Mapleshade ?

[wiseburro]

It's either auto-dial, or audible..(please select the second choice.).

As for the person being discussed....

Both of you are correct in part..the guy may be smart, he definitely is in it for the money...

But making a power cord that is so ineptly dangerous that it should be banned from the market is not right. One funeral because of that unsafe design is one too many.

Cheers, John

lol Actually it is audial, or aural. Generally, people who are in business are in it for the money. I have no problem with that.

I don't know it if has been accurately demonstrated that his powercord is inherently dangerous. I'm certainly no engineer, but I don't think as a businessman that he would open himself up to that sort of liability. I have talked to him several times on the phone about a couple of products. I'm sure he would be more than willing to discuss the finer points of his powercord safety.

[skeptic]

I don't know about you John, but I'm in no mood to train him.

[wiseburro]

I don't know about you John, but I'm in no mood to train him.

So, was I correct in thinking that you have no experience in the audible differences amongst different powercords?

[skeptic]

You're right, they all sound the same to me.

[wiseburro]

You're right, they all sound the same to me.

That's cool. At least you have tried a few for yourself.

[wiseburro]

You're right, they all sound the same to me.

That is a very interesting comment for someone that claims, "That strongly suggests to me that the need for it in a consumer audio amplifier is completely bogus."

They ALL sound the same to you? Are you telling us that you have tried a few aftermarket powercords? You wouldn't be making an unsubstantiated claim now, would you?


First, you say I'm right that you have no experience, then you claim that they all sound the same. lol

I would hate to suggest that you are lying, but your statements don't add up.


Maybe we should address the phenomena of engineers needing to pontificate about subjects that they have absolutely no experience in. Why do you think that exists?

[Beckman]

Maybe we should address the phenomena of engineers needing to pontificate about subjects that they have absolutely no experience in.

? Are there any high end audio power cord design engineers out there that can explain how a three foot cord affects a 60 Hz 120 VAC signal in a way such that it improves the sound quality of anything.


(I don't expect anyone to ever reply)

[jneutron]

? Are there any high end audio power cord design engineers out there that can explain how a three foot cord affects a 60 Hz 120 VAC signal in a way such that it improves the sound quality of anything.

(I don't expect anyone to ever reply)

Weeeelll then...you were incorrect..

(you did say anyone..) you lose...:-)

I can tell you how to make it worse..

Take a 3 foot cord.

Strip the outer insulating jacket

untwist it

take the hot conductor, form a tight coil with it.

take the neutral, form another coil.

put one over the other so that the wires are counter to each other...IOW, so that when current is drawn, the solenoidal field is enhanced, not cancelled.

Position that coil so that it produces the most loop current within the amp/source/ic loop.

Now, watch the loop current as the amp draws haversines.

Now imagine that it couples proportional to frequency. Then introduce a coupla hundred milliamps of 5Khz sine into the power cord.

Cheers, John

[mtrycraft]

Maybe we should address the phenomena of engineers needing to pontificate about subjects that they have absolutely no experience in. Why do you think that exists?

Why don't you ask this question of your beloved Pierre Sprey? Obvious to anyone he doesn't know. While you are asking this question, ask for evidence for his claims, not testimonials.

[skeptic]

"Maybe we should address the phenomena of engineers needing to pontificate about subjects that they have absolutely no experience in. Why do you think that exists?"

Electrical engineers don't learn about electrical conductivity in wire by taking home the latest product Joe Schmo's Hi Fi Haven is offering this week. They start in a classroom by studying mathematical models of wire, the circuits they are connected to, taking data in laboratories, analyzing it, and drawing scientific conclusions. If they are still interested, they contact people who actually make and test wire like Belden. They don't gain anything from printed advertising literature or hype on the internet. That way they wind up putting their money in their education, not wire for their stereo systems. Now how do YOU learn about it.

[Monstrous Mike]

"Maybe we should address the phenomena of engineers needing to pontificate about subjects that they have absolutely no experience in. Why do you think that exists?"

Electrical engineers don't learn about electrical conductivity in wire by taking home the latest product Joe Schmo's Hi Fi Haven is offering this week. They start in a classroom by studying mathematical models of wire, the circuits they are connected to, taking data in laboratories, analyzing it, and drawing scientific conclusions. If they are still interested, they contact people who actually make and test wire like Belden. They don't gain anything from printed advertising literature or hype on the internet. That way they wind up putting their money in their education, not wire for their stereo systems. Now how do YOU learn about it.

It pisses me off to no end when my Masters of Electrical Engineering is dismissed by phrases like "But you have no experience in audio design".

Of course, that phrase might be true if audio engineering didn't follow the generally accepted laws of physics and electricity.

[mtrycraft]

So, was I correct in thinking that you have no experience in the audible differences amongst different powercords?

You have any evidence that any of them have an audible sound to it? Don't try too hard looking. There is no evidence, zero. Neither does Pierre has it.
So, what is there to listen to?

[skeptic]

Once again it is impossible to find anyone who has performed a fair test of any power cords or even has a suitable setup to conduct such a test. As I said in another posting, the only listening test I would now consider fair to even show evidence of a role any cables would play is not wire A against wire B but wire A against a shunt. DBT of course. If I were to set one up, I'd use make before break relays just the way I would with speaker cables. But then what do I know. PC Tower says engineers are too stupid to set up and conduct DBTs. So who is smart enough, clever enough, truthful enough, fair, trustworthy, decent, loves god and country enough to do the job? Lawyers.