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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnMichael View Post
    The discussion has begun regarding complex music and do some prefer a cable that will simplify the music or one that will let you hear the melody, counter melodies and all that make the music unoque.
    I really think the answer is obvious if transparency is the goal
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    I found it interesting that the members were listening to complex and unfamiliar music. Music more complex than the usual audition discs. The members had not studied the music as the presenter had.

    Some of my favorite music I did not enjoy at first. Some music is more accessible than other music. I can only listen to so much new music at a time. I can understand choosing a cable that simplifies complicated music. Knowing the music and the balance between instruments he felt the more expensive cable kept the music in better balance and revealed all the nuances.
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    Seems to be similar to a Bud Light drinker who has been used to that taste for 30 years.

    Pour them a goblet of Chimay, and most will not like it at all on the first try. Why? It's too complex and different. They would rather it tasted more like a Bud Light.

    So here we have people used to listening to simple 3 chord progression music and where most of the instruments play the same notes while the drummer keeps the most simple beats. Then you play them a complicated pc of music where their untrained brain cannot follow all the separation of instruments playing different notes.

    The cheaper cables probably mushed all the music together so most of the detail and separation was gone making it sound more like a Bud Light.

    Case in point- Several years ago a neighbor of mine watched my house and mail while we were away. They keep Coors Light in the beermiester. When we returned from vacation, I gave him a nice bottle of Chimay. A few weeks later I asked him if he enjoyed the brew and he told me it was too different and he mixed it with a Yuengling. That was the last time I wasted a beer on him.

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    How do we know that some of the members don't like Classical music? I would think that at least some of the members have very revealing systems. I would also like to know the price point of the more affordable cables. They could have been $50 cables or $250 cables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackraven View Post
    How do we know that some of the members don't like Classical music? I would think that at least some of the members have very revealing systems. I would also like to know the price point of the more affordable cables. They could have been $50 cables or $250 cables.

    To me it is about unfamiliar complex music more than anything else. I enjoy classical music but I am not educated in classical music. The presenter has studied Mahler and I enjoy Mahler. I wonder if I would have missed the intricacies the educated man was able to discern. I wonder what cable I would have chosen.
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    Yes, yes, yes


    Quote Originally Posted by Hyfi View Post
    Seems to be similar to a Bud Light drinker who has been used to that taste for 30 years.

    Pour them a goblet of Chimay, and most will not like it at all on the first try. Why? It's too complex and different. They would rather it tasted more like a Bud Light.

    So here we have people used to listening to simple 3 chord progression music and where most of the instruments play the same notes while the drummer keeps the most simple beats. Then you play them a complicated pc of music where their untrained brain cannot follow all the separation of instruments playing different notes.

    The cheaper cables probably mushed all the music together so most of the detail and separation was gone making it sound more like a Bud Light.

    Case in point- Several years ago a neighbor of mine watched my house and mail while we were away. They keep Coors Light in the beermiester. When we returned from vacation, I gave him a nice bottle of Chimay. A few weeks later I asked him if he enjoyed the brew and he told me it was too different and he mixed it with a Yuengling. That was the last time I wasted a beer on him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyfi View Post
    The cheaper cables probably mushed all the music together so most of the detail and separation was gone making it sound more like a Bud Light.

    Case in point- Several years ago a neighbor of mine watched my house and mail while we were away. They keep Coors Light in the beermiester. When we returned from vacation, I gave him a nice bottle of Chimay. A few weeks later I asked him if he enjoyed the brew and he told me it was too different and he mixed it with a Yuengling. That was the last time I wasted a beer on him.
    Ah, Hyfi, nicely put. No need to waste Maredous 10, Kwak, or Chocolate Stouts on those you live for bud light. My brother-in-law is like your neighbor. All my BIL cares about is how "high and how low" can his system go. About a year ago I bought a complete wire set from Blue Jeans just to get him away from all the various gauges of vampire wire and red/white stock I.C's. In the end it did not matter that I bought him BJ cable because the result for him was the system now goes higher and lower and let's have another bud light.

    I've been enjoying fine craft beer for the last 35 years and my BIL still won't touch it. Oh well! I think I will keep my craft beer and craft cables to myself and away from him...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyfi View Post
    The cheaper cables probably mushed all the music together so most of the detail and separation was gone making it sound more like a Bud Light.
    Is that the description of a cable or vacum hose

    Objectivity, your sentence is impossible to describe.

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    Boy, mention beer around a bunch of guys and look what happens, LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey View Post
    Is that the description of a cable or vacum hose

    Objectivity, your sentence is impossible to describe.
    Go back to reading White Papers and never trying different cables for yourself.

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