Quote Originally Posted by WmAx
Technical mumbo jumbo? Do you resent controlled studies/research?

As far as 'my listening', do you think i should trust what I 'hear'? I don't. At least not the point I would try to state something as fact.
Controlled studies and research have their place, and no I do not resent them. But what do people who do controlled studies have over me? They listen with their ears, and so do I. When many people LISTEN and say the same thing, then I am willing to have an open mind. Your mind is pretty closed, and I am not interested in opening it, that is up to you. I never stated anything as FACT(that's what you gathered), its is a broad based opinion. While you are quick to dimiss it, I am not. Engineers who know their stuff have as much credibility to me as a scientist does.


Not under conditions that are not strictly controlled in order to remove psychological bias. Let's imagine I did own a SACD player. I can not compare to the RBCD layer or RBCD release, as these are very likely different masters/mixes. The only valid method would be to use a 44.1/16 A-D-A in line of the analogue SACD output and switch between the two outputs(SACD output vs. SACD output-->A-D-A output) in a carefully controlled, level matched DBT, ABX or other similar protocol and attempt to score positive signficnat statisical results
A pschological bias would only exist if you were in favor of a certain format. I have no favorites and therefore no psycological bias.

I would suggest you do just what you propose instead of talking down a technology you haven't even heard. I did just what you suggested, and that is what convinced me to upgrade my processing boxes, and various equipment to handle high resolution audio. You would be surprised if you quit talking and started listening what you will learn.


. Let's assume I did score positive results...then it is still not safe to assume that the format is to blame. In this theoretical setup, I would have to analyse/measure the A-D-A system/process in order to insure that no known audible artifacts and/or distortions are being introduced to the original signal.
The already have gear to do this on the fly, so there is no need for a second process as you suggest. Much of what you mention here I would have already done in the beginning.

IN addition, then the loudspeaker system or headphone would have to be analysed for these two discrete scenarios in order to see if IMD caused by non-linearity of the tranducer(s) is the cause of audibility. Not a quick task to accomplish. Besides, why should I think that I can achieve positive results where highly competant acoustics researchers have failed in a very similar subject? THis makes this particular test seemingly redundant and purposeless for me to carry out unless I suspect or identify a critical flaw in those tests which I attempt to account for in a new test.
-Chris
When I was deciding to upgrade, I made no attempt to test so as to attain a peer review. I wasn't interested in proving, or disproving the increased bandwidth arguement. I was interested in improvements only within the audible band. My interest was to find out if it was worth the significant investment to upgrade my equipment to handle the higher resolution. After careful listening in at least 12 different studios during mixing and mastering sessions, my own listening room, several conferences and seminars, and recording sessions, I made my decision. All testing was DBT. My decision was based on what I heard, and saw on the scope, nothing more. No interest in peer review, publishing, challenging what is already known, or setting new trends, only does it improve the audio enough to warrant a upgrade.

I am not a scientist, and have no desire to do what scientist do. I do not want to publish, so I am not interested in having a protocol that passes peer scrutiny.

I have plenty of faith in my ears, I have no faith in claims made by equipment manufacturer unless my EARS can verify them. I have no biases, so my ears cannot fooled by biases. The object is to be open minded(something you have trouble doing) and if you cannot hear an improvement, then there is none to be found, test over.