There is a difference in Sounf Quality on Fiber Optics Cables!

[N. Abstentia]

Wow,if your not a joke then you've got a problem. Childish? Better go look in the mirror hadnt you? Geez.

News flash - nobody voted you 'netcop' of this forum.

[shokhead]

They didnt?

[Jim Clark]

What is so difficult and hard to grasp about this.

Well for me it would start with volume changing drastically between two different optical cables. If you could give me one semi-plausible reason why some pulses of light from the same source are louder (not just louder, drastically louder) than others based on a cable you would be helping me get a handle on this. You know what-never mind. Happy Fourth.

jc

[EdwardGein]

Well for me it would start with volume changing drastically between two different optical cables. If you could give me one semi-plausible reason why some pulses of light from the same source are louder (not just louder, drastically louder) than others based on a cable you would be helping me get a handle on this. You know what-never mind. Happy Fourth. jc

My general problem with this web site- yes it has been helpful to me in the past I admit, and this isn't personally directed at you, is, people aren't as willing to accept things as fact even if they are, unless someone can explain why technically things happen. I'm sorry, if someone like NAbsentia, I'll give him his due here, tells me there is a free online program called DVD Shrink and it will enable you to make a backup DVD of a commercial DVD, all I care about is if it works, not why it works.

I've listed below in its entirety the complete description & endorsements of one of the people selling fiber glass optic cables on Ebay. Maybe that will help you out. Again, irregardless of whether you agree with this or not, if all optic cables sounded the same there would not be a market and huge price differential on them if they all produced the same results as contrary to what some of you think, not everyone with money is an idiot and people do not just spend $400 for a pair of optic cables just because they can, if it produces the same sound as a $10 Radio Shack one.

FROM EBAY SELLER:

THIS BUY IT NOW LISTING IS FOR MY NEW 2 METER (6.56ft)GLASS TOSLINK WHICH FEATURES 280 STRANDS OF HIGH PURITY GLASS OPTICAL FIBER

READ BELOW WHAT MY CUSTOMERS ARE SAYING ABOUT THESE PREMIUM GLASS TOSLINKS!

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EXPERIENCE THE DRAMATIC DIFFERENCE A GLASS FIBER OPTIC CABLE WILL MAKE IN YOUR HOME ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM!!!

Premium Glass fiber optical cable is the highest quality digital optical cable available. Unlike most consumer grade optical cable that use plastic fiber optics, this cable uses real glass fiber optics and mirror polished ends for the highest possible quality data transmission. This cables ensures the least signal loss and least jitter possible.

The series utilize glass fiber optic conductors and precision connectors to reduce digital jitter for a dramatic upgrade over conventional toslink optical cables, which utilize plastic fiber optic conductors. Glass fiber optic transmission allows superior high resolution, amazing clarity reproduction, ultra spatial effects and dynamic impact. It's ideal for use with DVD, DVD Audio, SACD, CD, D-VHS, game console, S/PDIF, Dolby DigitalR and DTSR professional audio applications.

Features:

High purity medical grade glass fiber optic core

Allows highest resolution digital audio transmission

Widest bandwidth transmission and frequency response

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Precision polished TOSLINK core end for wider bandwidth with lower insertion loss

Multi-sheilding protection from damage and interference

Spring loaded alloy tip for best possible position and closer lens contact

Automatically in focus for accurate data transfer with minimal loss

Precision molded plug and durable 24k gold plated plug ends

Cable length: 2 Meter (6.56 ft)

All Glass Toslink Cables are new, finest quality in factory sealed poly bag.

Here are just a few of the many positive comments my customers have said about these fabulous Glass Toslinks!

Hi Stuart,

I just wanted to write to say "Thank you" for your excellent cable. Upon the first 10 seconds of listening to music with the glass optical cable hooked up in place of my regular digital cable (the Stereovox HDXV), it was clear that something special was happening. Bass and spatial cues were revealed with startling vivacity. A slight electronic edge, or brightness, that I used to hear outlining the upper harmonics of notes, which was the one weakness of my system that broke the illusion of listening to live music, was now banished. In its absence, fine musical elements like the leading edge of notes, and the tone and texture of its sustain and decay were rendered with precision and clean, unforced, natural detail. As an admittedly jaded audiophile and music lover, I tried this cable on a lark, but I can scarcely believe how good it truly is. It is not merely "good for its price". It is excellent, without equivocation. It delivers all of the audiophile goodness that guys like me crave, at a most un-audiophile (down to earth) price. It therefore must rank as one of the all-time audio bargins and best finds.

Best regards,
David

I received the cable today. Excellent cable!! Very revealing I cant imagine a better value out there for three times the price that would give that much of an improvement over other cables. I am very happy I would recommend your cable to anyone out there who uses an optical cable.

Thank you Stephen

Hi Stuart - Thanks for getting my order right out. The cable arrived today and man, it sounds great. It's a major improvement over the plastic-fiber Radio Shack cable I have been using. The sound is dramatically clearer, with much more detail and dynamics. I was, of course, expecting some improvement... but nothing of this magnitude. And it cost just ten bucks more than the Radio Shack cable. I'm really amazed.

David

Hi Stuart, I was using a Purple Harmony Toslink cable which i thought was better than most. Bought from Dick Smith Electronics. I thought it sounded quite good, but found it did lack excitement and oomph (that's after I heard other, more expensive systems). When I changed the toslink to the Glass Toslink, it was totally amazing! It sounded sweet. Everything was tighter and very punchy. The details of the guitar strings and the other instruments in the background could be heard - crystal clear! You really need to hear the difference to believe it! It was definately worth the investment. I'm glad I found your Auction and chose to go with the Glass Toslink. Cheers Kev

hi very pleased with the glass toslink cable.. I was using a high end coaxial cable. now notice more depth definition , and overall more accurate sound.. very pleased.. thank you again, not only for a very good product but for the professoional manner in which the transaction was completed.. my regards.. Jake

Hello Stuart- I was using a high end Monster Cable (RCA) purchased several years ago. I upgraded my receiver and went to a dvd/cd player and decided to use an optical connection. The improvement was quite noticeable, especially the highs. Overall, I'm quite impressed with the Glass Toslink. Thanks again for an excellent product. Have a good one. Sincerely, Jason

Well all I can say is WOW. I was using standard Monster Cable crap. This made a huge different. The dynamic of the audio is so much more brilliant. The soundstage has also gotten wider.

I can weigh in on the glass toslink v. digital RCA cable by saying that I A/B'd the Audioquest Optilink 5 with their comparable digital cable and the result was not even close. The glass toslink was significantly better on every criterion, and was significantly louder as well (we volume matched the outputs for the test, BTW). I bought two toslinks and replaced my digital cable!

I originally was using the Monster Interlink 100. It had deeper bass, but the mids and highs are were not as detailed. I also purchased the Wireworld Supernova III (glass toslink) cable prior to the order from you. There was no sonic difference between these and the cables I ordered from you. But I did notice that intermittently there were clicks and pops with the Supernova III's. Especially when using the ABS (bit splitting) function from my Apogee PSX-100 Special Edition A/D/A converter! I choose to use your cables as primary and the Supernova III's as backups.

[agtpunx40]

it's not that you have to understand how everything happens. What you are claiming, however, is very difficult to understand, since it doesn't seem to make any sense given how the cable works. The the volume of a digital source is encoded in the same 1s and 0s that the rest of the audio wave is encoded as, changing the volume would involve a corruption of those bits, it wouldn't really be possible for a cable to pick out and alter those individual bits. The reviews by the ebay seller may not even be real, although they could be. (especially considering that the seller lists sacd and dvda as two of the potential uses, and if I'm not mistaken, these formats only use analoge outs so you can't copy it digitally)

"Again, irregardless of whether you agree with this or not, if all optic cables sounded the same there would not be a market and huge price differential on them if they all produced the same results as contrary to what some of you think, not everyone with money is an idiot and people do not just spend $400 for a pair of optic cables just because they can"

As for this, you don't actually think this is true do you? People pay hundreds of dollars on a pair of jeans just because they can. They don't go on any easier, or last any longer than your average pair of levis. People buy very expensive shiny rocks just because they can. Does an expensive marble chess set in some way make chess easier or better than with a cheap set? The reason there is a large variety and price differential for cables is because people will buy them, and nothing else. That's why anything is produced. If there is a huge difference between cables, but no one would buy the expensive one, it would not be produced, while if there is no difference, but lots of people are willing to pay lots of money, it will be. Just because someone is willing to charge you alot for something doesn't make it better. That's just silly. I'm not making a statement about cables, just this silly logic you're using.

[EdwardGein]

In regards to my logic, I still maintain that some people with money are not idiots & do have brains and those brains helped them get that money, like Marc Cuban who owns the Dallas Mavericks. I can't see someone like Cuban (I don't know if he does) spend extra money on Optic Cables, if they will accomplish the exact same thing as a cheap Radio Shack one.
In the examples you're sighting, yeah I've seen differences in $40 jeans and expensive designer jeans- not saying they're worth the money but there are differences. Same thing with optic cables. There are differences.

Again, music that is coming out is more than 0's and 1's.

[N. Abstentia]

Again, music that is coming out is more than 0's and 1's.

There is NO music coming out of a digital cable, it's a RAW UNDECODED BITSTREAM of 1's and 0's.

RAW.

UNDECODED.

If you could amplify it (like a preamp signal in an RCA cable) you know what you would hear? NOTHING. IT'S A RAW BITSTREAM.

It has to be decoded before it can be turned into music. You know how when you play a record on a turntable you can put your ear next to the needle and actually hear the music? Digital does not work like that.

And as far as your Ebay shill ad...wow. Imagine the guy selling these cables trying to convice everybody that they are better. The guy is buying the cables for $3 and selling them for $50, of course he's going to lie and say the cables are better. He probably even wrote all the 'testimonials' himself...and you fell for it. Congrats. Think about how you got ripped off before you call someone else an idiot.

[EdwardGein]

[QUOTE=N. Abstentia-"And as far as your Ebay shill ad...wow. Imagine the guy selling these cables trying to convice everybody that they are better. The guy is buying the cables for $3 and selling them for $50, of course he's going to lie and say the cables are better. He probably even wrote all the 'testimonials' himself...and you fell for it. Congrats. Think about how you got ripped off before you call someone else an idiot.[/QUOTE]


I didn't put a shill bid for this and I wasn't ripped off for this. You do get a stronger pronounced sound on this and in fact I'm using the cables for 2 of my TV's. For my CD/DVD sound because I'm use to a weaker less powerful signal I'm sticking to my $40 audio quest optic cables.