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Originally Posted by GMichael
It has a lamp life. Turning them on and off for short periods will screw-up it's lifespan.
Really, I didn't know that. Shorten by how much, a few months, a year?
Why not just by another lamp....stop being so cheap people?
I have a 5 year warranty that includes lamp replacement so I guess I'll worry 'bout that later.
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Originally Posted by L.J.
I was listening to some nice smooth jazz earlier. Good stuff.
That's my new favorite channel.:15:
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Originally Posted by L.J.
Really, I didn't know that. Shorten by how much, a few months, a year?
Why not just by another lamp....stop being so cheap people?
I have a 5 year warranty that includes lamp replacement so I guess I'll worry 'bout that later.
The manual just says not to do it.
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I was listening to some smooth jazz the other day myself. It was the local Dallas station as a matter of fact. There sure are plenty of stations out there; way more than I ever expected. Bookmarking is a nice feature too.
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A new lamp costs almost as much as a PS3 L.J. :eek:
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
I was listening to some smooth jazz the other day myself. It was the local Dallas station as a matter of fact. There sure are plenty of stations out there; way more than I ever expected. Bookmarking is a nice feature too.
Ooww, I haven't tried that yet. Man I love this Yammie. I haven't even fully explored all it's features yet :yikes:
I still gotta go in and set my memory, not to mention run my YPAO eventually.
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I love mine too, but keep in mind, it's a "Mass Marketed" receiver; wasn't built with "hand picked" components so it's not very good quality. :nonod:
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
I love mine too, but keep in mind, it's a "Mass Marketed" receiver; wasn't built with "hand picked" components so it's not very good quality. :nonod:
Your hand was too busy picking your nose.
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BTW and to get off topic for a bit, I watched a concert on HD NET the other night featuring Macie Grey(sp?). Her songs weren't rock/pop, not Hip-Hop/R&B, not blues, so the conclusion I came to was jazz music. Am I correct? Whatever, I liked it!
There's a Sammy Hagar concert this weekend and I've got the DVR set to go.
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Originally Posted by GMichael
Your hand was too busy picking your nose.
No GM, I don't pick components out of my nose! :rolleyes:
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i just assumed internet radio was going to suck, is it good?
commercial free?
maybe i should set that up
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Some stations are commercial free, some aren't. I was listening over the weekend to a Philly radio station I grew up with, 94 WYSP and it was regular commercial programming, but I also have "Pink Floyd Rock-O-Roma" bookmarked which I listen to A LOT and is commercial free. Sound quality for the stations I've listened so far are just okay.
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Originally Posted by L.J.
Really, I didn't know that. Shorten by how much, a few months, a year?
Why not just by another lamp....stop being so cheap people?
I have a 5 year warranty that includes lamp replacement so I guess I'll worry 'bout that later.
"ANOTHER LAMP", sure, no problem, another 200-300 bucks.
Oh, and dont forget, the last six months or so the output really degrades, you need a new one for optimal pic quality.
When you turn one on you have to leave it on for at least 15 min, its warming up-cooling down repeatly that shortens its life.
But no matter how many precautions you take you will still need a new one after at least 2 to 3 years.
Theres a reason these sets are dying on the vine.
AND RICH, WHY COMPLICATE THINGS?
Get a USB dac , something like a FUBAR, it will output high q sound directly to your receiver, no fuss, no muss:1:
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Reviving this dead thread in an attempt to keep my ramblings centrally located. Too bad it follows pixies usual DLP rant comments. :rolleyes:
Here's a question that might not easily be answered... Some of you are aware that I'm bi-amping my mains using the receiver's Surround Back speaker outs. I connected each set of terminals per the drawing in the manual, which shows the top set (HF crossover) connected to the Front L & R, and the bottom set (LF crossover) connected to Surround Back. Okay, that's fine BUT, how does YPAO treat the LF connection? When I check the results, the Surround Back data and graphs are greyed out (yes I have "BI-AMP" turned on in the setup menu), so that tells me it's ignoring anything connected to those terminals. If this is so, how will I be able to make equalizer changes to the base & midrange speakers? In fact, I can't make level adjustments or distance (although the reason for that is obvious) to the LF speakers.
I want to, as was discussed by GM & L.J.(whose input I value highly FYI), run the room EQ, go into the manual setup and change all results to flat, and then try making frequency adjustments (which will be another topic altogether... :rolleyes: ), at each channel.
This has been bugging me since the first time I ran the auto-EQ, and hopefully my questions are clear. I haven't at this point found anything in the manuel that clearly addresses this equation.
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
Reviving this dead thread in an attempt to keep my ramblings centrally located. Too bad it follows pixies usual DLP rant comments. :rolleyes:
Here's a question that might not easily be answered... Some of you are aware that I'm bi-amping my mains using the receiver's Surround Back speaker outs. I connected each set of terminals per the drawing in the manual, which shows the top set (HF crossover) connected to the Front L & R, and the bottom set (LF crossover) connected to Surround Back. Okay, that's fine BUT, how does YPAO treat the LF connection? When I check the results, the Surround Back data and graphs are greyed out (yes I have "BI-AMP" turned on in the setup menu), so that tells me it's ignoring anything connected to those terminals. If this is so, how will I be able to make equalizer changes to the base & midrange speakers? In fact, I can't make level adjustments or distance (although the reason for that is obvious) to the LF speakers.
I want to, as was discussed by GM & L.J.(whose input I value highly FYI), run the room EQ, go into the manual setup and change all results to flat, and then try making frequency adjustments (which will be another topic altogether... :rolleyes: ), at each channel.
This has been bugging me since the first time I ran the auto-EQ, and hopefully my questions are clear. I haven't at this point found anything in the manuel that clearly addresses this equation.
Hmmmm... Seems like turn on the Bi-amp and make sure A and B speakers are both on should do it. I'd have to check the manual to be sure though.
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Maybe I spoke too soon :smilewinkgrin:
As mentioned, in the Advanced Setup menu, I set the BI-AMP on/off setting to on. And, when you say "make sure A & B speakers are both on", what do you mean? Zones two and three don't come into play here.
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Here's the manual. http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/pdf/...RX-V3800_U.pdf
I wouldn't use the EQ settings that the YPAO gives though. I'd re-set to flat and then test the room manually with a test CD and Db meter. Then cut the major peeks from the mains and leave the rest alone.
Hah! I love how the manual says that the following are not included with this receiver. Speakers (fronts, center etc....) sub, cables, wires, DVD player, monitor, etc. Must be for the fools who thought it was a HTIB.
Page 126 just says to turn "bi-amp" to "on".
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
Maybe I spoke too soon :smilewinkgrin:
As mentioned, in the Advanced Setup menu, I set the BI-AMP on/off setting to on. And, when you say "make sure A & B speakers are both on", what do you mean? Zones two and three don't come into play here.
On my 2500 the manual says to bi-amp hook the mains up to the A and B speaker outputs.
Seems like you have yours right by what I read. Not sure why it won't let you make adjustements.
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Originally Posted by GMichael
I wouldn't use the EQ settings that the YPAO gives though. I'd re-set to flat and then test the room manually with a test CD and Db meter. Then cut the major peeks from the mains and leave the rest alone.
Man I still gotta do that. One of these days. I've been too busy enjoying movies lately :)
So you didn't like the EQ results after running it on the "flat" setting?
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Originally Posted by L.J.
Man I still gotta do that. One of these days. I've been too busy enjoying movies lately :)
So you didn't like the EQ results after running it on the "flat" setting?
Like them? Sure, they were OK. But a little too aggressive for me. I don't like using the EQ to boost low points. I just use it to cut the peeks. Manual testing gave me a flatter response.
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Originally Posted by GMichael
Like them? Sure, they were OK. But a little too aggressive for me. I don't like using the EQ to boost low points. I just use it to cut the peeks. Manual testing gave me a flatter response.
Oh boy.....I can see that your gonna be meticulous with your BFD settings :lol:
Your wife is gonna be like "honey, can we just watch the movie".....and your gonna be like "hold on babe, I just wanna run these test tones one more time.....I'm off by .5db....I can get this flatter, I know I can" :lol: :lol:
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Originally Posted by GMichael
I wouldn't use the EQ settings that the YPAO gives though. I'd re-set to flat and then test the room manually with a test CD and Db meter. Then cut the major peeks from the mains and leave the rest alone.
I agree. Test CD? As opposed to the receiver's test tone? And how do I "cut the major peaks"?
Here's the deal... I haven't run the room EQ (just to get a baseline) since moving the recently acquired sofa and loveseat into the room and moving the old loveseat against the wall close to the right speaker. I mentioned before that to get identical levels from the left and right speakers as read on the SPL meter, I had to increase the right channel volume much higher than the left, so now I want to start over again just to see what the results look like from an EQ & speaker level standpoint. Good idea?:idea:
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Originally Posted by GM
Hah! I love how the manual says that the following are not included with this receiver. Speakers (fronts, center etc....) sub, cables, wires, DVD player, monitor, etc. Must be for the fools who thought it was a HTIB.
I saw that in the manual but didn't really understand why it was mentioned. (Batteries WERE included though)
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Originally Posted by L.J.
Oh boy.....I can see that your gonna be meticulous with your BFD settings :lol:
Your wife is gonna be like "honey, can we just watch the movie".....and your gonna be like "hold on babe, I just wanna run these test tones one more time.....I'm off by .5db....I can get this flatter, I know I can" :lol: :lol:
I'd have to wait until wifey was out of the house. She doesn't know that I dug the test CD out of the garbage yet. She tossed it in after I blew the tweeters out on my brand new Mini's.
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Originally Posted by L.J.
Oh boy.....I can see that your gonna be meticulous with your BFD settings :lol:
Your wife is gonna be like "honey, can we just watch the movie".....and your gonna be like "hold on babe, I just wanna run these test tones one more time.....I'm off by .5db....I can get this flatter, I know I can" :lol: :lol:
He's liable to get smacked upside the head if tells her that.
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Originally Posted by GMichael
I'd have to wait until wifey was out of the house. She doesn't know that I dug the test CD out of the garbage yet. She tossed it in after I blew the tweeters out on my brand new Mini's.
DAM! I forgot all about that. Thanks for bringing that back up. :ihih:
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
DAM! I forgot all about that. Thanks for bringing that back up. :ihih:
It's all good now. But be sure not to go over 70 db while testing your system.
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Originally Posted by GMichael
It's all good now. But be sure not to go over 70 db while testing your system.
I'll be sure to keep that in mind. So tell me why you used a test CD instead of the supplied test tone?
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
I agree. Test CD? As opposed to the receiver's test tone? And how do I "cut the major peaks"?
Here's the deal... I haven't run the room EQ (just to get a baseline) since moving the recently acquired sofa and loveseat into the room and moving the old loveseat against the wall close to the right speaker. I mentioned before that to get identical levels from the left and right speakers as read on the SPL meter, I had to increase the right channel volume much higher than the left, so now I want to start over again just to see what the results look like from an EQ & speaker level standpoint. Good idea?:idea:
I saw that in the manual but didn't really understand why it was mentioned. (Batteries WERE included though)
What, you think we just know this stuff off the top of our heads :cornut:
Go to page 85/86 in the manual and it explains how to make manual sound adjustments.
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
I'll be sure to keep that in mind. So tell me why you used a test CD instead of the supplied test tone?
The supplied test tone is a sweep on all frequencies. Great for level testing. Not so good for manual EQ setting. The CD gives me test tones at a bunch of individual frequencies. I can then keep tract of the level at each frequency and plot a curve. Then I go into the EQ and cut at the frequencies I have peeks at.
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Originally Posted by GMichael
The supplied test tone is a sweep on all frequencies. Great for level testing. Not so good for manual EQ setting. The CD gives me test tones at a bunch of individual frequencies. I can then keep tract of the level at each frequency and plot a curve. Then I go into the EQ and cut at the frequencies I have peeks at.
What CD are you using?
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Originally Posted by L.J.
What CD are you using?
Rives. I think it's the one Kex recomended in the Titanic thread.
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Originally Posted by GMichael
Rives. I think it's the one Kex recomended in the Titanic thread.
OK, that's what I use as well :thumbsup:
Not for the BFD though.....the downloadable tones are provided at the BFD guide website.
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Originally Posted by L.J.
OK, that's what I use as well :thumbsup:
Not for the BFD though.....the downloadable tones are provided at the BFD guide website.
Are those better for the BFD? Why?
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Originally Posted by GMichael
Are those better for the BFD? Why?
The tones are 1/6 octave. They give a looooooong detailed explaination why to use those tones. It's very interesting reading. You may well get started on it now anyways, right.
It starts to make sense after reading it a few times.
http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/bfdmeasure/
Not bad once you actually start working with it.
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Originally Posted by L.J.
The tones are 1/6 octave. They give a looooooong detailed explaination why to use those tones. It's very interesting reading. You may well get started on it now anyways, right.
It starts to make sense after reading it a few times.
http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/bfdmeasure/
Not bad once you actually start working with it.
That's a lot of reading to go threw "a few" times. Maybe I don't need a BFD.
I see that the test tones go down to 16 htz. That's one plus.
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Originally Posted by GMichael
That's a lot of reading to go threw "a few" times. Maybe I don't need a BFD.
I see that the test tones go down to 16 htz. That's one plus.
Actually you'd start with this.
http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/bfdguide/
Then you'd go on to the manual guide I posted above.
It's not bad once you get it hooked up and start working with it though. Run the tones, input the numbers in the chart which produces a graph. Tweak, tweak, tweak. Trust me, if I could do it.........
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Originally Posted by L.J.
Trust me, if I could do it.........
I don't know. Seems a few people around here think I'm about as dumb as a stump. Maybe I won't be able to read all those big words like "graph."
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Originally Posted by GMichael
I don't know. Seems a few people around here think I'm about as dumb as a stump. Maybe I won't be able to read all those big words like "graph."
Who said that? Want fer I should ruff'em up? :incazzato:
I'll vouch for your savvy...
Bah - GM, these wonderful dudes have taken a lot of time to make the process as quick and painless as possible. It's interesting reading and you'll learn something about your system, room, etc. Start saving your pennies...
You can get big improvements fairly quick and easy with the BFD if you cut even one more peak. It's unreal what it does for music. At least in my acoustic nightmare of a room.
The more you do, the more complex it gets, but what's the rush? You don't have to master it the first day!
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Hey Tex, or Rich, or whoever you are,
Had a thought. Maybe Yamaha is just trying to make it easy on you. I bet that the EQ being displayed for the front mains will control the mids and lows for you.
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Originally Posted by kexodusc
Who said that? Want fer I should ruff'em up? :incazzato:
I'll vouch for your savvy...
Bah - GM, these wonderful dudes have taken a lot of time to make the process as quick and painless as possible. It's interesting reading and you'll learn something about your system, room, etc. Start saving your pennies...
You can get big improvements fairly quick and easy with the BFD if you cut even one more peak. It's unreal what it does for music. At least in my acoustic nightmare of a room.
The more you do, the more complex it gets, but what's the rush? You don't have to master it the first day!
Thanks Kex,
I might just muddle through with everyone's help here.
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