Dirty Little Secrets

[Rich-n-Texas]

I don't get upset .I enjoy the give and take. Believe it or not I respect many of the opinions posted here. The unhappy faces are fun.
I agree to disagree. it likes driving on the autobahn , at first it's tough but you get better.
At first I was surprised at the response , not now.

I rather enjoy debating with all of you. We all learn something. You might call it the clashing with the generations.
Isn't America a wonderful. Keep it coming.
What about this face ?

Well, I guess this means he isn't going anywhere for a while.

[Mr Peabody]

There's nothing wrong with offering a full line from entry to high end, it's just very difficult to get your high end gear respect. Look at Denon for instance, their receivers and consumer stuff is their bread and butter, not many know that they had $20k amps and most looking for a $20k amp would rather have a Krell or Levinson than the Denon. If the Denon was able to kick their butt I'm sure they'd get some respect. The only really high end Marantz I heard was their $7.5k SACD player which was showed up by Krell redbook costing much less. I do keep an open mind though and plan to give Marantz a shot when the AV8003 hits the street.

The dealer I speak of wants to make money like anyone in business but they try to keep a reputation for carrying the best, in their opinion, at a certain price point. They had Arcam as a line and built it in the Midwest before anyone knew who Arcam was. They have T+A and was the first place I ever heard of the line and T+A isn't a household name in hi fi yet, at least in the U.S. If they didn't have some integrity or concern about the quality of their product they could do the easy thing and carry Rotel, Denon and B&W like almost every other hi fi shop.

[Ajani]

There's nothing wrong with offering a full line from entry to high end, it's just very difficult to get your high end gear respect. Look at Denon for instance, their receivers and consumer stuff is their bread and butter, not many know that they had $20k amps and most looking for a $20k amp would rather have a Krell or Levinson than the Denon. If the Denon was able to kick their butt I'm sure they'd get some respect. The only really high end Marantz I heard was their $7.5k SACD player which was showed up by Krell redbook costing much less. I do keep an open mind though and plan to give Marantz a shot when the AV8003 hits the street.

The dealer I speak of wants to make money like anyone in business but they try to keep a reputation for carrying the best, in their opinion, at a certain price point. They had Arcam as a line and built it in the Midwest before anyone knew who Arcam was. They have T+A and was the first place I ever heard of the line and T+A isn't a household name in hi fi yet, at least in the U.S. If they didn't have some integrity or concern about the quality of their product they could do the easy thing and carry Rotel, Denon and B&W like almost every other hi fi shop.

LOL.... sounds like you have a good dealer.... though I like Rotel and to some extent B&W, I realize that selling those products really is the easy road....

Oh and it seems Denon is still trying to press into High End.... they now have a $7K Pre-amp and Matching $7K (10 channel x 150 @ * ohms) Power amp....

[Groundbeef]

Ferrari won the Formula One Championship followed by BMW , Renault , Williams Toyota.
McLaren Mercedes would have been the winner but because of rules violation lost it's points and Ferrari was awarded the winner. Mercedes lost all it's points as a result.
You don't even know where to find a source on a computer."

I only request your reply be even more vague than the above example of your nonsensical writing. What year are you discussing? When was McLaren penalized? Every year? One year? Mercedes lost all its points when?

Nascar cars are to big and can't turn corners , friends of mine call them rounders ! on a road circuit they would not be a factor, the FI cars would run of and hide form the cheaper
not as well built Nascar iron."

I don't really care what your friends call them. A Nascar would crush your beloved F1, and keep running all day long. And you are aware that Nascar does run a road circuit with turns right? A race without turns is a drag race. Incidently, a dragster would kill an F1 in acceleration as well.

Showroom comparison , the best Honda , Toyota , Accura , and Lexus vs the BMW 760i,
M6 , M5 , Mercedes S600 , S65AMG , SLK55AMG , just to name a few. I forgot Porsche !
How many FI Championships has Honda won ?"

I see. Now you want to change the original question to fit your arguement. Before it was how may races has the japanese won. Now its championships. Your a loser, and can't even admit it.

I may be a fool but you can't read ! It is true you know little about cars , what do you know anything about ?
The European cars control international racing ! FI and sports cars ! The Japanese are still trying "READ" . The Italians , Germans and British has no peers when it comes to building great motor cars. Only Ford Motor Company has won an international championship as a non European . The Fords were developed in Great Britain . The first successful Ford GT'40s were driven by European drivers."

You must be drunk. Put down the scotch old man, its only 1:15 CST. The Europeans don't "own" anything. To pretend there is nothing comeing out of Japan, is the same reason the US got spanked in the 70's.

I don't blame you I blame the computer , we must read "BOOKS"

Yes we must read books. Perhaps you ought to start with a grammar book, then move onto a dictionary. Then come back. Batting you around like a rat by a cat is fun.

[SlumpBuster]

I'm done with Melvin until and unless he confirms that he is not a native english speaker or is physically unable to properly use a keyboard. How does Melvin bemoan the state of US schools when guys like Bert has better English grammer, vocabulary, and punctuation than this FOP? If US schools have failed, then they have perhaps failed Melvin the most. Unless, of course he is not native or is using a voice recognition program, for example.


On second thought, who am I kidding... I'll never be done with Melvin. He is too juicy and flavorful.

[Rich-n-Texas]

Methinks he's using some speech-recognition software - he's making a lot of the same grammatical mistakes - too many for coincidence. The "or"/"are" thing makes it hard to follow at times. Good on him for bashing our schools though.

I'm leaning in this direction also.

[JSE]

Who we talkin' bout here? Pix or Melvin?

Methinks he's using some speech-recognition software - he's making a lot of the same grammatical mistakes - too many for coincidence. The "or"/"are" thing makes it hard to follow at times. Good on him for bashing our schools though.

Ding Ding Ding! And the winner is Kex for outing Pix/Melvin!

It never even registered with me until I saw your post. Now it seems clear.

And BTW, it appears our old friend Lex/TLADINY/PS is back with us as well with definitely one new Screen Name and maybe 2 or 3 others.

JSE

[GMichael]

Ding Ding Ding! And the winner is Kex for outing Pix/Melvin!

It never even registered with me until I saw your post. Now it seems clear.

And BTW, it appears our old friend Lex/TLADINY/PS is back with us as well with definitely one new Screen Name and maybe 2 or 3 others.

JSE

Actually, Kex is only the second person that I've seen make this statement.

[Ajani]

I'm done with Melvin until and unless he confirms that he is not a native english speaker or is physically unable to properly use a keyboard. How does Melvin bemoan the state of US schools when guys like Bert has better English grammer, vocabulary, and punctuation than this FOP? If US schools have failed, then they have perhaps failed Melvin the most. Unless, of course he is not native or is using a voice recognition program, for example.


On second thought, who am I kidding... I'll never be done with Melvin. He is too juicy and flavorful.

Melvin is juicy and flavorful?

Ummmm....

Ok then.....

[SlumpBuster]

Melvin is juicy and flavorful?

Ummmm....

Ok then.....

Mmmmmmmm......Melvin.... Uhrrlrlrehlehhgglggllgghah!

[E-Stat]

How many FI Championships has Honda won ?

Six in a row from 1986-1991. Unlike BMW, Honda is also competitive at the international level with their motorcycles. Add twelve more.

Only Ford Motor Company has won an international championship as a non European

See above for correct answer.

The first successful Ford GT'40s were driven by European drivers.

The correct answer is Americans Dan Gurney, Jerry Grant, Mark Donahue, and Mario Andretti were among the drivers involved in the historic 1-2-3 finish at the Le Mans 'Vingt-Quatre Heures in '66.

We're still talking about cars?

rw

[SlumpBuster]

Check me out! Am I driving to work or am I winning Le Mans?!?
You be the judge!

Get a load of my fly lane incursion!

[E-Stat]

A Nascar would crush your beloved F1...

Let's not go overboard here. While that would be true in a frontal collision, there is little to compare from a performance perspective. A carbon fiber bodied F1 chassis weighs about a third that of a stocker and has the same power (depending on which year formula you choose). A stocker would be launched off the track sideways into the parking lot at the 4G lateral cornering capability of F1 cars. Braking capability is likewise in a different ball park.

Arguably, NASCAR is more entertaining to watch because of the many lead changes and of course, 'rubbin's racin'. Having said that, I've attended two GPs at Indy. I've heard large displacement V-8s before, but there's nothing like the shriek of an F1's engine at 18,000 RPM. They use pneumatically actuated valves.

rw

[JohnMichael]

Ding Ding Ding! And the winner is Kex for outing Pix/Melvin!

It never even registered with me until I saw your post. Now it seems clear.

And BTW, it appears our old friend Lex/TLADINY/PS is back with us as well with definitely one new Screen Name and maybe 2 or 3 others.

JSE

Melvin seems to be just Melvin, sadly, misinformation and all.

[markw]

I've heard large displacement V-8s before, but there's nothing like the shriek of an F1's engine at 18,000 RPM. They use pneumatically actuated valves.

You should try standing three feet away from a top fuel dragster when it boots up. The ground literally shakes and your guts feel like they're made of jello. That's a once in a lifetime thing in my book.

CART races are fun, though.

[melvin walker]

I only request your reply be even more vague than the above example of your nonsensical writing. What year are you discussing? When was McLaren penalized? Every year? One year? Mercedes lost all its points wh





I don't really care what your friends call them. A Nascar would crush your beloved F1, and keep running all day long. And you are aware that Nascar does run a road circuit with turns right? A race without turns is a drag race. Incidently, a dragster would kill an F1 in acceleration as we



I see. Now you want to change the original question to fit your arguement. Before it was how may races has the japanese won. Now its championships. Your a loser, and can't even admit it.



You must be drunk. Put down the scotch old man, its only 1:15 CST. The Europeans don't "own" anything. To pretend there is nothing comeing out of Japan, is the same reason the US got spanked in the 70's.



Yes we must read books. Perhaps you ought to start with a grammar book, then move onto a dictionary. Then come back. Batting you around like a rat by a cat is fun.

Man go to the F1 website and read. There you will find the answers to all your questions.
As for as the Japanese spanking America in the 1970's , take a look at the Japanese GNP , than take a look at the United States GNP. Now and in 1970.

Nascar is for the "Good ole Boys" country , whiskey running. Cheap American iron.
Drag racing is for those who race on a limited budget. Come think of it so is Nascar.
Don't drink, smoke or chew. I do read . You should try that some time.
it is said that reading helps separate the man from the Ape. How long are your arms ?
Better watch out now I am beginning to sound like the rest of you.
Last comment on this issue.

[Rich-n-Texas]

You should try standing three feet away from a top fuel dragster when it boots up. The ground literally shakes and your guts feel like they're made of jello. That's a once in a lifetime thing in my book.

Englishtown right?

I started an annual treck to the Texas Motorplex to see the O'Reilly Nationals with some of my co-workers a few years ago, and everytime a newbie came along; to see the look on his/her face when a top fueler's scootin' down the 1/4 is priceless, just priceless. I want that same chest thumping action out of my sub!

[GMichael]

You should try standing three feet away from a top fuel dragster when it boots up. The ground literally shakes and your guts feel like they're made of jello. That's a once in a lifetime thing in my book.

CART races are fun, though.

Yeah, once was enough for me. Couldn't stop my ears from ringing for a week.

But yeah, they was fast!

We sat though all the early races. 440's, 427's, 428's, 4 barrel carbs, double 4 barrels, 6 packs etc. All the cars we THOUGHT were fast.
1st geeeeeeeeeeeeer
2nd geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer
3rd geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer
4th geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Then the top fuelers came out.
Just
ROAAAAAR.. done.
Holey chit!

[GMichael]

Englishtown right?

I started an annual treck to the Texas Motorplex to see the O'Reilly Nationals with some of my co-workers a few years ago, and everytime a newbie came along; to see the look on his/her face when a top fueler's scootin' down the 1/4 is priceless, just priceless. I want that same chest thumping action out of my sub!

Better get stronger glass in them windows!

[melvin walker]

Let's not go overboard here. While that would be true in a frontal collision, there is little to compare from a performance perspective. A carbon fiber bodied F1 chassis weighs about a third that of a stocker and has the same power (depending on which year formula you choose). A stocker would be launched off the track sideways into the parking lot at the 4G lateral cornering capability of F1 cars. Braking capability is likewise in a different ball park.

Arguably, NASCAR is more entertaining to watch because of the many lead changes and of course, 'rubbin's racin'. Having said that, I've attended two GPs at Indy. I've heard large displacement V-8s before, but there's nothing like the shriek of an F1's engine at 18,000 RPM. They use pneumatically actuated valves.

rw

There is a man that not only reads but understands what he reads. You are correct , I might add that a F1 car cost 10 times more to development and the cost to race them is hundreds times more. In The Manufacture Sports Car Championship the cost is also very high. That is why only factory sponsored cars win championships.
Sport cars are much more powerful than Nascar's cars. Unless limited sport cars can have horsepower in excess of 1000 horsepower.
The Porsche 917's in the 1970's maximum power output could exceed 1000bph ! and reach a top speed on the track of 239mph. From their 16 cylinder turbocharged engines .

I have attended F1 races in Europe but never one here in America. I have attended Manufacture Sports car racing many times here in America. Porsche club here in America goes out of their way in providing services to members at the races , many times free food , beverages and a place to mingle with other members.

The technology of these racing cars both F1 and sports is unbelievable.

[E-Stat]

You should try standing three feet away from a top fuel dragster when it boots up. The ground literally shakes and your guts feel like they're made of jello. That's a once in a lifetime thing in my book.

You have a good point about the 5k HP quarter-mile-orgasm fuelies. What's the MTBO for running those engines at speed? Thirty seconds?

rw

[Groundbeef]

Let's not go overboard here. While that would be true in a frontal collision, there is little to compare from a performance perspective. A carbon fiber bodied F1 chassis weighs about a third that of a stocker and has the same power (depending on which year formula you choose). A stocker would be launched off the track sideways into the parking lot at the 4G lateral cornering capability of F1 cars. Braking capability is likewise in a different ball park.

Arguably, NASCAR is more entertaining to watch because of the many lead changes and of course, 'rubbin's racin'. Having said that, I've attended two GPs at Indy. I've heard large displacement V-8s before, but there's nothing like the shriek of an F1's engine at 18,000 RPM. They use pneumatically actuated valves.

rw

No, I'm talking "physical crush". In a bump-n-grind the Nascar driver would drive away every time. That carbon fiber would dust up, (right after the wheels broke off).

F1 is fast, but it's "delicate".

I'm more of a slow paced racer. Demo Derby is more my speed. If you've never seen the movie Jackass before, rent it. There are only 2 good parts, but its worth the $2 rental for them.

1 of them is titled "Rental Car Demolition Derby". All I will say is that the Jackass crew rent a car from a local rental place and enter it in a demo derby. It was a BRAND new car. Just imagine the hilarity when they return it. It makes me laugh thinking about it.

[markw]

Englishtown right?

I started an annual treck to the Texas Motorplex to see the O'Reilly Nationals with some of my co-workers a few years ago, and everytime a newbie came along; to see the look on his/her face when a top fueler's scootin' down the 1/4 is priceless, just priceless. I want that same chest thumping action out of my sub!

We used to do work for a local autompbile parts chain and we got all kindsa comps to all kindsa races in the area. Along twith tMaple Shade, we also got passes to CART races in Nazarath. PA, NASCAR in Long Pond, PA, and even CART racing for the few years they had it in the Meadowlands in the late 80's.

Best part was the free sponsor food and preferrred seating. When the Porsche team had us in Nazarath, they served T-bones.

We got to meet all the big names. ...even did a few New Years Eve parties with the Andrettis in a club near their homes in the PA, and this was not part of the company perks.

but, they sold in the early 90's and all that went "poof!"

[melvin walker]

Better get stronger glass in them windows!

When I was a younger man I dragged raced , drove a Chevrolet 327 and later a Chevrolet 409
Raced in Alton,Illinois. That was doing the 1960's , I had a 1962 , 327 and a .1963 409.
Got out of drag racing when I purchased a 1964 327 Corvette.

I had a 1960 Chevrolet 284 but only raced on the street with that. Attended a number of drag races in the Midwest , also on the west coast.
Lots of fun , moved away from domestic cars when I bought a 1968 E-Type Jaguar.

In the 1960's the in thing was a Corvette and a Playboy Key. Corvette was stolen , got married the Playboy Club moved out of St.Louis. The bachelor in paradise days had come to an end !

[Groundbeef]

Drag racing is for those who race on a limited budget. Come think of it so is Nascar.

Last comment on this issue.

Ok, first the obvious stupidity of your response. All race teams are on a "limited budget". Name me 1 F1 team that is on an unlimited budget. There are none. They may have larger budgets, but its not unlimited. BMW, Mercedes, and the rest of the lot all have budgets.

And unless you are Warren Buffet, I seriously doubt you could underwrite the cost of a Nascar or Drag Race team.

The breadth of your idiocy has no bounds I see.

BTW nice sidestep on E-stat spanking your ass about no Japanese winning F1 championships. I don't suppose you care to address that issue?