1080i or 720p?

[pixelthis]

[QUOTE=Sir Terrence the Terrible]You are lying again pixel. You cannot see the effect of the double field painting, it looks like a single field to the eyes because it refreshes faster than we can see. On CRT's during motion there is less loss during movement than there is on your average progressive panel. Your cheap ass 42" vizio resolution drops down to 330p during motion, which is far more loss than a CRT has.

5ms is not faster than the eye can see, or you would not experience any motion blur. Two fields painted at 30 times a second is invisible to the eye as it is much faster than 5ms. Get your fact straight stupid ass.


I HAVE MY "FACTS" STRAIGHT, you old fart, just dont complain because you cant understand them.

[pixelthis]

You are lying again pixel. You cannot see the effect of the double field painting, it looks like a single field to the eyes because it refreshes faster than we can see. On CRT's during motion there is less loss during movement than there is on your average progressive panel. Your cheap ass 42" vizio resolution drops down to 330p during motion, which is far more loss than a CRT has.

5ms is not faster than the eye can see, or you would not experience any motion blur. Two fields painted at 30 times a second is invisible to the eye as it is much faster than 5ms. Get your fact straight stupid ass.

Typical talky.
People arent misinformed, they arelying
Where are you from, Bulgaria?
You are the "liar" , my Vizio does NOT lose res when theres movement or any other
time, its a PROGRESSIVE SCAN device, and that trait is limited to interlaced devices.
5 MS is 5 millionth of a second, dimbulb, if you can discern a screen refreshing at that rate you need to be in professinal sports, instead of the "liars" club.

[Woochifer]

You are the "liar" , my Vizio does NOT lose res when theres movement or any other time, its a PROGRESSIVE SCAN device, and that trait is limited to interlaced devices.

Motion resolution measurements (Gary Gerson/HD Guru)

Vizio 1080p LCD VO47LF = 330 lines = sub-SD resolution
Vizio 1080p LCD VO42LFHDTV10 = 340 lines = sub-SD resolution
Vizio 1080p LCD GV42LFHDTV10A=340 lines = sub-SD resolution

Average measured motion resolution on 1080p plasma HDTVs (2008 models) = >800 lines = HD resolution

= liar
= laughing AT you, not WITH you

P.S. ms = millisecond = 1/1000th of a second
= off by a factor of 1,000 is an improvement!

[bobsticks]

Not to stir up a hornet's nest, but, pix, have you considered an eye exam? You seem so sure of yourself but the numbers don't seem to bear it out.

I'm just sayin'...

[Woochifer]

Not to stir up a hornet's nest, but, pix, have you considered an eye exam? You seem so sure of yourself but the numbers don't seem to bear it out.

I'm just sayin'...

Oh, he needs an exam alright ... but I don't think eyesight's his issue!

[pixelthis]

Motion resolution measurements (Gary Gerson/HD Guru)

Vizio 1080p LCD VO47LF = 330 lines = sub-SD resolution

Vizio 1080p LCD VO42LFHDTV10 = 340 lines = sub-SD resolution

Vizio 1080p LCD GV42LFHDTV10A=340 lines = sub-SD resolution

(made up horse s**t)

Average measured motion resolution on 1080p plasma HDTVs (2008 models) = >800 lines = HD resolution

More made up garbage

= liar

= laughing AT you, not WITH you

Well, I wouldnt laugh at you, mama told me not to laugh at slow people

P.S. ms = millisecond = 1/1000th of a second
= off by a factor of 1,000 is an improvement!

If you got anything right it would be an "improvement".
You can make up any crap you want, being an offical govt liar it probably IS easy for you.
I dont know about any Vizios you have seen, but mine is a full 1080p

You cant post numbers from one site without confirmation.
Truth is you dont know what you're talking about.
Truth is I have seen 300 lines of res, and I know what it looks like.
AND I have seen a fool and a liar, and I KNOW WHAT ONE OF THOSE
LOOKS LIKE.

[pixelthis]

YOU need to provide a link for "gary gerson" since google cant find him.
If indeed he does exist.

[pixelthis]

Ah yes, thats gary merson
As usual wooch got it wrong.
If you want to just read mersons site, it is basically where wooch gets all of his material,
its basically a slam at what mr merson calls "tier three" brands, which includes vizio.
Couldnt find any of the measurements wooch was talking about, but I did find one interesting fact.
Mr MERSON IS IN RETAIL
He is not a technical person at all!
Now there might be some specs buried somewhere but I COULDNT FIND EM.
So a linky or you stinky wooch.
And dont think that just because merson writes for for a rag like sound and visionthat he impresses me at all

[pixelthis]

Figures wooch would use a non tech website for tech quotes.
ANY techie knows that its difficult to measure res on a moving picture
(res charts are still frame)

[Woochifer]

If you got anything right it would be an "improvement".
You can make up any crap you want, being an offical govt liar it probably IS easy for you.
I dont know about any Vizios you have seen, but mine is a full 1080p

Only with a still image do you see 1080p!

Moving images are sub-SD, but you wouldn't know given that your eyes are so used to that 20-year old battery powered LCD TV that you so fondly speak of!

You cant post numbers from one site without confirmation.
Truth is you dont know what you're talking about.
Truth is I have seen 300 lines of res, and I know what it looks like.
AND I have seen a fool and a liar, and I KNOW WHAT ONE OF THOSE
LOOKS LIKE.

Ah yes, thats gary merson
As usual wooch got it wrong.
If you want to just read mersons site, it is basically where wooch gets all of his material,
its basically a slam at what mr merson calls "tier three" brands, which includes vizio.
Couldnt find any of the measurements wooch was talking about, but I did find one interesting fact.

Yup, and your spelling is PERFECT, right? All of the information that Merson provides about "tier three" brands is factual because it comes DIRECTLY from representatives of those companies, including the warranty and repair policies, and spare parts availability, which should concern anyone looking to buy one of these cheapie TVs. Your willingness to overlook that fact to save a few bucks is more of the dishonesty that everyone expects from you.

You should actually be thankful that Merson wrote those articles last year, because Vizio's warranty policies were even worse back then (i.e., no on-site service, $300 charge just for a replacement container, customer pays for two-way shipping, TVs typically replaced with refurbs rather than repaired, etc.). It was only after those practices were exposed that Vizio made some changes to their warranty policies (i.e., they now have in-house service on some repairs, and only charge customers for one way shipping -- how charitable of them!) and finally made spare parts for their current models available to local repair shops.

But, even so, their warranty practices remain way behind what consumers get with the major brands, most of whom include on-site service for all warranty calls on big screen HDTVs, and maintain national networks of factory repair centers and authorized spare parts distributors for out-of-warranty repairs. Like everything else that they do, Vizio's warranty service and spare parts distribution is outsourced.

Geez, can't you find ANYTHING on your own or do I have to bail you out all the time?

http://hdguru.com/wp-content/uploads...-125-hdtvs.pdf

Mr MERSON IS IN RETAIL
He is not a technical person at all!
Now there might be some specs buried somewhere but I COULDNT FIND EM.
So a linky or you stinky wooch.
And dont think that just because merson writes for for a rag like sound and visionthat he impresses me at all

Right, and your credentials as a hospital rent-a-cop and citation of some article about plasma TVs manufactured 10 years ago are oh-so-technical! Still recommending that people run their HDTVs with the torch settings in the stretch mode?

I don't expect you to be impressed by Merson's credentials, given that facts don't seem to register with you either.

Figures wooch would use a non tech website for tech quotes.
ANY techie knows that its difficult to measure res on a moving picture
(res charts are still frame)

And denial of reality doesn't prove its nonexistence.

[pixelthis]

This merson site is nothing more than Panny propaganda, its even trimmed out with
panny blue!
All it talks about is how great panasonic is and how other stuff sucks, spam basically.
I saw a similar panny propaganda site a few years ago, this isnt the first time they
have done this.
People were posting video reviews of their own gear.
After watching two or three I realized that they were all reviewing panny products!
No I dont have any respect for merson, or anybody else who has sold out and become
a whore.
At least they could admit they are hawking Panasonic but they arent even that honest.
Figures that wooch would fall for this nonsense.
To state that any 1080p set is only 330 lines of res shows how far they are bending facts.
They must have a huge amount invested in that plasma factory to be propagandizing
this badly. This whole site is nothing but a cleverly disguised PANASONIC ADVERTISMENT.
Well, not that clever, they could have decorated it with something other than classic panny blue

[pixelthis]

[QUOTE=Woochifer]Only with a still image do you see 1080p!

Moving images are sub-SD, but you wouldn't know given that your eyes are so used to that 20-year old battery powered LCD TV that you so fondly speak of!

AND your intellect is sub-nutless monkey

Yup, and your spelling is PERFECT, right? All of the information that Merson provides about "tier three" brands is factual because it comes DIRECTLY from representatives of those companies, including the warranty and repair policies, and spare parts availability, which should concern anyone looking to buy one of these cheapie TVs. Your willingness to overlook that fact to save a few bucks is more of the dishonesty that everyone expects from you.

THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF "three tiers" of anything comes from this site, I have seen this nowhere else.
Do you think a manufacturer would claim that his product is third anything?
They also conviently forget that Vizio is the number one seller

You should actually be thankful that Merson wrote those articles last year, because Vizio's warranty policies were even worse back then (i.e., no on-site service, $300 charge just for a replacement container, customer pays for two-way shipping, TVs typically replaced with refurbs rather than repaired, etc.). It was only after those practices were exposed that Vizio made some changes to their warranty policies (i.e., they now have in-house service on some repairs, and only charge customers for one way shipping -- how charitable of them!) and finally made spare parts for their current models available to local repair shops.

Couldnt tell you about Vizios repairs policy, because of the five I know of none have broke.

But, even so, their warranty practices remain way behind what consumers get with the major brands, most of whom include on-site service for all warranty calls on big screen HDTVs, and maintain national networks of factory repair centers and authorized spare parts distributors for out-of-warranty repairs. Like everything else that they do, Vizio's warranty service and spare parts distribution is outsourced.

Vizio is a young company, of course their service is outsourced, they dont have several hundred million to build their own service centers.
Nothing unusual in what that do, its common practice

Geez, can't you find ANYTHING on your own or do I have to bail you out all the time?

If yopu had spelled the name right that would help.
Or did you even want anybody scutinizing this source of blatant propaganda?
Figures you would like such a site

Right, and your credentials as a hospital rent-a-cop and citation of some article about plasma TVs manufactured 10 years ago are oh-so-technical! Still recommending that people run their HDTVs with the torch settings in the stretch mode?

My three years of electronics training has faded a bit, but I HAVE KEPT UP TO DATE WITH a great deal.
IN any event I have forgotten more than you will ever know.
And my "rent a cop status" is because I am retired, I spent 15 years as a police officer
and have learned to spot a liar from a mile off.

I don't expect you to be impressed by Merson's credentials, given that facts don't seem to register with you either.

FACTS from objective sources impress me, propaganda from a corporate shill site
less so, fits that they would impress a ninny such as yourself.

And denial of reality doesn't prove its nonexistence.

WHAAAA????:OUT:

[bobsticks]

.



.
Who's "yopu"?

[Woochifer]

This merson site is nothing more than Panny propaganda, its even trimmed out with
panny blue!
All it talks about is how great panasonic is and how other stuff sucks, spam basically.
I saw a similar panny propaganda site a few years ago, this isnt the first time they
have done this.
People were posting video reviews of their own gear.
After watching two or three I realized that they were all reviewing panny products!
No I dont have any respect for merson, or anybody else who has sold out and become
a whore.
At least they could admit they are hawking Panasonic but they arent even that honest.
Figures that wooch would fall for this nonsense.
To state that any 1080p set is only 330 lines of res shows how far they are bending facts.
They must have a huge amount invested in that plasma factory to be propagandizing
this badly. This whole site is nothing but a cleverly disguised PANASONIC ADVERTISMENT.
Well, not that clever, they could have decorated it with something other than classic panny blue

Lay off whatever homemade stuff you've been drinking, you're really losin' it (that is, of course presuming that you ever had it in the first place!)!

So, ANY website using blue colors is now Panasonic propaganda? (I guess you'd better stop posting at Audioreview, since OMG the backgrounds are BLUE!!!!! By posting on this site, you're CONTRIBUTING to Panasonic's global takeover!!!!! Obviously, your paranoia has cut down that limited reading comprehension of yours to the point you can't even see words anymore ... you see blue so the propagandists are out to get you!!!!!!

Since you obviously didn't bother to read any of the content that I linked to, I'll ask you yet again ... how can Merson's site be a propaganda arm of Panasonic if his recommended TVs include models from Samsung, Sony, Pioneer, and Toshiba, among others? And if he's such a Panny shill, how come his benchmark measurements include 125 models, and show the Pioneer plasmas with better motion resolution measurements and passing scores on the 2:3 pulldown test (which BTW, the Panasonics fail)? Don't strain yourself too much, that would require that you actually read WORDS and not just obsess about COLOR conspiracies!

[Woochifer]

AND your intellect is sub-nutless monkey

I take it that you finally figured out that 1080p resolution on a still image is not the same as 330 motion resolution, congratulations!

THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF "three tiers" of anything comes from this site, I have seen this nowhere else.
Do you think a manufacturer would claim that his product is third anything?

There are many ways of referring to off-brand TVs, and Vizio's business model has more in common with the likes of Polaroid, Westinghouse, and Apex than Samsung, Sony, or Panasonic. I'm sure that the major brand companies would readily refer to an off-brand company like Vizio as third-something -- third tier, third rate, whatever.

They also conviently forget that Vizio is the number one seller

Try reading something from 2008 for a change. You seem to have trouble matching your info with the date on the calendar. Vizio lost that lead over a year ago, and only held it for one quarter to begin with. Since then, Samsung and Sony have been battling it out for #1, while Vizio is now struggling to hold off Sharp for the #3 position.

Couldnt tell you about Vizios repairs policy, because of the five I know of none have broke.

Try reading the warranty that came with your TV (which is where most of Merson's information came from), or are you incapable of comprehending anything until it's more than 10 years old?

Vizio is a young company, of course their service is outsourced, they dont have several hundred million to build their own service centers.

Just the hundreds of millions in profits that they have already pocketed, because they don't make investments in anything other than marketing.

Nothing unusual in what that do, its common practice

Yep, their practices still have more in common with other off-brand companies looking to make a quick buck like Dynex, Polaroid, Westinghouse, and Apex. Vizio didn't even make spare parts available to repair shops until last summer, and even then that doesn't cover their older models. Nothing in common with Samsung, Pioneer, Sony, Toshiba, Panasonic, etc. who invested in service centers and authorized spare parts distribution from the very beginning.

If yopu had spelled the name right that would help.
Or did you even want anybody scutinizing this source of blatant propaganda?
Figures you would like such a site

Like I said, your spelling is SOOOOOOO perfect Mr. "yopu"! If the facts aren't on your side, attack the messenger -- typical pix.

WHAAAA????:OUT:

Figures you still can't get past the denial stage. You kept clinging to the hope that my info actually was made up and when I provide the link to the benchmark test info that you challenged me to provide, this is all you can say!

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Not to stir up a hornet's nest, but, pix, have you considered an eye exam? You seem so sure of yourself but the numbers don't seem to bear it out.

I'm just sayin'...

Its called denial. Vizio are to his eyes perfect. That Is why I have always said he doesn't know quality if it came and bit him on his noglas. He wants us to believe he picked the best there is, but he ain't foolin nobody.

[pixelthis]

Its called denial. Vizio are to his eyes perfect. That Is why I have always said he doesn't know quality if it came and bit him on his noglas. He wants us to believe he picked the best there is, but he ain't foolin nobody.

Its the best for the price.
Sometimes you have to compromise.
You will understand this when you graduate from high school and start buying real
equipment instead of just making up "dream" stuff for websites like this.

[pixelthis]

I take it that you finally figured out that 1080p resolution on a still image is not the same as 330 motion resolution, congratulations!



There are many ways of referring to off-brand TVs, and Vizio's business model has more in common with the likes of Polaroid, Westinghouse, and Apex than Samsung, Sony, or Panasonic. I'm sure that the major brand companies would readily refer to an off-brand company like Vizio as third-something -- third tier, third rate, whatever.



Try reading something from 2008 for a change. You seem to have trouble matching your info with the date on the calendar. Vizio lost that lead over a year ago, and only held it for one quarter to begin with. Since then, Samsung and Sony have been battling it out for #1, while Vizio is now struggling to hold off Sharp for the #3 position.



Try reading the warranty that came with your TV (which is where most of Merson's information came from), or are you incapable of comprehending anything until it's more than 10 years old?



Just the hundreds of millions in profits that they have already pocketed, because they don't make investments in anything other than marketing.



Yep, their practices still have more in common with other off-brand companies looking to make a quick buck like Dynex, Polaroid, Westinghouse, and Apex. Vizio didn't even make spare parts available to repair shops until last summer, and even then that doesn't cover their older models. Nothing in common with Samsung, Pioneer, Sony, Toshiba, Panasonic, etc. who invested in service centers and authorized spare parts distribution from the very beginning.



Like I said, your spelling is SOOOOOOO perfect Mr. "yopu"! If the facts aren't on your side, attack the messenger -- typical pix.



Figures you still can't get past the denial stage. You kept clinging to the hope that my info actually was made up and when I provide the link to the benchmark test info that you challenged me to provide, this is all you can say!

Try providing some "benchmark" info that ISNT from a propaganda website hosted by a company that just opened a new plasma factory.
Either you are too stupid to understand a lie when you see one or you are one of the liars.
I go with the second option.

[thekid]

So much for that Peace on Earth and Goodwill to All we were hearing so much about a couple of weeks ago...... I guess I can now officailly throw out my X-mas cards..........

[Rich-n-Texas]

A couple of FYI's... My niece has had her Apex TV for seven years, and even though I tried to discourage her, she went and bought a Polariod 720p LCD TV after giving her Apex to her mother. I actually recommended that she buy a Vizio, but the low low price for the Polaroid was too atractive for her to pass up I guess...

[Woochifer]

Try providing some "benchmark" info that ISNT from a propaganda website hosted by a company that just opened a new plasma factory.
Either you are too stupid to understand a lie when you see one or you are one of the liars.
I go with the second option.

Buying a banner ad is not the same thing as hosting a site, or are you just ignoring that fact so you can keep your inane color conspiracy tirade going?

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Try providing some "benchmark" info that ISNT from a propaganda website hosted by a company that just opened a new plasma factory.
Either you are too stupid to understand a lie when you see one or you are one of the liars.
I go with the second option.

There isn't any point to this, any information provided will just be dismissed as propaganda. Merson was not the only person to conduct those tests, The Hollywood Digital technical faclility did the same test. Same results. Now this is an independent testing facility, are you going to accuse them of bias as well?

[GMichael]

I know what is going on here. You guys like to bang your heads together like this because it feels so good when you stop, right?

[pixelthis]

A couple of FYI's... My niece has had her Apex TV for seven years, and even though I tried to discourage her, she went and bought a Polariod 720p LCD TV after giving her Apex to her mother. I actually recommended that she buy a Vizio, but the low low price for the Polaroid was too atractive for her to pass up I guess...

a FRIEND HAS A APEX in a bedroom that is still going strong after 10 years.
Why wooch thinks comparing a Vizio to this brand is a slam is beyond me.
BUT MOST OF THE INANE nonsense he spouts is beyond me.

[bobsticks]

a FRIEND HAS A APEX in a bedroom that is still going strong after 10 years.
Why wooch thinks comparing a Vizio to this brand is a slam is beyond me.
BUT MOST OF THE INANE nonsense he spouts is beyond me.

I would imagine that your friend is the exception to the rule and is fortunate. Apex is also a company that didn't make replacement parts for its products yet, perplexingly, offered warranties. Didn't thay have something like 40 million dvd players die over a couple of years? My understanding is that's one of the reasons why the CEO is in jail...in China.

Perhaps not a business model that works for everyone.