DVD Audio @ 192khz/24bit

[hawkerSURF50]

I also have the Pioneer 563 dvd player and have not been able to play any dvda in the 192 khz mode.

FYI, the Yes FRAGILE dvda ia also misprinted,it only plays in 96 khz.

Its has been frustrating!!

In addition the DSOM SACD sounds ok on my system,but to me the resolution of DSOM does not compare to the sound on FRAGILE.I wonder if the pioneer 563 is to blame since I am not sure if the chip in the unit really handles SACD like a dedicated unit.

[Digital-G]

I've also said that Dark Side SACD doesn't sound as good as it should. I'm obviously in the minority here, because almost everyone else seems to love it. I realize it's a 30 year old recording and all of that, but even the standard CD layer sounds better to me than the SACD - just compare the bass of the opening heartbeat on the first track to see what I mean.

My Pioneer DV-45A seems to handle all of the other hi-rez formats wonderfully. I don't believe I have any 192khz/24 bit recording so I can't comment on those.

A standardized labeling for hi-rez discs would certainly be welcome - having to read the fine print to figure out what you're getting isn't the best solution. You'd think they would have learned SOMETHING by watching the VHS/Beta war, the CD launch 20 years ago and the more recent DVD launch, but Noooooooo, the hi-rez discs are repeating all of the same mistakes (i.e. poor labeling, competing formats, lack of standardization, etc.). Other that that, I love 'em. Thanks for letting me rant a bit...

[Woochifer]

I also have the Pioneer 563 dvd player and have not been able to play any dvda in the 192 khz mode.

FYI, the Yes FRAGILE dvda ia also misprinted,it only plays in 96 khz.

Its has been frustrating!!

In addition the DSOM SACD sounds ok on my system,but to me the resolution of DSOM does not compare to the sound on FRAGILE.I wonder if the pioneer 563 is to blame since I am not sure if the chip in the unit really handles SACD like a dedicated unit.

First of all, any multichannel DVD-A soundtrack will only play back at 96/24 resolution. ONLY the two-channel track can play back at 192/24 resolution, so I don't think it's a misprint. That Pioneer model I believe does not have a Sony DSD chip, so it needs to convert the SACD signal to PCM first.

[hawkerSURF50]

Thanks for the replies!

I know that the 192 khz format was only available in 2.0.However, I never could get any DVDas to play in that format on the pioneer 563 unit.I have recently found out that the 192 khz format on FRAGILE is not available on the disc since it was a misprint.

As far as your comments on DSOM, I had a feeling that the pioneer 563 was "cheating" on the SACD playback.Thats' ok based on the price I paid for the unit.

BYW, I would love to hear some early Moody Blues in DVDa.In Search of the Lost Chord or To Our Childrens Children would be awesome.

Happy Holidays

[Jetsons]

hawker:

The 563A has a DSD chip and does not "cheat" SACD in TWO channel when using the analog outputs. Other Pioneer & Elite models did in fact covert DSD to PCM in two channel payback but the 563A does not.

Here is a review of the Pioneer which addresses the above, http://www.slottweak.com/DV_563A/563review.htm

In multichannel, it does perforrm a PCM conversion due to the bass management. BTW, this is not uncommon with SACD players including much higher dollar machines.

With regard to two channel 24/192, one basically has to check out reviews/owner comments of DVD-A discs to ensure that the disc does indeed contain this option. If the 24/192 strero track exists, the player will certainly display this info. I have read that the Fragile and Chicago DVD-As (at Stevehoffman music forum & Audio Asylum) are not 24/192.

Happy Holidays!

Jet

[Tarheel_]

I received the Pioneer 563 for Christmas and the DVD-A "Sintra, Live at the Sands" has both 192/24 (2 channel) and 96/24 (5.1) mix. You can check the format by pressing "audio" on the remote which will display the information on screen.
Also, be sure to check your options and ensure the downconverting option is "off".