Listening Space update

[E-Stat]

No I guess I have always done it that way out of some sense of balance.

Have you ever heard a system where the walls disappeared and you were transported to a space with a stage that sounds forty feet wide and deeper still? Such can be downright quite spooky. It requires far more speaker separation (along with some other things). Just for grins, try positioning the speakers on the thirds of the room. Divide the room width by three and place each speaker at the two multiples. You may need a bit of toe in to the listening position. Get rid of everything between the speakers. They only serve to destroy the virtual center image. Also, elevate your speakers off the floor so that you are not listening *down* to them. Such only serves to miniaturize the apparent image size. You might find that your system can deliver a more lifelike presentation if you follow some basic speaker positioning rules. Remember, we are trying to reproduce a very large virtual space!

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[E-Stat]

Here is the new update since today with some of the toys I own:

With what speaker(s) do you use with all those amps/receivers? Curiously, you do not list any speakers in your profile.

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[Nasir]

Well, well,well!! And I thought I was the only one hoarding audio gear!! In fact, I used to joke that when the present day 5.1 and 7.1 systems are replaced by 12.1 home theater systems ( yes, I read that somewhere ) I will have enough amps and speakers, all I will need to buy is a player ( will it still be DVD or Bluray ? ) to upgrade my listening space. Where the hell am I going to sit ?

[dakatabg]

With what speaker(s) do you use with all those amps/receivers? Curiously, you do not list any speakers in your profile.

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I don't even have enough speakers for each receiver/amplifier but I have some speakers home. I have 4 tower Kenwood speakers, 2 Sansui speakers, 2 Cerwin Vega, 2 Fisher and 2 Pioneer but I have them on the other side of the room.

[thekid]

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Thanks for the advice! It sounds like you are going to make me cut some more speaker wire.....

Seriously is there any sites that you can recommend that diagrams the set-up you describe? I'd like to use it as somewhat of a template after I take some measurements.

Thanks!!

[E-Stat]

Seriously is there any sites that you can recommend that diagrams the set-up you describe? I'd like to use it as somewhat of a template after I take some measurements.

The Cardas site uses the "golden triangle" method for maximizing imaging and minimizing room modes. You may not be able to set them as far from the back wall as they suggest, but I would recommend that you try. Remember, these are starting points subject to experimentation with your particular room. Good luck!

Room setup

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[E-Stat]

I don't even have enough speakers for each receiver/amplifier but I have some speakers home. I have 4 tower Kenwood speakers, 2 Sansui speakers, 2 Cerwin Vega, 2 Fisher and 2 Pioneer but I have them on the other side of the room.

I see. So your room is more of a dealer-showroom-comparison environment than a listening space.

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[dakatabg]

I see. So your room is more of a dealer-showroom-comparison environment than a listening space.

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Yeam E-Stat something like that but I have them organized good so it is not that bad.

Everyone who comes to my house, the first thing to say is - WOW.

[thekid]

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I like some of the ideas/concepts mentioned on the site you posted. From a practical point of view though it is just not going to be possible. For the most part they advocate putting the speakers close to the middle of the room and this is where the WAF kicks in. However it should be possible to sneak them out there on occasion.

[Hyfi]

My latest setup. VTI BL series.

I can't get the right speaker away from the side wall but I get a decent soundstage with this spacing.

[poppachubby]

HyFi....wonderful!!!!! Looks fantastic!!!!!

[poppachubby]

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I like some of the ideas/concepts mentioned on the site you posted. From a practical point of view though it is just not going to be possible. For the most part they advocate putting the speakers close to the middle of the room and this is where the WAF kicks in. However it should be possible to sneak them out there on occasion.

With motivation from Livin Da Blues and information from Ralph, I used the rule of thirds with splendid results.

I have always had my gear in between the speakers, this is my compromise.

Keep in mind your seat plays a big role also. It's distance from your speaker config can make or break the results. Overall kid, I think it'll be tough for those EVs to sound bad!!!

[dakatabg]

Hyfi, very very nice looking room. I love it. What brand are the speakers?

[Hyfi]

Hyfi, very very nice looking room. I love it. What brand are the speakers?

They are Clearfield Continentals, which were designed and built by Albert Von Schweikert when he worked for Counterpoint.

Below is a thread with pics of the rest of my room and old setup before this past weekend. Halfway down.

http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthr...30581&page=390

[frenchmon]

My latest setup. VTI BL series.

I can't get the right speaker away from the side wall but I get a decent soundstage with this spacing.

Can't you have the back of the gear facing the wall to the right? Or do you have a wall you can use in that room? But it may require you to change the way you have the rest of the room set up.

Very nice looking audio rack....to me sitting from here.... it looks worth more than you paid for it. I know you have seen it up close, and unless I was to get up close and inspect, I would not know about the issues you raise about it...but never the less Hyfi...it looks really good. I may have to visit that web site to take a look...I may be needing one for my main home theater.

[Hyfi]

Can't you have the back of the gear facing the wall to the right? Or do you have a wall you can use in that room? But it may require you to change the way you have the rest of the room set up.

Very nice looking audio rack....to me sitting from here.... it looks worth more than you paid for it. I know you have seen it up close, and unless I was to get up close and inspect, I would not know about the issues you raise about it...but never the less Hyfi...it looks really good. I may have to visit that web site to take a look...I may be needing one for my main home theater.

Thanks, if you look at the link above to the AdioKarma post, you will see the rest of the room. I'm sort of tied to this setup due to the sectional Natuzi.

Here is a closer look at the audio side...

[frenchmon]

Thanks, if you look at the link above to the AdioKarma post, you will see the rest of the room. I'm sort of tied to this setup due to the sectional Natuzi.

Here is a closer look at the audio side...

Man Hyfi...thats awful nice looking stuff. What amp is that on the bottom shelf? And what is that Gold one?

[thekid]

Yep H that is a nice sey-up you got going there.
Might skip over to AK to check the rest of it out.

[Hyfi]

Man Hyfi...thats awful nice looking stuff. What amp is that on the bottom shelf? And what is that Gold one?

Counterpoint NPS-400 Hybrid Amp on the bottom and VAC CLA-1 MkII dual mono tube pre in the gold. (one of the reasons I went with the gold caps along with silver frames)

[audio amateur]

My latest setup. VTI BL series.

I can't get the right speaker away from the side wall but I get a decent soundstage with this spacing.

I'm thinking your system (speakers) would be better off if you had it parallel to the rear wall

[Hyfi]

I'm thinking your system (speakers) would be better off if you had it parallel to the rear wall

I know it's not optimal but my seat and sweet spot is the opposite corner. I just can't set it up any other way, but it still sounds good.

[Worf101]

Just re-read this entire thread... Man what a long and wonderful 2 year plus odyessy it's been. Thanks for letting me live vicariously through you all.

Worf

[AsianAntiques]

I ask a question about the Optimus speakers?
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[bobsticks]

I ask a question about the Optimus speakers?
Just reply me or visit my site..


Thanks..

Feel free to ask a question on Optimus speakers on the appropriate sub-forum (i.e. "Speakers"). There are several members that currently use them and more that have experience with them.

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Thank you and welcome.

[E-Stat]

I'm thinking your system (speakers) would be better off if you had it parallel to the rear wall

Actually, a diagonal arrangement can work very well especially in challenged rooms where the room dimensions are even multiples. My only suggestion would be to provide some first reflection point absorption for the right speaker.

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