DTS? Dolby this that and another thing?

[markw]

I remember Dynaquad. ..and SQ and QS 4-channel recordings from the 70's.

There were actually some recordings "encoded" so there were four intended channels and these did a fair job of creating the effect. Too bad speaker technology wouldn't really allow four decent sized speakers in a most living rooms so most had to live with smaller speakers. They sometimes produced "interesting" effects from unencoded sources in some cases but I would not say they "created" new channels from two.

And, my VHS-tapes were encoded in "Dolby Surround" which actually "encoded" four channels in a stereo soundtrack and was evntually tweaked to become Dolby Pro Logic and did a pretty fair job of sending these four channels where the engineers wanted them to come from, at least until DVD's and digital soundtracks with 5.1 discrete channels became da schnitz.

All these were designed to be enjoyed in the average living room without any special contortions. Granted, one could follow certain recommendations to get even more from it, but to require one to design their living space to accomodate a sound system, is what killed quad back in the 70's. Little speakers were unsatisfying, subwoofers were still beyond the horizon, and good sounding tiny, aesthetically pleasing, speakers were not yet plentiful and affordable.

At one time, automobiles required much more attention (crank the engine, adjust the spark, use a choke, light the headlights with matches, change tires every few miles, suffer no insulation from the weather, etc...) than todays vehicles. If they were to remain so hard to maintain and use, i doubt they would have reached the popularity they share today.

If modern systems required that rigid devotion to enjoy the effect of multi-channel sound, you betcha Joe Sixpack would jump ship. As it how stands, "real" multi-channel sound can be easily enjoyed, to some extent, in almost every living space without having to have a specifically designed room.

That's like saying one needs to sit in one chair, in one specific location, with ones head in one particular position, and not move in order to appreciate the effect of something. Aside from some geeks and those into auto-erotic asphyxiation, Joe sixpack ain't gonna buy into that.

So, if what you're saying is that if I set up my room according to specs you recommend , and acoustically treat it in the way you recommend, I'll be able to hear DTS Neo create six distinct channels from two, i guess I'll just take your word for it 'cause it's never happened in any other environment I've been in and I ain't gonna redo my living environment for something this silly.

But, it did fill the room with non-objectionable, amorphous sounds that were great for parties.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

So, if what you're saying is that if I set up my room according to specs you recommend , and acoustically treat it in the way you recommend, I'll be able to hear DTS Neo create six distinct channels from two, i guess I'll just take your word for it 'cause it's never happened in any other environment I've been in and I ain't gonna redo my living environment for something this silly.

Nope, not what I said. Go back and read post #18 again.

[markw]

I did. I gotta admit you lost me with all your verbose defense of Neo, but it didn't convince me, or anyone else methinks. DTS Neo still doesn't "create" six channels from six no matter how you try to spin it. And that, my friend, was my initial statement.

I don't know, or care, where you went with it, but I'm still sticking to what I said initially. It DOES create "stuff" fo fill the otherwise unused channels for parties but, for anything near critical listening, nah!

Simulates multiple channels? Perhaps.

Creates? No fargin' way. I ain't deaf.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

I did. I gotta admit you lost me with all your verbose defense of Neo, but it didn't convince me, or anyone else methinks. DTS Neo still doesn't "create" six channels from six no matter how you try to spin it. And that, my friend, was my initial statement.

Oh stop trying to spin and deflect. Post #18 was very clear, and if you just read the $hit instead forcing your opinion down our throats, then you would have got the point. DTS Neo does not create six channels from six, it creates six channels from two.

I don't know, or care, where you went with it, but I'm still sticking to what I said initially. It DOES create "stuff" fo fill the otherwise unused channels for parties but, for anything near critical listening, nah!

I already acknowledged that you can stick with your overly simplistic non-technical perspective. That is your right.

It does not create stuff to fill in otherwise unused channels, those channels didn't exist before decoding. Stuff is a non-precise not technical term with no relationship to this discussion.

Who said it was for critical listening? Were are you getting this stuff? And thank you for admitting it "creates" whether you want to call it stuff or whatever.

Simulates multiple channels? Perhaps.

Creates? No fargin' way. I ain't deaf.

Here is the problem with your simplistic narrow minded perspective. Each signal in each channel is discrete. The matrix is designed to work that way. That is how it is able to discretely steer signals to specific places around our heads.

If it were doing nothing more than repeating or simulating, then the effect would break down quickly, sound smeared, and mushy. If it were a mere simulation, then it could not place objects in specific points in space like it can - it would all just be a giant mush of sound.

Your game of semantics is boring as hell.

There is no one size fits all with Neo6. There are different codes and DSP's at different price points and performance levels with Neo6 on them. There is Crystal Semiconductor, Motorola and Analog Devices, and each of them use a different code and DSP's for programming Neo6 that will get you different results. There are also custom solutions designed for specific processors(like mine) that can be programmed for greater accuracy, steering speed, more multiband processing(the silicon solutions only use three bands of multiband steering, mine custom software design uses six, no chips here). You could have heard Neo6 on mid priced chipset, that does not have the accuracy or processing abilities that my software based solution has.

In other words, we could be hearing drastically different implementation of Neo6. That is a fact, not opinion.

[markw]

Whatever. ...and a sieve does a great job when you need to bail out a boat.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Whatever. ...and a sieve does a great job when you need to bail out a boat.

I guess this vapid empty response is all you have, and that is okay. It is hard to draw money from a empty account.

[markw]

I guess this vapid empty response is all you have, and that is okay. It is hard to draw money from a empty account.

Uh huh...

When you say neo creates "real" six channels from two, you're essentially saying that masturbation is the same as having "real" sex with another person.

Trust me, some of us know the difference ...with both.

[E-Stat]

Simulates multiple channels? Perhaps.

Artificially derived or synthesized channels using any number of DSP based schemes always sound synthetic to me. Cool sounding for about two minutes.