My apologies for being LOST, but now I'm found.

[ForeverAutumn]

Well, I would never doubt Cookie. Besides, she looks like she a little electromagnetic thingy going on herself.

[Kam]

i agree with GB, i think Desmond is one the 'special' people that are linked through all timelines/dimensions. So Desmond has a knowing/feeling/memory/etc of each timeline and each eventuality and their outcomes. Just like he tried to prevent Charlie's death way back when, and how he wakes up between the flashbacks/sideways/forwards etc. with the knowledge/memory of the other side of things that he shouldn't have.

[kexodusc]

i agree with GB, i think Desmond is one the 'special' people that are linked through all timelines/dimensions. So Desmond has a knowing/feeling/memory/etc of each timeline and each eventuality and their outcomes. Just like he tried to prevent Charlie's death way back when, and how he wakes up between the flashbacks/sideways/forwards etc. with the knowledge/memory of the other side of things that he shouldn't have.

Yep, and somehow the electromagnetic stuff bring out his abiltiy to see/recall events - the visions of the future being able to see Charlie's death happened after the hatch blew up, right?

Cool.....

[Kam]

Yep, and somehow the electromagnetic stuff bring out his abiltiy to see/recall events - the visions of the future being able to see Charlie's death happened after the hatch blew up, right?

Cool.....

hmmmmm... and who else survived the hatch... Locke and Mr. Eko.

Smokey killed Eko and took over Locke. Looks like Desmond is the only one left that can defeat Smokey.

[Kam]

and in my latest crazy out there theories...

Has Hugo ever been in a position where we ever thought he might have died?

Asking, because i think Jacob is inside Hugo the way Smokey is in Locke.

[Kam]

and another:

What if Desmond gets the manifest, finds out who is who from the place, tracks down Jack, who is running stairs at the stadium where he met Penny (which was the stadium where he met Jack), and has the scene with him that we already saw them have. "See you in another lifetime, brother."

[ForeverAutumn]

and another:

What if Desmond gets the manifest, finds out who is who from the place, tracks down Jack, who is running stairs at the stadium where he met Penny (which was the stadium where he met Jack), and has the scene with him that we already saw them have. "See you in another lifetime, brother."

You just freaked me out man!

I kept waiting for Jack to show up running stairs in the background last night.

[Kam]

You just freaked me out man!

I kept waiting for Jack to show up running stairs in the background last night.

when ya throw enough clumps of wet tissue paper on the ceiling, one of 'em is bound to stick!

[ForeverAutumn]

Can you say pre-dic-table? As soon as Ilana showed the dynamite in her bag and walked away from the group. knew she was about be blowed up real good. And Desmond being pushed into the well was obvious too.

[ForeverAutumn]

The one question that has been haunting me. The one thing that I needed to have an answer to. The one thing that I’ve been waiting six years to know. And that’s it? A 20 second scene to say that the whispers are people in freakin’ purgatory?! Seriously?! Well that was disappointing.

[Groundbeef]

Locke looked good going over the hood of Desmonds car.

So here's the question. What happens if Locke dies? I don't think that he will but....

Also, I'm sure Desmond isn't going to die. I'll have more later.

[Kam]

The one question that has been haunting me. The one thing that I needed to have an answer to. The one thing that I’ve been waiting six years to know. And that’s it? A 20 second scene to say that the whispers are people in freakin’ purgatory?! Seriously?! Well that was disappointing.

yeah i think that was someone's prediction way back in one of our threads. geez. they must be watching our board... yeah... that's it.. bastardos. but i agree, that was pretty simple, quick, fast explanation.

but at least it's not everyone, since it's 'for what we've done' i think michael said. which is why libby hasn't shown up to hugo on the island.

and did ya catch Desmond's order number... #42.

I think since there is some connection between the two worlds, desmond wants to kill Locke in World Two because it might affect Smokey-Locke in World One. Kinda like Terminator time travel hit, but instead of travelling through time, it's through dimensions?

[kexodusc]

The one question that has been haunting me. The one thing that I needed to have an answer to. The one thing that I’ve been waiting six years to know. And that’s it? A 20 second scene to say that the whispers are people in freakin’ purgatory?! Seriously?! Well that was disappointing.

Well, if it makes you feel better, it's not even really purgatory...just a similar concept only for bad-deed doin' island souls.

Yeah, that sounds soooo much better.

[ForeverAutumn]

Well, if it makes you feel better, it's not even really purgatory...just a similar concept only for bad-deed doin' island souls.

Yeah, that sounds soooo much better.

So here's a question then...How did Richard's wife get there?

[ForeverAutumn]

OMG! I just had an epiphany!

The plane crashes on the island in 2004...stuff starts to happen. Or,

The plane lands safely in 2004 and Libby and Hurley start to have "memories" of stuff happening.

That means that Libby and Hurley's island memories are actually in the same timeframe as they are in LA. What if those "memories" are the real actions of their alternate island selves...happening at the exact same time of these so-called memories.

Hurley kisses Libby. At the same time, he has a "memory" of kissing Libby. But what if the kiss is happening at the exact same moment in both realities and Hurley is seeing the other kiss.

[GMichael]

So here's a question then...How did Richard's wife get there?

She didn't "get there". She was always there.

[Kam]

OMG! I just had an epiphany!

The plane crashes on the island in 2004...stuff starts to happen. Or,

The plane lands safely in 2004 and Libby and Hurley start to have "memories" of stuff happening.

That means that Libby and Hurley's island memories are actually in the same timeframe as they are in LA. What if those "memories" are the real actions of their alternate island selves...happening at the exact same time of these so-called memories.

Hurley kisses Libby. At the same time, he has a "memory" of kissing Libby. But what if the kiss is happening at the exact same moment in both realities and Hurley is seeing the other kiss.

so that would defn lead to an interesting fate/destiny issue about life, and if the same things happen no matter where you are, and the power of love to overcome cross dimensional islands holding back hell from entering the world.

speaking of, that Cerberus writing on the blacklight map in the hatch that Kevin (?that army guy that helped sayid from iraq) made sure makes more sense now, along with all the mythology surrounding it.

[kexodusc]

So here's a question then...How did Richard's wife get there?

She...uhh....hmmm....can't reconcile that one. I guess the deceased can visit the island somehow?
Obviously Hurley and Michael don't know all the details...Or the details were written on the back of a napkin.

I'm still thinking we're gonna see the real John Locke make a comeback appearance on the island and confront evil-Locke.

[Kam]

I'm still thinking we're gonna see the real John Locke make a comeback appearance on the island and confront evil-Locke.

i read on another blog, from cnn, that one idea was Locke has been Smokey or "Smokey-infected" on the island for longer than we think. i.e. longer than since he took over since Ben killed Locke.

Kinda like how Sayid has been 'tainted' since being revived, so was Locke.

[ForeverAutumn]

i read on another blog, from cnn, that one idea was Locke has been Smokey or "Smokey-infected" on the island for longer than we think. i.e. longer than since he took over since Ben killed Locke.

Kinda like how Sayid has been 'tainted' since being revived, so was Locke.

You know, that makes sense when you think about it. Locke always had a strange relationship with Smokey. In S1 (I think) Smokey dragged Locke through the jungle but didn't hurt him. Locke has stared Smokey down. And Locke has done several things to try to keep people from leaving the Island including blowing up the submarine that Jack was supposed to leave on.

Locke has always been connected to the island.

I'm going to take this one step further. What if Locke died in the crash and Smokey took over his body from day one. That's why Locke could walk. When he left the island via the Donkey Wheel perhaps that created a new 'alternate Locke'. Just like we have two realities for everyone right now (on the island and in the FS), there were two Locke's... Smokey on the island and Alternate Locke off the island.

When Ben killed Locke, he killed Alternate Locke. They took that body back to the Island, where Smokey Locke was waiting for their return. Notice that Smokey Locke never tried to hide Locke's dead body from anyone. I'm sure that he could have claimed the body after the crash and destroyed it. But he didn't care about that. He was never really trying to hide or deny that he isn't really Locke. He posed as Locke while he could because people trusted him and I'm sure it helped him to gain information about them that he can (and will) use in the future. But when he couldn't do it anymore he just stopped.

Oh man, I am on a roll today!

[Kam]

You know, that makes sense when you think about it. Locke always had a strange relationship with Smokey. In S1 (I think) Smokey dragged Locke through the jungle but didn't hurt him. Locke has stared Smokey down. And Locke has done several things to try to keep people from leaving the Island including blowing up the submarine that Jack was supposed to leave on.

Locke has always been connected to the island.

I'm going to take this one step further. What if Locke died in the crash and Smokey took over his body from day one. That's why Locke could walk. When he left the island via the Donkey Wheel perhaps that created a new 'alternate Locke'. Just like we have two realities for everyone right now (on the island and in the FS), there were two Locke's... Smokey on the island and Alternate Locke off the island.

When Ben killed Locke, he killed Alternate Locke. They took that body back to the Island, where Smokey Locke was waiting for their return. Notice that Smokey Locke never tried to hide Locke's dead body from anyone. I'm sure that he could have claimed the body after the crash and destroyed it. But he didn't care about that. He was never really trying to hide or deny that he isn't really Locke. He posed as Locke while he could because people trusted him and I'm sure it helped him to gain information about them that he can (and will) use in the future. But when he couldn't do it anymore he just stopped.

Oh man, I am on a roll today!

i was thinking that too, that Smokey took over Locke from the first episode, but then we did see the two of them together? didn't we? or... is it a case, and a freakin' brilliant one at that, of the "Untrustworthy Narrator". We just saw the camera's POV of what we thought was smokey staring down Locke. But have we ever seen Locke with Smokey, by themselves? Like Smokey with Eko, Smokey with Ben, etc. etc. Kinda like a clark-superman thing, I don't think we've ever seen Locke alone with Smokey, because unless he was putting on a show for someone, there'd be no reason for him to.

The scene where Smokey was dragging Locke off was done in front of Jack, so that could make sense that he wanted to test Jack, or make sure no one was making the connection that Locke was Smokey. And the entire time he was "week willed/doubting" Locke was all an act by Smokey, until he no longer needed to keep up the charade?

The one thing that pops to mind though, is Locke being alone on the hatch yelling for a sign. Would Smokey do that?

[On a side note, every time i take a cab here, when the ride is over, the sound the meter makes when it's printing out the receipt is EXACTLY like the whirs/clicks of smokey. It's pretty cool.]

[ForeverAutumn]

The one thing that pops to mind though, is Locke being alone on the hatch yelling for a sign. Would Smokey do that?

You're an actor. Don't you ever stay in character to keep the momentum going?



Actually, that's a good point. Would Smokey do that? I don't know.

[Kam]

You're an actor. Don't you ever stay in character to keep the momentum going?



Actually, that's a good point. Would Smokey do that? I don't know.

although, it could still work... if you think of the actions with Locke in mind, then the sign he's looking for is for his belief to be verified. if you're thinking that's Smokey, then the sign is that loophole he wants. And maybe the light coming on reminds him that Desmond is his loophole?

[ForeverAutumn]

But is Desmond the loophole? It seems to me that things are squaring up for Desmond to be the guy who's trying to close the loophole (i.e. running over Locke).

[Kam]

But is Desmond the loophole? It seems to me that things are squaring up for Desmond to be the guy who's trying to close the loophole (i.e. running over Locke).

which would still make him the key to Smokey taking over, even if Smokey has to stop Desmond from stopping his loophole. i think? right? yeah. that's right.