My apologies for being LOST, but now I'm found.

[ForeverAutumn]

My take on it is that the hydrogen bomb reset time. It sunk the island to the bottom of the ocean so it's like it never existed. And the people who were on the island go back to their lives and continue as if there was no Island. So, no plane crash, Danielle Rouseau's boat doesn't sink, Desmond never ends up there, etc.

I wonder if that also means that Miles, Charlotte and Faraday were never born?

[kexodusc]

My take on it is that the hydrogen bomb reset time. It sunk the island to the bottom of the ocean so it's like it never existed. And the people who were on the island go back to their lives and continue as if there was no Island. So, no plane crash, Danielle Rouseau's boat doesn't sink, Desmond never ends up there, etc.

I wonder if that also means that Miles, Charlotte and Faraday were never born?

That's not bad. But then again, maybe it's too easy...and if that happened, why are the Losties still on the island? Something swervy is coming up...why save the temple and Jacob and evil smokey guy until the last season if not to blow our minds???

I think the two parallel time lines are going to have to cross over and interact somehow, and when it happens, they'll reintegrate into a single time line...that's the way it happened, is going to happen, and was meant to happen.

The two time lines are sorta presented in the show the same way the future flashes were being presented a few seasons ago.

[kexodusc]

I've assumed since we saw the bomb at the original Swan that its detonation was "the incident".

i went back and watched a few scenes of Season 1. I think the Airport scenes from the season opener may have been filmed way back when...if not, kudos to the makeup folks because everyone looks younger, hair exactly the same, etc...it's uncanny.

[ForeverAutumn]

A co-worker has convinced me that the bomb didn't go off and The Incident was the drill breaking through to the magnetic field and all the flying metal that happended afterwards. The bright light wasn't the bomb, but a timeshift back to present day.

In the world where Losties are back on the plane and the Island is at the bottom of the Ocean, the bomb went off and destroyed the Island.

But in the world where the Island still exists, the bomb didn't go off. After The Incident (which claimed Dr. Chang's hand) they had to rebuild The Swan station, only this time it was to conrol the energy by pushing a button every 108 minutes.

P.S. I can't wait for the Sun/Jin reunion!

[Kam]

i'm with kex on the theory that the two time lines will intersect and get back together. i think the nuke caused a schism in space/time and split the timeline at 1974 where we had a
1 - timeline with the island as is after 1974, our current Losties adventure.
2 - a timeline without the island after 1974, our LA-X Landing Losties.

So both 1+2 will intersect at some point, where our current LLL will meet their 30+ year older versions of themselves and re-connect the two timelines so that schism will be healed.

[ForeverAutumn]

i'm with kex on the theory that the two time lines will intersect and get back together. i think the nuke caused a schism in space/time and split the timeline at 1974 where we had a
1 - timeline with the island as is after 1974, our current Losties adventure.
2 - a timeline without the island after 1974, our LA-X Landing Losties.

So both 1+2 will intersect at some point, where our current LLL will meet their 30+ year older versions of themselves and re-connect the two timelines so that schism will be healed.

Are you saying that when they land at LA-X, they are in 1974?

[Kam]

Are you saying that when they land at LA-X, they are in 1974?

nono, just meant that in timeline 2, in 1974, the island is sent to the bottom of the oceamn, life goes on, our Losties are born, go about their lives, and get on the plane in 2007 in Australia and land in LA-X. versus the split that occured in 1974 and sent our other set of Losties still lost in time/space.

i gotta upload a graph of this....

[GMichael]

A co-worker has convinced me that the bomb didn't go off and The Incident was the drill breaking through to the magnetic field and all the flying metal that happended afterwards. The bright light wasn't the bomb, but a timeshift back to present day.

In the world where Losties are back on the plane and the Island is at the bottom of the Ocean, the bomb went off and destroyed the Island.

But in the world where the Island still exists, the bomb didn't go off. After The Incident (which claimed Dr. Chang's hand) they had to rebuild The Swan station, only this time it was to conrol the energy by pushing a button every 108 minutes.

P.S. I can't wait for the Sun/Jin reunion!

I think that the two time lines exist together. She is still at the bottom of the pit banging on the bomb to set it off. In the fleeting moments between the bomb going off, or not going off, both time lines exist. When the bomb goes off (or doesn't go off) one time line will take over and the other will have never happened. Right now, we still don't know if she will get the bomb to go boom or not.

[ForeverAutumn]

My brain hurts.

[musicman1999]

Is it possible that the whole series is an explanation of Schrodinger's cat?

bill

[GMichael]

Is it possible that the whole series is an explanation of Schrodinger's cat?

bill

That cat had flees.

[Kam]

ok, so what was the last we heard from Claire from last season? I totally forgot what happenned to her. Was it when she saw Christian and he led her to the shack and then... what? i can't remember where they went after the shack where Jacob supposedly was?

Is Smokey possessing Sayid now too? I guess Smokey can possess multiple people from within as well as a doppleganger (ala Locke)?

Is Claire the new Rousseau?

Great title to the episode with a nice callback to season (?) What Kate Did to What Kate Does. I liked that.

EDIT: Oh and why do i get a feeling when Locke/Smokey says "I'll tell you everything" in that teaser for next week that... he really won't tell anything. just a hunch.

[GMichael]

ok, so what was the last we heard from Claire from last season? I totally forgot what happenned to her. Was it when she saw Christian and he led her to the shack and then... what? i can't remember where they went after the shack where Jacob supposedly was?

Is Smokey possessing Sayid now too? I guess Smokey can possess multiple people from within as well as a doppleganger (ala Locke)?

Is Claire the new Rousseau?

Great title to the episode with a nice callback to season (?) What Kate Did to What Kate Does. I liked that.

EDIT: Oh and why do i get a feeling when Locke/Smokey says "I'll tell you everything" in that teaser for next week that... he really won't tell anything. just a hunch.

I think that Locke/Smokey will tell someone everything. It just won't be on camera. We won't get to hear the answers. Yet.....(Get ready for the movie)

[kexodusc]

I like how time is self-correcting itself in the alternate timeline - Kate and Claire meet, Ethan involved in delaying the birth...

Loved Miles' comment about Hurley being in charge now...

[Kam]

I like how time is self-correcting itself in the alternate timeline - Kate and Claire meet, Ethan involved in delaying the birth...

Loved Miles' comment about Hurley being in charge now...

i like that 'self-correcting' idea, that what is *supposed* to happen (season 1-2+) is going to happen. kind of lends itself to a destiny/fate/predetermination argument. love the philosophical debates this show brings up.

[ForeverAutumn]

I like how time is self-correcting itself in the alternate timeline - Kate and Claire meet, Ethan involved in delaying the birth...

I was thinking that too. Kate was there when Claire gives birth on the island and it looks like she may be there when Claire gives birth off the island. It's like whatever is going to happen is going to happen regardless of location. Fate is fate. Who wants to bet that somehow in LA-X, Claire ends up deserting Aaron and Kate still ends up with him?

I also liked that Ethan Rom is Ethan Goodspeed. If the Island is sunk, he keeps his Dharma name. I'd like to know more about him though. How did he end up going from Dharma kid (Horace's son) to an Other?

I think that the last time we saw Claire was in the cabin with Christian. So, Claire is infected according to Dogan (was that his name?). Did she disappear before or after Rousseau died? I'm wondering if Rousseau was the one who was infected and was somehow being used by Smokey. Was Claire "claimed" to take Rousseau's place?

I LOL's when Ethan told Claire that he didn't want to stick her with needles if he didn't have to.

[Worf101]

Sucked. Except for Claires resurgance, I found it to be nothing but filler. And WTF, we have an escaped murderer, wanted by the Feds driving around IN A STOLEN YELLOW CAB and they can't track her? Kate just happens to find a an ex-con running a chop shop wiht a heart of gold who's unconcerned about AIDING AND ABETTING????? Stolen car to a hospital where Police are always around and they don't catch her? Are you chittin' me? Who wrote that load of cobblers? All so Claire and Kate can swap hugs? WTF? I want that hour BACK!!!!!

Worf

[ForeverAutumn]

Sucked. Except for Claires resurgance, I found it to be nothing but filler. And WTF, we have an escaped murderer, wanted by the Feds driving around IN A STOLEN YELLOW CAB and they can't track her? Kate just happens to find a an ex-con running a chop shop wiht a heart of gold who's unconcerned about AIDING AND ABETTING????? Stolen car to a hospital where Police are always around and they don't catch her? Are you chittin' me? Who wrote that load of cobblers? All so Claire and Kate can swap hugs? WTF? I want that hour BACK!!!!!

Worf

Well...when you put it that way...

I agree actually. It was one of the worst episodes that I can remember. Not a whole lot happened other than the return of Claire at the end. With only 14 or so hours left to wrap it all up, I can only assume (and hope) that episode was a lead-in to bigger and better things.

Here's a pretty amusing write up on the season premiere that I think you'll enjoy.

[Worf101]

Well...when you put it that way...

I agree actually. It was one of the worst episodes that I can remember. Not a whole lot happened other than the return of Claire at the end. With only 14 or so hours left to wrap it all up, I can only assume (and hope) that episode was a lead-in to bigger and better things.

Here's a pretty amusing write up on the season premiere that I think you'll enjoy.

I enjoyed that recap immensely. Glad to see some other folks don't take this so seriously either. LOTS of big plot holes detailed in great tongue in cheek. I'll be going back there believe me.

Worf

[ForeverAutumn]

He did. She stole a lunchbox and he paid for it on the condition that she wouldn't steal anymore.

[Kam]

He did. She stole a lunchbox and he paid for it on the condition that she wouldn't steal anymore.

such a sweet guy. wonder if he's really the good guy....

edit: and wonder if the kid is now jacob reborn....

[ForeverAutumn]

such a sweet guy. wonder if he's really the good guy....

edit: and wonder if the kid is now jacob reborn....

I thought it was interesting that it appeared that Richard couldn't see the kid. Although IIRC he had his back to him and the kid was gone when Rich turned around. So maybe he could have seen him if he stuck around, but it left me with the impression that only UnLocke could see him.

But then Sawyer saw the kid. And UnLocke seemed very surprised by that.

I loved the scene in the cave where UnLocke tosses the white rock into the ocean and says simply, "inside joke". LOL.

After all the years we've spent trying to figure out the numbers wouldn't it be funny if they mean nothing more than "Jacob had a thing for numbers"? The joke is on us my friends.

So is the serial number on the hatch door the number for that particular go around? If the numbers were 3 - Autumn, 7 - Kam, 12 - Kex, and WE were on the island then would the numbers on the hatch door have been 3 7 12 etc? Does this just happen over and over and over again with different people until the MIB finds his loophole.

As I typed that last paragraph it occured to me that would make sense. If you think about how many times Desmond saved Charlie's life only to realized that he can't, it makes total sense that they are in a loop...and looking for the loophole. Following that same train of thought...Faraday's mommy told Desmond that the Island isn't done with him. So maybe UnLocke hasn't found the loophole after all.

OMFG! Sometimes I blow my own mind!

[Kam]

I thought it was interesting that it appeared that Richard couldn't see the kid. Although IIRC he had his back to him and the kid was gone when Rich turned around. So maybe he could have seen him if he stuck around, but it left me with the impression that only UnLocke could see him.

But then Sawyer saw the kid. And UnLocke seemed very surprised by that.

I loved the scene in the cave where UnLocke tosses the white rock into the ocean and says simply, "inside joke". LOL.

After all the years we've spent trying to figure out the numbers wouldn't it be funny if they mean nothing more than "Jacob had a thing for numbers"? The joke is on us my friends.

So is the serial number on the hatch door the number for that particular go around? If the numbers were 3 - Autumn, 7 - Kam, 12 - Kex, and WE were on the island then would the numbers on the hatch door have been 3 7 12 etc? Does this just happen over and over and over again with different people until the MIB finds his loophole.

As I typed that last paragraph it occured to me that would make sense. If you think about how many times Desmond saved Charlie's life only to realized that he can't, it makes total sense that they are in a loop...and looking for the loophole. Following that same train of thought...Faraday's mommy told Desmond that the Island isn't done with him. So maybe UnLocke hasn't found the loophole after all.

OMFG! Sometimes I blow my own mind!

i thought that too about the Kid vs. Richard/Sawyer. Either it is that the Kid just ran away before Richard saw him OR... Sawyer could see him because he's one of the "Candidates" so could see what others couldn't.

And remember when they went to the Watching Hatch and saw those long pages of numbers which were another set of numbers. That could fit in with your idea of the Island/Jacob resetting after bringing a different set of people to the Island to find that right 'Candidate.'

I wonder if Eko's name is crossed out on that ceiling, or if Ben's name is even on there, or Desmond, if Desmond is one of those 'Other Numbers'...

[Kam]

found this one the e! lost reviews....

What if #23 shephard isn't Jack, but Aaron. Since he is technically a shephard, not "littleton" which was claires last name, and which was already crossed out as 313!

[kexodusc]

If last week's episode was a bit sub-par, this one was sure made up for it.

Loved the bit about the rocks on the scale - very reminiscent of Locke with the backgammon pieces early in season 1.

Wonder what the significance of the kid telling evil Locke that he couldn't kill Jacob was? Maybe loophole's violate the spirit of the island rules and evil Locke is in trouble?

With the fair hair I think we're meant to think the kid is lil' Jacob.

"Jacob had a thing for numbers" lol.