s/w to record the older stuff. That aside, am I drawing the right conclusion in thinking bit rate and file size are contributing factors leading to the connection error message?
Could be a bandwidth problem but don't quote me on that.
It is such a hassle to keep nets going, this is why I use an USB souncard.
The idea of a "networked" receiver sounds great, but I watch computer video and listen to audio just fine without it.
When I listen to tunes or watch shows reliability is key, and this whole networked media
is just not ready for prime time, IMHO:1:
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I'm willing to bet it IS a bandwidth problem. I did some more research on the Rush & PF tracks and saw that I used the WMA Lossless format, which will certainly increase file size and bit rate, so I'm going to experiment with a few of the other wma formats that WMP supplies and see what happens. I'm going to shoot for the fastest bit rate that the reciever will recognize.
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Just an update to the situation with the "connect error". It doesn't look like it has anything to do with bit rate or file size. It happens when it encounters an M4P file or a W4V file. At first I thought these are "protected" files, but instead, it seems like something is converting them to a type, or format that my receiver won't recognize. I don't really know what's going on at this point, but I'm going to try to reorganize my Windows music file structure and hopefully some good will come from that.
In the meantime I'm back to an old problem. I don't want to turn on my TV when I'm fiddling with the receiver setup. I have to use some kind of monitor (was using an old CRT TV), and I'd REALLY like to find an inexpensive display device of some kind. If I could use a monitor similar to my computer's display, that would be great. Something lightweight, small footprint with a sharp enough picture that I would be able to see from the couch would be perfect. Somebody HELP ME!!!
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you really need to watch out for what filetypes are actually supported by your receiver, i'm betting it's just the basics (AAC, MP3 etc) and the ones you're talking about are a bit less widely supported.
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I agree. The thing is, I don't know how they became files with that "4" in the extension. It will play WMA's, MP3's and WAV's, that I know.
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
Just an update to the situation with the "connect error". It doesn't look like it has anything to do with bit rate or file size. It happens when it encounters an M4P file or a W4V file. At first I thought these are "protected" files, but instead, it seems like something is converting them to a type, or format that my receiver won't recognize. I don't really know what's going on at this point, but I'm going to try to reorganize my Windows music file structure and hopefully some good will come from that.
In the meantime I'm back to an old problem. I don't want to turn on my TV when I'm fiddling with the receiver setup. I have to use some kind of monitor (was using an old CRT TV), and I'd REALLY like to find an inexpensive display device of some kind. If I could use a monitor similar to my computer's display, that would be great. Something lightweight, small footprint with a sharp enough picture that I would be able to see from the couch would be perfect. Somebody HELP ME!!!
How about a computer display? Could you fit a 20" LCD somewhere in the room, close enough to view it?
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
I agree. The thing is, I don't know how they became files with that "4" in the extension. It will play WMA's, MP3's and WAV's, that I know.
i'd wager it's how they were ripped to your computer. just looking at media player it really doesn't tell you what you're ripping to, i'd just pick mp3 and crank the slider to 320kbps
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Originally Posted by GMichael
How about a computer display? Could you fit a 20" LCD somewhere in the room, close enough to view it?
A computer display would be great, but AFAIK there are no computer displays with composite/s-video/component video inputs. Essentially all I need is a dumb terminal since the setup menu isn't graphics intensive. What I now no longer have room for is the 19" CRT TV that I was using previously to set up DVD-A's.
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
A computer display would be great, but AFAIK there are no computer displays with composite/s-video/component video inputs. Essentially all I need is a dumb terminal since the setup menu isn't graphics intensive. What I now no longer have room for is the 19" CRT TV that I was using previously to set up DVD-A's.
There's more than one was to skin a cat. But most of them make the cat scream and fight back.
This seems like just one of many reasonable answers. But I'm not to keen on Acer.
http://biz.tigerdirect.com/applicati...&sku=A179-1944
DVI to component adapter. http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2
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Originally Posted by GMichael
There's more than one was to skin a cat. But most of them make the cat scream and fight back.
I haven't mentioned this before but one of my cats; Thelma has diabetes. She gets an insulin injection every 12 hours, but she seems to be handling it okay. The giveaway was higher than normal water consumption and frequent cat box trips. She's about ten years old now and the only sad thing is the fact that she's lost some of her independance.
What I remember about the previous conversation was that computer monitors wouldn't recognize NTSC/PAL formats. The question is, what format is the setup menu outputting in?
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
I haven't mentioned this before but one of my cats; Thelma has diabetes. She gets an insulin injection every 12 hours, but she seems to be handling it okay. The giveaway was higher than normal water consumption and frequent cat box trips. She's about ten years old now and the only sad thing is the fact that she's lost some of her independance.
What I remember about the previous conversation was that computer monitors wouldn't recognize NTSC/PAL formats. The question is, what format is the setup menu outputting in?
Poor kitty. :nonod: It's good that she has you to take care of her.
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I used a DVI>hdmi cable to watch my cablebox on my 19in Samsung while I was between TV sets , worked great and was HI-DEF:1:
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Did some digging...
And found this old post...
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Originally Posted by RnT
I was talking to an engineer here at work who has recently done some IP testing on a Digital Audio/Video chip and he tells me that what I propose won't work. He said the only way to accomplish this would be by using the HDMI out of the DVD player, through an HDMI - DVI adaptor cable then into a DVI capable monitor.
I own an LCD monitor now with a DVI input, so I'll get one of those adapters GM showed and see what happens.
BTW GM, I'm looking at a 19' Acer LCD right now here at work; the one at home is also an Acer, and so far, no problems.
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you would actually be surprised how many computer monitors have multiple inputs, my 22" LCD is like 3 years old and has composite, svideo, component, vga and dvi.
of course it will depend on how much you want to spend.
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
I own an LCD monitor now with a DVI input, so I'll get one of those adapters GM showed and see what happens.
make sure the monitor supports DVI-A (analog dvi signal), many only do DVI-D (digital dvi signal). the signal coming out of that connector will be analog, unless somehow there's a DAC in there, which i doubt.
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Are you sure the receiver's setup menu's OSD is analog?
From Blue Jeans Cable website:
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Originally Posted by BJC
First, when you're looking for a DVI cable, it's important to be sure you know what type of signal you need to carry. The DVI connection can be used either to carry a digital video signal (DVI-D) or to carry an analog signal (DVI-A) or both. The only way to be sure what your device accepts or puts out through the DVI connector is to examine the connection point and consult your manual. At right are pictures of a DVI-D plug (digital only) and a DVI-I plug (used for analog video, with or without digital video alongside). As you can see, the difference between the two lies at the right side; the DVI-D plug has a single, wide flat pin, while the DVI-I plug has that same pin, but also four additional pins, two above and two below it. Those pins are used to carry the red, green, blue and horizontal sync (R,G,B and H) lines of an RGBHV analog video signal (the vertical sync lies on another pin). If the receptacles on your devices don't have holes which will accept these four pins, then you have a DVI-D connection, which is all digital, no analog (your plug may also be lacking some other pins; if that's so, you're probably looking at a DVI-D Single-Link plug). If the receptacles do have holes for these pins, then you need to know whether both the digital and the analog modes are available on the DVI port--check your user's manual.
I'll look at the DVI jack on my monitor to see if it has the extra four pinouts. I have a perfect spot for the monitor that'll keep it real close to the receiver and allow me to get a short inexpensive cable. And I'm willing to bet non-widescreen LCD monitors can be had these days relatively cheap.
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well i assumed from the adapter that you were outputting the OSD from the receiver with component cables, which are analog.
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
And found this old post...
I own an LCD monitor now with a DVI input, so I'll get one of those adapters GM showed and see what happens.
BTW GM, I'm looking at a 19' Acer LCD right now here at work; the one at home is also an Acer, and so far, no problems.
We used to sell Acer parts. Here's a typical transaction.
Us: Hello Acer, we have a customer who needs part number xyz. Please add that to our next shipment.
Acer: Sorry, that is no longer available.
Us: OK, never mind.
Us: Hello customer? We can no longer supply that item.
Customer: OK, never mind.
Next day.
The unavailable part shows up from Acer with an invoice for it.
Us: Hello customer? It turns out that we can get that part.
Customer: Too late. I bought a new Toshiba laptop last night.
Us: Hello Acer? We need to return that part that you said we couldn't get so therefore didn't order.
Acer: Too late. It's yours. Make sure you pay us on time!
We no longer do any business with Acer.
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I see. My other monitor is an NEC.
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