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    Color me gone... Resident Loser's Avatar
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    And again...

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeE SP9
    It would seem you have discovered what all the objectivists say is not possible. Different cables do sound different.
    ...continued misinformation to which this objectivist responds: different isn't necessarily correct...just different...

    To expand:

    "... any difference is just that and nothing more...very subjective AND anecdotal in nature...

    Wire is passive...it can "boost" one segment of the frequency spectrum only by attenuating another...it's all relative...

    ...wire is wire...or more precisely: Since there is, at this time, no objective, conclusive and repeatable evidence provided by currently applied and accepted test methodology and within commensurate parameters germaine to the subject under test to the contrary, further augmented by analysis of subjective evaluation produced under strict controls and protocols, there simply is no proof, other than that provided as anecdotal evidence, which is subject to a vast array of potential biases, that there is any significant audible difference in wire of a similar type, length and gauge...."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resident Loser
    ...continued misinformation to which this objectivist responds: different isn't necessarily correct...just different...

    To expand:

    "... any difference is just that and nothing more...very subjective AND anecdotal in nature...

    Wire is passive...it can "boost" one segment of the frequency spectrum only by attenuating another...it's all relative...

    ...wire is wire...or more precisely: Since there is, at this time, no objective, conclusive and repeatable evidence provided by currently applied and accepted test methodology and within commensurate parameters germaine to the subject under test to the contrary, further augmented by analysis of subjective evaluation produced under strict controls and protocols, there simply is no proof, other than that provided as anecdotal evidence, which is subject to a vast array of potential biases, that there is any significant audible difference in wire of a similar type, length and gauge...."

    jimHJJ(...just for the record...)
    I agree with this wholehearedly. After sitting for hours listening to Ray Kimbers cable, I concluded that there was some wires that sounded DIFFERENT, but not necessarily better than the other. At other times I could not discern a difference at all between some of his designs, even though he said there was.

    A panasonic F87 changer nor a Pioneer Dv-525 could not cut the audio mustard on that sub against the superb sounding Pioneer Dv-37. Generally, I have found over the years that with higher end systems, one requires quality hardware to have that system play well.
    Kel,
    I find this statement rather curious in light of the fact that I own a F87 and its bass detail is on par with my Sony upconverting SACD DVD player. And considering the fact that ALL DD and Dts chipsets are standardized, this is really no performance benefits just because the player is different. What would produce a difference in bass is how bass management is implemented within the reciever, not the player itself.
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