Warm sound, cold sound... whats it to you?

[E-Stat]

Dispersion characteristics don't necessarily have much to do with FR...or do they?

All I'm saying is that FR alone (or singly if you please) does not a great speaker make. Witness the AR-LST. What a toad. But it looked great on paper! Or you can equalize any number of speakers to be flat, but not possess especially high resolution.

if you use a tone control in the "cut" mode, is it still a gain stage?

From my perspective, if you are using an equalizer using any number of active devices with a stated output voltage, then the answer is yes. Most folks don't consider a resistor (either fixed or variable) and a cap like you find in a speaker crossover as a "gain stage".

rw

[Resident Loser]

..."Dispersion characteristics don't necessarily have much to do with FR...or do they?..."

All I'm saying is that FR alone (or singly if you please) does not a great speaker make. Witness the AR-LST. What a toad. But it looked great on paper! Or you can equalize any number of speakers to be flat, but not possess especially high resolution.

I said I'd try to be more precise. I remember them...although I don't recall their sound...Why were they toady? Resolution? That's an ambiguous term...resolving what exactly...image?...depth?...Did a flute sound like a flute?...a banjo like a banjo? I rarely see if I can play pin-the-tail on the oboeist...I listen to music...sonic holography is secondary...I rarely get to sit in the "sweet-spot"...

Most folks don't consider a resistor (either fixed or variable) and a cap like you find in a speaker crossover as a "gain stage".

No, I guess that's just a load...

jimHJJ(...or so it would seem...)

[E-Stat]

Why were they toady?

LIkewise, it's been a while since I last heard them. I used the term that the salesperson gave me at the time. Dull and uninvolving is my recollection. If AR were still around, perhaps you could ask them why they canned the LST series.

Resolution? That's an ambiguous term...resolving what exactly...image?...depth?...

One of the delights of getting a new component for me is rediscovering old musical favorites. Since I acquired new speakers last month, I have been hearing deeper into all sorts of recordings that I have heard countless times over long periods of time. From 60s Astrud Gilberto to current Higdon, I hear new details in the music. Improved vocal articulation. Hearing the harp distinctly for the first time in a piece of music. More texture to the rosiny growl of strings. The sound of a twelve string guitar's body. Rendering spatial cues more evident.

Do you have a high def TV? If you do, then you know what I mean.

rw

[Resident Loser]

One of the delights of getting a new component for me is rediscovering old musical favorites. Since I acquired new speakers last month, I have been hearing deeper into all sorts of recordings that I have heard countless times over long periods of time. From 60s Astrud Gilberto to current Higdon, I hear new details in the music. Improved vocal articulation. Hearing the harp distinctly for the first time in a piece of music. More texture to the rosiny growl of strings. The sound of a twelve string guitar's body. Rendering spatial cues more evident.

...begs the question(s)...Was it all there all along?...Did your new gear just cause you to listen more closely?

Do you have a high def TV? If you do, then you know what I mean.

HAH!!!...tee-hee...chuckle, chuckle...snort...hi-def...unless you consider a 20in. Philips/Magnavox set with probably a 10yr. old Sony VCR and a bank give-away JVC DVD player state-of-the art gear I'd guess the answer is no...but there really ain't squat to watch anywho...with "...13 channels of $h!t on the tee-vee to choose from..." or so goes the song...

jimHJJ(...but I do get the gist of your crux...)

[E-Stat]

...begs the question(s)...Was it all there all along?...Did your new gear just cause you to listen more closely?

It still isn't there in the same way with other systems even with the knowledge that it is. Here again some of these selections I've heard hundreds of times and have gone through the upgrade "listen-to-the-difference" process multiple times. There are times, however, where the reverse is true. My "musical memory" for well-listened-to pieces sometimes fills in what is not getting reproduced by my lesser systems.

I'd guess the answer is no...but there really ain't squat to watch anywho...

I have a midrange 61" DLP monitor with a Hi Def cable box. Color saturation, brightness, and resolution are all significantly improved over NTSC sets not to mention sound quality. Everyone notices the improvements. You can make out the faces in the crowd at sporting events, for example. You can also see the sometimes comical amount of makeup worn by local newscasters as well.

Although my wife enjoys some popular programs such as Law & Order, ER, etc., my viewing consists primarily of movie, science and automotive/motorcycle related channels. Comcast gives me about a dozen Hi-Def channels including Discovery HD, two INHD channels, TNT, two ESPN channels, and two movie channels. INHD has a weekly program where they broadcast IMAX films that are positively wonderful. I trust you have experienced one of those ultra large format presentations. That kind of resolution (almost) is now available in your home.

rw

[hermanv]

but there really ain't squat to watch anywho.

(Long way from warm sound, cold sound.)

Although I agree there's little on, given the high available channel count. I disagree this makes HDTV moot. When there is something on, whether its once a day or once a month the viewing experience is good enough that the only reason now to go to a movie theater is for some kind of social interaction.

In an audiophile analogy; most CDs suck, a few good ones make the investment in a nice system worthwile, at least to me.

[Resident Loser]

(Long way from warm sound, cold sound.)

I really didn't mean to embark on one of those tangental topics that seem to occur with regularity 'round here, just providing the courtesy of a response to E-Stat...

And in that light...

I disagree this makes HDTV moot.

For me it does...simply going for the video portion would probably get me interested in full-blown HT; I just haven't the room to do things up "right"... . I do mostly watch certain PBS presentations, two stations are available...reception on one is good, the other not-so-good...which would mean futzing with antennae or subscribing to cable...I have more pressing issues to deal with re: to the former and I have a big problem with the cable swine. Direct tv and dishes have their own problems and I'm pretty sure I know how WWll winds up...

the only reason now to go to a movie theater is for some kind of social interaction.

EEEK!!! "...social interaction..." is that what it is? Well, again we differ...The movie experience isn't what it once was in the big, old movie theaters in the days of yore...If I wanted to go to a living room sized venue, to deal with the filth and the noisy neighbors, it wouldn't be a problem...however, my wife and I take great pains to avoid contact with most of "humanity"...we'd rather go out and take a hike...

jimHJJ(...anyway, nice talkin' with ya...)

[frankmarsi]

All I'm saying is that FR alone (or singly if you please) does not a great speaker make. Witness the AR-LST. What a toad. But it looked great on paper! Or you can equalize any number of speakers to be flat, but not possess especially high resolution.



From my perspective, if you are using an equalizer using any number of active devices with a stated output voltage, then the answer is yes. Most folks don't consider a resistor (either fixed or variable) and a cap like you find in a speaker crossover as a "gain stage".

rw

Dear Sir, I resent your comment that the AR-LST is a 'toad'. I run 4 stacked and they're probably the best sounding speakers going!

[E-Stat]

Dear Sir, I resent your comment that the AR-LST is a 'toad'. I run 4 stacked and they're probably the best sounding speakers going!

Whoa, I had forgotten this thread from seven months ago.

Actually, that was the term the salesperson at Hi-Fi Buys who sold them used. He was not very impressed with them.

Double LSTs. What amp(s) do you use with them?

rw