Troy's Avatar Thread...

[Geoffcin]

I tried twice this holiday break to see this movie but all the 3D screens are booked days in advance. Our schedule is such that we can't commit days away for a movie. There are only a couple of IMAX screens in and around the Puget Sound and requires quite an effort to see a movie on one of them.

It's the same way here and we've got several IMAX theaters within a half hour drive. I wouldn't worry about not getting to see it though, as it looks like Avatar will be playing for quite some time.

My advice is that if there's a chance that your not going to be able to buy tickets at the venue then it's best to buy them ahead of time online.

[nightflier]

Not to be a party-crasher, but any idea when it will be out on disk/BR for purchase?

[E-Stat]

Not to be a party-crasher, but any idea when it will be out on disk/BR for purchase?

Give it at least six months. It just crested the $1B mark recently.

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[Geoffcin]

Not to be a party-crasher, but any idea when it will be out on disk/BR for purchase?

Probably a few weeks before "Avatar part deux" hits the theaters.

[Geoffcin]

Avatar has overtaken "Return of the King" as the second highest grossing picture of all time.

http://filmonic.com/avatar-overtakes...f-the-king-762

And I haven't even gotten to see it again!

[jvc]

We went this past Sunday to see it, at an Imax theater in 3D. A bit too much tree hugging, but not too bad. The 3D effects are spectacular! They alone, are worth seeing the movie. With all the talk about 3D being the big thing at CES, and the coming thing in home theaters, if it's 3D like used in Avatar, I'll definitely embrace the technology. But I'll have nothing to do with the red & blue lens crap.

[nightflier]

So will the DVD be in 3D (lenses included, I presume)?

[Kam]

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It's about time someone else saw the blatant way Cameron was discussing the issues of Clavamox through the plight of the N'avi! I knew someone else would see the similarities between the way clavulanic acid is excreted in the urine within the first 6 hours and how Jake Sully would connect to Neytiri.

Finally!! Someone gets it!!

[Feanor]

It's about time someone else saw the blatant way Cameron was discussing the issues of Clavamox through the plight of the N'avi! I knew someone else would see the similarities between the way clavulanic acid is excreted in the urine within the first 6 hours and how Jake Sully would connect to Neytiri.

Finally!! Someone gets it!!

WTF is this all about, and why does it matter?

[Kam]

WTF is this all about, and why does it matter?

in all seriousness i would guess it's a pure spam post. i was just having fun.

[GMichael]

in all seriousness i would guess it's a pure spam post. i was just having fun.

I got that part. Keep up the good work KAM. It's great to see you around lately.

[Kam]

ok now the clavamox relation to the n'avis plight and the jack sully connection i thought was pretty blatantly obvious. but stromectal? please, were we watching the same movie?

i think you might be confusing clash of the titans, seeing as the same actor was in both movies, as stromectal is far more relevant to clash of the titans than it is avatar. seriously, this is rediculous. stromectal and avatar. hahahaha. that's just ludicrous. now who wants to talk about stromectal and clash of the titans? there is an amazing discussion if i ever heard of one.

[Gerald Cooperberg]

Via the AV Club, there is supposedly a sex scene that was cut from the movie that will be included on the DVD:

There's only one semi-sexy scene in James Cameron's blockbuster "Avatar," but what couldn't be shown in theaters you'll be able to watch in the privacy of your own home.

Cameron admitted in a recent group interview that "Avatar" did have a sex scene between Zoe Saldana's Neytiri, a Na’vi, and the avatar of Sam Worthington's character, Jake Sully, but he cut it out in favor of a PG-13 rating.

"That [scene] will be something for the special edition DVD, if you want to see how they have sex," Cameron said.

Uh, Coop

[Troy]

Via the AV Club, there is supposedly a sex scene that was cut from the movie that will be included on the DVD:
Uh, Coop

Yeah, I heard about this. Already pimping the DVD, are they?

I think the Na'vi' version of Sigourney Weaver is the sexiest cartoon character since Jessica Rabbit.

[Geoffcin]

Yeah, I heard about this. Already pimping the DVD, are they?

I think the Na'vi' version of Sigourney Weaver is the sexiest cartoon character since Jessica Rabbit.

While I agree with your sentiments re; Sigourney, you really can't call any of the principle Na'vi characters "cartoons" since their movement was done by direct motion capture. They are more like enhanced visual representations of the actors. In effect the Avatars were digitally painted onto the actors. Certainly there's no scene in the whole film that looks "cartoonish" in any way.

This actually bring us an interesting conundrum. There's no way that Avatar is not going to get nominated for a host of Oscars.With that being said, how would you go about awarding something to Zoe Saldana? Best Actress? Certainly she's done much more than voice over work, and in any other movie that's what she would get nominated for. Remember it's not just the gross physical motion either, all the facial expressions were done by direct capture too. Does that diminish the actor's input to the point of NOT being able to be nominated for an award?

Certainly if the academy overlooks Zoe's performance, one that I thought stood out as very Oscar worthy, they are going to piss off both her and more importantly Cameron, and you don't piss off your #1 money maker. Avatar may wind up to be the highest grossing movie of all time! It's going to be interesting to see how the academy figures this all out. They might even have to add a new category, or several!

[Gerald Cooperberg]

This actually bring us an interesting conundrum. There's no way that Avatar is not going to get nominated for a host of Oscars.With that being said, how would you go about awarding something to Zoe Saldana? Best Actress? Certainly she's done much more than voice over work, and in any other movie that's what she would get nominated for. Remember it's not just the gross physical motion either, all the facial expressions were done by direct capture too. Does that diminish the actor's input to the point of NOT being able to be nominated for an award?

Didn't this same debate rear its head with Gollum (and to a lesser extent Andy Serkis' performance as King Kong)? I guess Brad Pitt got nominated for Benjamin Button, which isn't that far off. Would it change your opinion if it wasn't motion capture? What if the animator just modeled the facial expressions on the voice-over actor (which happens a lot, right)? Is the whole notion of nominating individual actors willfully ignoring that most acting performances also bear the fingerprints of the director (or animator, etc) and aren't always an individual feat as we'd like to believe?

-Coop

[emaidel]

Well, everyone's had his say, and now it's time for me to join in. I saw Avatar a couple of weeks ago and am still in awe of how good a film it is. I totally disagree with the negative comments about the writing of the film, and found it one of the most dazzling visual feasts, and emotionally involving films I've ever seen.

I found The Abyss a bit long and slow, but ultimately worthwhile. Aliens was a helluva scary and exciting horror flick, and far and away the best of the three Alien films. Terminator 2 likewise was the best of that cycle, and while not the most intellectually-inspiring film ever made, it was superb film-making. Titanic blew me away, by managing to keep my full attention for its 3-hour length with a rather sappy love story, and my actually caring for the characters. It also set all-new CGI standards for the day.

I disagree with comments that Ratatouille was "peurile," as I found that animated film exceptionally entertaining, and considerably above others of that ilk. Star Trek, released this past summer, was far and away the best film in that series - ever, and well worth the praise it received from critics nationwide.

My two cents.

[Troy]

While I agree with your sentiments re; Sigourney, you really can't call any of the principle Na'vi characters "cartoons" since their movement was done by direct motion capture. They are more like enhanced visual representations of the actors. In effect the Avatars were digitally painted onto the actors. Certainly there's no scene in the whole film that looks "cartoonish" in any way.

Maybe to you. While Avatar is quite advanced over past motion capture characters, there is still no mistaking that they are animated. And they have features that are exaggerated. Cartoonish? That's just semantics. Do they have to appear cartoonish (IE: like Elmer Fudd) for the animation to be considered a cartoon? I say no. Animation=Cartoon.

This actually bring us an interesting conundrum. There's no way that Avatar is not going to get nominated for a host of Oscars.With that being said, how would you go about awarding something to Zoe Saldana? Best Actress? Certainly she's done much more than voice over work, and in any other movie that's what she would get nominated for. Remember it's not just the gross physical motion either, all the facial expressions were done by direct capture too. Does that diminish the actor's input to the point of NOT being able to be nominated for an award?

Motion capture=animation. Period. Animated characters have never been eligible for acting oscar® contention.

Yes, MC introduces an interesting conundrum. I have no idea how you determine where the line is for an actor getting a nomination if the character they portray is animated.

Certainly if the academy overlooks Zoe's performance, one that I thought stood out as very Oscar worthy, they are going to piss off both her and more importantly Cameron, and you don't piss off your #1 money maker. Avatar may wind up to be the highest grossing movie of all time! It's going to be interesting to see how the academy figures this all out. They might even have to add a new category, or several!

Well, I'm gonna disagree, there isn't a single acting performance in Avatar (animated or otherwise) that deserves a nomination, so we don't have to worry about it. Yet.

I suspect most actors don't like the idea of animated characters getting oscar® noms, whether they are MC or not.

I also think that your " you don't piss off your #1 money maker." comment, as it applies to acting nominations doesn't hold water. While this is true for most of the other major oscar® categories, the acting oscars® usually have nothing to do with box office. A look at nominations of the past will bear this out.

And to anyone that finds the writing in Avatar to be good, I direct you to this hilarious gem I found on the internets:

[Feanor]

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And to anyone that finds the writing in Avatar to be good, I direct you to this hilarious gem I found on the internets:

So what's your point, Troy? I'm told there are only ten [edit] seven [/edit] basic plots in all of literature. Is it a big deal if Avatar uses one of them?

By the way, I think Stephen Lang's portrayal of Colonel Miles Quaritch was about perfect as the character allowed.

[Tarheel_]

Maybe to you. While Avatar is quite advanced over past motion capture characters, there is still no mistaking that they are animated. And they have features that are exaggerated. Cartoonish? That's just semantics. Do they have to appear cartoonish (IE: like Elmer Fudd) for the animation to be considered a cartoon? I say no. Animation=Cartoon.



Motion capture=animation. Period. Animated characters have never been eligible for acting oscar® contention.

Yes, MC introduces an interesting conundrum. I have no idea how you determine where the line is for an actor getting a nomination if the character they portray is animated.



Well, I'm gonna disagree, there isn't a single acting performance in Avatar (animated or otherwise) that deserves a nomination, so we don't have to worry about it. Yet.

I suspect most actors don't like the idea of animated characters getting oscar® noms, whether they are MC or not.

I also think that your " you don't piss off your #1 money maker." comment, as it applies to acting nominations doesn't hold water. While this is true for most of the other major oscar® categories, the acting oscars® usually have nothing to do with box office. A look at nominations of the past will bear this out.

And to anyone that finds the writing in Avatar to be good, I direct you to this hilarious gem I found on the internets:

Boy am I glad to find this...i tried to explain this movie to my wife (didn't see the movie) and said basically the whole Cowboy -- Indian story and this thread just proves what i was trying to say...what a joke. We were so disappointed in this movie because the lack of originality.
Could care less if i see it again. A remake sure, but don't pitch it as something new.

[nightflier]

Adding a new category for actor and actress, would certainly make the event a little more than a winner-takes-all kind of affair - twice as many chances to get an award or nomination.

[Troy]

Adding a new category for actor and actress, would certainly make the event a little more than a winner-takes-all kind of affair - twice as many chances to get an award or nomination.

I disagree with this too. The more awards given, the more it dilutes the meaning of winning that award. It cheapens the brand. The increase from 5 to 10 nominations and the addition of the animated category are both bad moves. But the oscars are more about business now then they've ever been, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them add still more categories and noms every year.

Plus, the stupid show will be 13 hours long.

[thekid]

Well my wife and I felt compelled to finally see this today. Thankfully we saw it in 3D.
I am sure I am raining on a lot of people's parade but if I was to sum this movie up it would be;

Dances With Wolves+Ewoks+Revenge of an Inconvienient Truth = Avatar

Visually stunning and great soundwork but an obvious and unoriginal story. I hope it does well in the technical categories tonight but it should not be "Best Picture".

Just my 2 cents....

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Well my wife and I felt compelled to finally see this today. Thankfully we saw it in 3D.
I am sure I am raining on a lot of people's parade but if I was to sum this movie up it would be;

Dances With Wolves+Ewoks+Revenge of an Inconvienient Truth = Avatar

Visually stunning and great soundwork but an obvious and unoriginal story. I hope it does well in the technical categories tonight but it should not be "Best Picture".

Just my 2 cents....

Nah, no rain here. Nobody can overwrite my own personal opinion of anything based on entertainment. That is a to each his own area.

[Worf101]

Well my wife and I felt compelled to finally see this today. Thankfully we saw it in 3D.
I am sure I am raining on a lot of people's parade but if I was to sum this movie up it would be;

Dances With Wolves+Ewoks+Revenge of an Inconvienient Truth = Avatar

Visually stunning and great soundwork but an obvious and unoriginal story. I hope it does well in the technical categories tonight but it should not be "Best Picture".

Just my 2 cents....

Seems like the Academy listened to you afterall there Keed. Congrats.

Worf