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JSE wakes up, looks around to find his grass skirt. Everything is blurry? Must be the water cooler bottle his head is stuck in. Takes bottle off head, looks around to see GMichael out cold with a big lump on his head. WTF? Speed's laying on the coffee table, FA has a lamp shade around her neck, Worf, is passed out cold on the Barko-Lounger also with a big lump on his head. Oh wait, that's a Klingon (sp?) mask. JSE looks up and sees G's wife standing over him with a seriously pissed off look on her face and has Kam and Kex by the collar. As everyones gets up to leave JSE notices a huge sword stuck into G's front door. The blade has Sir TT engraved in it? :shocked:
Great Party!
Now, back to Lost.
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Hey JSE, congrats on the big 1-triple-donut... twice the number of this Lost thread at the time of this posting!
You da man!
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GM wakes up. Tries to shave his tongue with a tip-tapper. Pulls the chalk out of his mouth and takes a sip of warm beer. Tries to get up but can't get one leg to move. Ouch! My head! WTF happened to my forehead? Wifey walks in and glares at him. GM bursts into flames. Kex throws what looks like water onto him. Woooooof! I guess it wasn't water.
Great party JSE!
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Mike wakes up. Looks around to see his furniture all broken up. Everything is soaking wet. Some guy is sleeping in a bath tub, and some girl in the other one. Makes his way downstairs to find three more sleeping on the pool table. The music is still at full volume even though two drivers are ripped apart and sound like a wounded duck trying to fly through a wind tunnel.
Then a thought comes to mind. Isn't today Wednesday. He runs back upstairs to check his computer for LOST posts. D'm computer is on the floor and some fool is sleeping on the desk. He takes the CPU and plugs it into the projector. Ah..., back in business now. Hey gang. What's up for tonight's show? No answer? Where is everyone?
WAKE UP!!!!
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I predict this is the show where Michael and Walt return to the story...
Wonder how those actor contracts work - does Michael get paid for sitting on his but for a season and a half?
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Michael & Walt? Were they at the party?
Paid for watching? Hmmm....
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Hokay....
Fearless Predictions:
1. Locke brings back daddy's bones only to find out he's be pimped by Ben and da boys once again. He becomes an even more implacabble enemy.
2. Raid gets carried off a day early. The Other's are ALWAYS ahead of the game. They know what the Losties will do before they do it. Sun is kidnapped. Jin loses his natural mind.. again. Jin, Sawyer and Sayeed posse up to go get her back.
3. Mole girl gets outed but Jack's been playing her all along. He may be dense but he's not THAT stupid.
4. Hurley dievelops a crush on Chute girl only to have her die next week.
5. Weasel boy finally gets "planted" once and for all.
6. Desmond says "brother"
7. Hurley says "dude".
Da Worfster
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Fearless Predictions:
1. Locke brings back daddy's bones only to find out he's be pimped by Ben and da boys once again. He becomes an even more implacabble enemy.
Why didn't he just bring the head? I think that Ben lied. Duh. Locke wasn't special because he would kill his father. He was special because he wouldn't. Now he just proved Ben right. Again! The other Others will look down on him now. Not sure if they will care or not when they find out that he didn't do the actual killing. But that's not till next season. Maybe.
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2. Raid gets carried off a day early. The Other's are ALWAYS ahead of the game. They know what the Losties will do before they do it. Sun is kidnapped. Jin loses his natural mind.. again. Jin, Sawyer and Sayeed posse up to go get her back.
Too easy.
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3. Mole girl gets outed but Jack's been playing her all along. He may be dense but he's not THAT stupid.
Mole girl switches sides to help Jack but Ben sees it coming and stops her. He had another tape recorder and heard her say that she hates him. Was all part of his Dick Dasterdly plan. Trial number 2.
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4. Hurley dievelops a crush on Chute girl only to have her die next week.
Chute girl thinks he's funny but wants James instead. Uses Hurley to get to him.
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5. Weasel boy finally gets "planted" once and for all.
But he comes back as a 6 foot tall bunny with human slippers.
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6. Desmond says "brother"
That's Brutha..
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7. Hurley says "dude".
Dude.......
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Da Worfster
Who else?
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Locke is dead...or is he? My guess is either some Other will help him (possibly the dude that gave him the dossier on Sawyer) when Ben returns w/o him or the island heals him. I would be very surprised to see the writers kill off one of the shows most popular characters with three years left to play out. I did l love Ben's reactions as he was quickly losing the Others to Locke! It was perfectly paced with his back story and how self conscious he was as child. Gotta admit, his dad was a piece of work. No Father's Day cards for him, eh? Still, as bad as he was his 'ol man still never went Jim Jones on everyone like Ben.
While the Purgatory theme seems too obvious, it does answer a lot of questions. One being how he could see his dead mom, just as Jack saw his dad. I also wonder if "Jacob" is actually some part of Ben, perhaps his conscious mind in the real world and he's trapped in a coma or whatnot. Maybe this whole thing is merely a dream while Ben is taking a shower? :p
Of course, the biggest question of the show is: What happened to Annie?
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So that's what happened to the Dharma Initiative folks....Well, last night's show certainly put an interesting spin on things...
Interesting how Ben killed his father, then later asked Locke to do the same thing. And equally interesting that Ben's mom died giving birth (or thereabouts). I don't think that's coincidence. Geez, lots of moms n' dads dying on this show.
Okay. Where did the "hostiles" or island natives come from? We saw Jacob in that propaganda film that Danielle's boyfriend was subjected too. Seems to me Jacob was subtly dropped at least one other time in the series, anyone remember? I think this Jacob dude is real, Locke heard/saw him for a second there in that blair witch hut.
Now we know Mikhael didn't die, he just got ko'd by the sonic beam thingy at a low setting.
So we still don't know the deal with Jack and Juliet, but the show's suggesting she isn't a total turncoat and that Jack hasn't defected.
Was it me, or did that shot of Ben's watch show the time at 4 PM, with the second hand on 15??? Still teasing us with those numbers.
Oh, that long haired dude that young Ben found in the forest - is that the same short haired dude that older Ben first saw when he took the gas mask off, and the same short haired dude that's hanging out at the Others camp? Guy doesn't look like he's aged a day!
Now I kinda get the feeling that the Others were waiting for Ben (the look on the long haired dude's face in the forest when Ben told him he saw his mom) and also waiting for Locke. Maybe they're suppose to duke it out for island supremacy...good vs evil show-down. It did seem like Ben was losing the control of the Others to Locke.
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Okay. Where did the "hostiles" or island natives come from? We saw Jacob in that propaganda film that Danielle's boyfriend was subjected too. Seems to me Jacob was subtly dropped at least one other time in the series, anyone remember? I think this Jacob dude is real, Locke heard/saw him for a second there in that blair witch hut.
Oh, that long haired dude that young Ben found in the forest - is that the same short haired dude that older Ben first saw when he took the gas mask off, and the same short haired dude that's hanging out at the Others camp? Guy doesn't look like he's aged a day!
Now I kinda get the feeling that the Others were waiting for Ben (the look on the long haired dude's face in the forest when Ben told him he saw his mom) and also waiting for Locke. Maybe they're suppose to duke it out for island supremacy...good vs evil show-down. It did seem like Ben was losing the control of the Others to Locke.
I think that the orginal "Other-Others" have been part of the island for a LONG time.
Yes, it IS the same guy that gave Juliett the 'drink' before she went into the sub, and the same guy that gave Locke the folder with Sawyer's info.
I did appear that they were waiting for someone to come and get them. (The Other-Others).
It was quite an Ahhhhh-haaaaa moment when Ben and dear ol'e Dad went driving in the microbus. Same one that Sawyer, and Jin found with Hurley a few episodes before.
As for Locke, he isn't dead. If Ben had capped him in the head before he left, then it would have been over. But Locke heals pretty quick. He'll be up before 2 episodes pass.
Things will get interesting as Ben will try to assert his power over the group, and once again, Locke will "Rise from the Ashes" and reduce Ben's power once again.
As the one eyed guy asked "When do YOU take orders from anyone?" when Locke told everyone that they were going to Jacob. I don't think that Ben likes to be pushed, and it was great to see Locke prodding him along.
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Oh, that long haired dude that young Ben found in the forest - is that the same short haired dude that older Ben first saw when he took the gas mask off, and the same short haired dude that's hanging out at the Others camp? Guy doesn't look like he's aged a day!
...the same guy who recruited Juliette?
jimHJJ(...I still think there's a "Forbidden Planet"/"The Tempest" vibe about it all...)
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Great episode... Finally!!!
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So that's what happened to the Dharma Initiative folks....Well, last night's show certainly put an interesting spin on things...
Interesting how Ben killed his father, then later asked Locke to do the same thing. And equally interesting that Ben's mom died giving birth (or thereabouts). I don't think that's coincidence. Geez, lots of moms n' dads dying on this show.
Okay. Where did the "hostiles" or island natives come from? We saw Jacob in that propaganda film that Danielle's boyfriend was subjected too. Seems to me Jacob was subtly dropped at least one other time in the series, anyone remember? I think this Jacob dude is real, Locke heard/saw him for a second there in that blair witch hut.
Now we know Mikhael didn't die, he just got ko'd by the sonic beam thingy at a low setting.
So we still don't know the deal with Jack and Juliet, but the show's suggesting she isn't a total turncoat and that Jack hasn't defected.
Was it me, or did that shot of Ben's watch show the time at 4 PM, with the second hand on 15??? Still teasing us with those numbers.
Oh, that long haired dude that young Ben found in the forest - is that the same short haired dude that older Ben first saw when he took the gas mask off, and the same short haired dude that's hanging out at the Others camp? Guy doesn't look like he's aged a day!
Now I kinda get the feeling that the Others were waiting for Ben (the look on the long haired dude's face in the forest when Ben told him he saw his mom) and also waiting for Locke. Maybe they're suppose to duke it out for island supremacy...good vs evil show-down. It did seem like Ben was losing the control of the Others to Locke.
The long haired dude in the forest. That's the interesting thing. He hasn't aged a day. Could've been part of the wrecked Galleon's crew for all we know. But they're sophisticated enough to use poison gas, and automatic weapons.
Locke will live. The Others/Hostiles could date back to WWII or The Cold War. They stumbled on to the Island during the Pacific Campaigns and have been trying to study it ever since, but the anomoly has cut them off from the mainland for decades. Other's don't age, fountain of youth, willing to kill to keep it. Maybe they are in LIMBO and Jacob/Jacob's ladder is the only way up and out to one's loved ones. Who the hell knows...
Da Worfster
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Other's don't age, fountain of youth, willing to kill to keep it. Maybe they are in LIMBO and Jacob/Jacob's ladder is the only way up and out to one's loved ones. Who the hell knows...
Da Worfster
I dunno, Roussea's kid, and young Ben seemed to age pretty well.
Man, just when you think Ben is a total nutcase delusional freak, Jacob whispers a few things and starts going angry Jedi inside the hut.
Good call on Locke healing and coming back. Either that or someone will rescue him. Maybe Jacob will help him as Ben taunted?
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holy minkey!!! what an episode! it really seems like the best thing to happen to the show was finalize the date it's going to finish. they've really started to focus the story bigtime now.
ok..so everyone's said it, let's get some 'anomolies' out there.
1. born vs. brought and age on the island. the Hostiles... if they were the only ones born on the island, maybe they don't age. hence the suddenly susan dude being the same age with ben as a little boy and not aged a bit when ben is now... 40+ years older?
edit: but alex was born on the island? and so was aaron? maybe it's a generational thing...?
2. locke's communion with the island - i think the island wants to save locke. hence why it paralyzed him very briefly again and forced boone to go up into the unstable plane and die in locke's place. locke is special, kinda like neo was told by the oracle he wasn't the one. the island heals normal people just fine (jin's super sperm) but with locke, it's going nutso. also why Cerebrus/smokey hasn't killed locke once. in fact, the only time it actually did anything to him, it wanted to take him down into.. tartarus? hades?
3. the island spirits - little ben heard those whispers that everyone has heard while trudging through the forest... but as he ran, he did NOT see his mom, he saw Suddenly Susan Dude. Just like everytime our losties heard the whispers in the forest, they did NOT encounter a spirit, but a real life person. (sayid just escaped from rousseau/ or just on his way to rousseau? the losties and tailies reunion, etc). BUT... are they spirits? shannon saw Walt when we knew walt wasn't dead. that's the next (amongst many) puzzle pieces we gotta get some answer too...
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locke's communion with the island - i think the island wants to save locke.
Is the island Jacob? Don't forget, Jacob asked Locke to "Help Me." Maybe Jacob wants Locke to take down Ben, who by all acounts is an egomaniacal psychopath.
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Is the island Jacob? Don't forget, Jacob asked Locke to "Help Me." Maybe Jacob wants Locke to take down Ben, who by all acounts is an egomaniacal psychopath.
could be... we also had juliette's sister back in portland named Rachel. Jacob's wife's name in the bible.
trying to find the screencapture online, but i swore they showed an old dude right before or right after locke heard the 'help me' line, and then again showed him sitting in the chair. which could just be the island's physical manifestation of itself so locke/ben could "see" the island.
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The 11 Frames of Jacob
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could be... we also had juliette's sister back in portland named Rachel. Jacob's wife's name in the bible.
trying to find the screencapture online, but i swore they showed an old dude right before or right after locke heard the 'help me' line, and then again showed him sitting in the chair. which could just be the island's physical manifestation of itself so locke/ben could "see" the island.
Kamster, my wife and I saw the old lookin' dude in the chair too...either we're watching too much tv or we were meant to see it.
I'd assume that was Jacob since Ben was talking in that general direction.
Maybe Locke's ESP had to develop enough to be able to see/hear Jacob? Ben did seem genuinely confused that Locke couldn't see Jacob....
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Wow! :yikes:
I didn't notice Jacob at all! I'm going to check my Tivo! BTW, is it mere coicidence that Jacob has more than a passing resemblance to Jesus? The hair, even the facial structure, is very close to most Christian imagery. Very cool find there, Kam!
What if Ben is actually Satan and isn't allowing lost souls (sorry, couldn't resist ;) ) to pass through to heaven? Maybe that is why he is so afraid of losing control to Locke, or anyone else for that matter. Locke represents independent thinking while the others, whether Losties or Others, are all basically sheep following either Jack or Ben.
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Wow! :yikes:
I didn't notice Jacob at all! I'm going to check my Tivo! BTW, is it mere coicidence that Jacob has more than a passing resemblance to Jesus? The hair, even the facial structure, is very close to most Christian imagery. Very cool find there, Kam!
What if Ben is actually Satan and isn't allowing lost souls (sorry, couldn't resist ;) ) to pass through to heaven? Maybe that is why he is so afraid of losing control to Locke, or anyone else for that matter. Locke represents independent thinking while the others, whether Losties or Others, are all basically sheep following either Jack or Ben.
Actually, it kinda looked like Locke with hair.
Ben is NOT Satan. As the directors have said, the Losties are not in limbo, pergutory, or anyother state of suspended life.
And, its not really fair to lump Jack with Ben. Unlike Ben, Jack was thrust into the de Facto leader due to his skills, and general lack of desire of anyone else to be the leader. Jack is more of the situation leader, and after the losties are found (if ever) I think he would rather not be the leader. Also, after Jack was captured, the Losties really didn't dissolve, but just 'assumed' another leader. At one point Locke was kinda the group head, and then Sawyer started to assert influence.
Ben on the 'other' (hehheheh) hand pretty much chose to be the leader by killing off the original camp. Thus ensuring his dominance over the rest of the group.
But it appears that if Ben were removed as head honcho, there isn't really any one willing or able to take over the camp. Thats what makes Lockes intereference with Ben all the more disturbing for both Ben, and the Group. The 'others' are more like a Cult than a group.
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Actually, it kinda looked like Locke with hair.
Ben is NOT Satan. As the directors have said, the Losties are not in limbo, pergutory, or anyother state of suspended life.
And, its not really fair to lump Jack with Ben. Unlike Ben, Jack was thrust into the de Facto leader due to his skills, and general lack of desire of anyone else to be the leader.
Ben on the 'other' (hehheheh) hand pretty much chose to be the leader by killing off the original camp. Thus ensuring his dominance over the rest of the group.
So if Locke was to kill Ben, he would become the new Other's leader?
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Ok, so read a theory on one of the other boards and it sprang an idea in my head.
That guy's (Aaron to give credit, from http://theoriesonlost.blogspot.com/ ) theory goes like this: The island's original inhabitants were killed by the volcanic explosion (the 4 toed statue building people, whoever they were), but their spirits are on the island as smokey, and appear as the lost ones of people on the island (ben's mom, jack's dad, etc.) and Ben managed to trap that smoke monster/spirit/whatever that manifested itself as his dad. So that Jacob is actually Ben's dad's spirit thingy that is trapped by that ring of (volcanic?) ash around the hut. and Ben uses that to control the Others.
Now... what i'm thinking is what if anyone who dies on the island becomes a smokey monster. This would fit with smokey being Cerebrus. smokey lets out from the Underworld those souls that are still there, not quite in the elysium fields, but in the apochal fields (or whatever it's called the one where they just mill around for an eternity?).
So far, with the exception of Ben's mom, every dead person spirit we've seen on the island, has been on the island. Jack's dad (his coffin was on the plane)... Eko's brother... on the island from the plane... Jacob (if it is ben's dad). BUT ben seeing his mom throws one twist into that theory....
And now the doozy... jacob stays seated the entire time in the scene... because he can't stand... because he is LOCKE!!!
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So if Locke was to kill Ben, he would become the new Other's leader?
I think the Others have been waiting for both Ben AND Locke (they have said they've been waiting/expecting Locke in the past). Probably to complete their purpose/goal (whatever that is). Dont' think there''ll be a struggle for power, but rather that both Ben and Locke equally are respected or followed. Sometimes it seems as though Ben is the leader, other times it seems as though the Others follow a creed of some sort that leads them to disagree or overrule Ben.
I wonder if the Island is Eden?
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