False wall and audio sound

[Resident Loser]

You read one thing, I am reading another...

Now only HAVIC has THE answer as to his intent...and I doubt he's even still around to provide us with it.

And FWIW, I have built walls and made structural changes to accommodate for assorted sonic obstacles and have used electronic and other environmental means to smooth out speaker/room response...I know how difficult and time consuming doing these things CAN be, but as an enthusiast/musician/recordist, I was willing to do the things required to suit MY requirements...others may not be willing or able to invest the time or seek out the knowledge required, or have the tools and the abilities to use them, which is why I said at the outset:

I don't think it's...quite as simple or clear cut a some would make it seem...

There is nothing in this question that states that he wants his speakers in the room. Why would he ask about putting a box around a speaker if that was not his intention? HE WANTS HIS SPEAKERS HIDDEN NOT EXPOSED!!

And just how did you arrive at this? I see nothing one way or the other.

I think when you put a box around the speaker the bass increases.

Since YOU seem to agree, kindly elaborate how putting a box within in a box will do ANYTHING to increase bass response? Kindly note it's "box" and not "baffle", not "wall"...simply "box"...quite frankly, without further clarification(which I attempted to obtain)it makes no sense at all. An acoustic suspension design or front firing bass-reflex already has had design considerations implemented in an effort to either isolate or use(as in the bass-reflex) the rear wave of the woofer...putting the enclosure "in a box" will change little or nothing, save for increasing the enclosure's apparent wall thickness....putting it into an alcove(a "bigger" box) WILL load the bass response, perhaps uncontrollably...flush mounting it within a wall(NOTE: this is no longer a "box" by anyone's definition) MAY have a marginal effect on the bass response(possibly an unwelcome one, particularly if the room's dimensions are altered to the point of encouraging standing waves) and it will most likely have an effect on the tweeters dispersion charcteristics, particularly if the designer's intent was to minimize cabinet diffraction and the anomolies caused by them...horn loaded or drivers with acoustic lenses will be less affected by such placement...as stated earlier, their patterns are pretty much "fixed" by design. I think the Genelec's tweeters can be rotated 90 degrees for horizontal positioning (the manf. rec is vertical), just for this reason. And, from what I understand, frequency response is only a part of any loudspeaker's "sonic signature", so electronic means(EQing, etc.) MAY not be the be-all and end-all in that department. But, that may be close enough for HT.

I think when you put a box around the speaker the bass increases.If that is true...

...and WHY would it be?...unless we are talking "alcove" (the "bigger" box)...and the resultant "loading" effects

would a false wall 2-3 feet deep have the same effect. would the false wall effect anything else"

AHA!!! So here we go...first "box"...then "wall" Two different things! You CAN"T make a comparison of one thing...they don't seem to be as interchangeable as you think, eh?

The same effect as what? Putting the speaker "in a box"? That's dependent on the size of the "box" for there to be any appreciable change. False wall? What configuration? Screen support? Infinite baffle? Quite simply, a "false wall" of any shape, design or label will effect EVERYTHING else...and will require after-the-fact tweaking, no simple cut-and-paste.

You really haven't addressed the poster inquiry at all. You are too busy superimposing your views over what he is asking.

Superimposing MY views? Like what...THX-certified? Actually, I'm trying to figure out precisely WHAT he's asking and address that...quite unlike yourself who knows exactly what he's suggesting by posting:

If you are speaking of a baffle wall, that will increase bass tremedously

Yeah, "IF" is real definitive...

jimHJJ(...your turn Kreskin...)