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    I wonder why some people are so concerned about how someone else spends their money.
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    Getting back on the subject. How exactly do these work? Don't fuses work by having elements with a precise resistance which melt at a specific current? If the gold is used as end caps to prevent corrosion, I understand that (how do you justify the cost when many gold-plated connectors with more surface area, more gold, costs much less). But, if you're saying the gold is used as the element, I don't understand it. Gold would be a better conductor (less resistance), so the element would have to be much thinner, providing more resistance, to build up enough heat to open it at the same current. Having a more perfect conductor would be contrary to fuse design.
    Also, where are these being used? How does placing a gold fuse in a power supply, pre-amp, etc... help? The signal is still subject to the weakest link in the chain. How does a gold fuse in even the output circuit provide superior sound when it passes any benefits made through non-gold output relay (there's an idea for another tweak, gold output relays), non-gold speaker wires, non-gold internal speaker cabling? Do they make a power supply more regulated, less noisy, have less losses? Have audiophiles with reference systems been wrong all these years? Do the fuses unveil another layer of detail, provide more "air", "clean up the grunge? I'm sure with these benefits, there's a patent to provide protection for the design, thus no reason to be secretive. Many companies explain their revolutionary designs so the consumer can make an informed decision. Saying "Unfortunately you are a Theorethiker and no listener." doesn't wash. It's used by every salesman dishing up "snake oil". I say "show your work if you want any credit" and "either put up, or shut up".

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    It is certainly true that many of these mechanisms about metals effecting sound are not understood, or at least not by me. And as far as the resistance of a fuse, not all resistors seem to sound the same. Even thought the resistance in Ohms is identical, metal film, carbon film, tantalum, copper wirewound, nichrome wire wound etc. do not sound identical.

    The best gear often uses Vishay bulk foil resistors. These are made with an aluminum foil (not metallized) on a glass substrate. Besides sounding good they have amazing temperature stability, very low drift over time, very low noise and several other high performance features. Whether any of this is related to why they sound good is anybodys guess. They are insanely expensive at near one thousand times the price of a high volume consumer resistor. Very popular for satellites and other military applications.

    In my system I use silver lugs with rhodium plating, expensive ultra pure metal speaker cables. The interconnects I like are pure silver with expensive RCA jacks. Given that the metal junctions at each joint seem to be important (at least to me) to the sound it is not unreasonable to wonder if that cheap solder plated tin fuse cap and cheap fuse holder shouldn't be in the signal path.

    I'm not saying these fuses are better, I'm saying it could easily be true that they are. None of this is inconsistent with the exotic cables and connectors that many audiophiles find add a great deal to the sonic end result of their systems.

    My old amp had a series speaker fuse, my new one does not, so I can't try them.

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    I have used Vishay resistors in all the gear I've modified. I didn't use them at first but over time I have replaced all the resistors with the Vishay's. They produce less thermal noise are extremely stable and give a given amplifier a lower noise floor. I'm tempted to try these fuses in the series speaker fuse holders in my gear.
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    I could care less...

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeE SP9
    I wonder why some people are so concerned about how someone else spends their money.
    ...just that every once in a while, it gets pretty deep around here...I just try to level things out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resident Loser
    ...just that every once in a while, it gets pretty deep around here...I just try to level things out...

    jimHJJ(...after that you're on your own...)
    Thank you for your support? By the way, I agree about the solder. Also, that should be "I couldn't care less. Saying "I could care less" implies that you do care"
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    You're right...

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeE SP9
    Thank you for your support? By the way, I agree about the solder. Also, that should be "I couldn't care less. Saying "I could care less" implies that you do care"
    ...pardon my careless descent into the vulgate...without the sarcastic tone, it doesn't translate well into print...although I do take exception to the common argument surrounding the phrase...

    To me "I couldn't care less" is finite...whereas "I could care less" delves into the endless abyss of negative numbers...The result: Given the proper motivation I could care less than zero, say -10 or as is meant when spoken with the proper inflection...not with that slight hope that there is care there, but that it's physically impossible for me to care any less about the subject and will now commence to undermine things that support it...

    I'm certain my English teachers would disagree with my POV but...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resident Loser
    ...pardon my careless descent into the vulgate...without the sarcastic tone, it doesn't translate well into print...although I do take exception to the common argument surrounding the phrase...

    To me "I couldn't care less" is finite...whereas "I could care less" delves into the endless abyss of negative numbers...The result: Given the proper motivation I could care less than zero, say -10 or as is meant when spoken with the proper inflection...not with that slight hope that there is care there, but that it's physically impossible for me to care any less about the subject and will now commence to undermine things that support it...

    I'm certain my English teachers would disagree with my POV but...

    jimHJJ(...I could care less...)
    Do you always obfuscate? My original response was because I had an English teacher who was quite a stickler for proper language usage. I guess it rubbed off. I could care less implies you do care but could be persuaded to care less than you do. I couldn't care less says I don't care at all! By the way you have contradicted yourself.
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    No...

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeE SP9
    Do you always obfuscate? My original response was because I had an English teacher who was quite a stickler for proper language usage. I guess it rubbed off. I could care less implies you do care but could be persuaded to care less than you do. I couldn't care less says I don't care at all! By the way you have contradicted yourself.
    ...obfuscate? Actually I rarely always do anything...in fact, most of the time I never do nothing...but...

    I ruminate, perhaps delineate, in order to obviate...any rancorous debate. My manner, most sedate...a simple trait...can you relate?

    It's when a spate...of the profligate... try to intimate, that I simply berate...I will demonstrate, that they are quite incohate...as all words can mean more than just one thing...

    Contradiction? I simply presented two possible interpretations of the phrase, however...sometimes I might instigate and delve into applications most abstract...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resident Loser
    ...obfuscate? Actually I rarely always do anything...in fact, most of the time I never do nothing...but...

    I ruminate, perhaps delineate, in order to obviate...any rancorous debate. My manner, most sedate...a simple trait...can you relate?

    It's when a spate...of the profligate... try to intimate, that I simply berate...I will demonstrate, that they are quite incohate...as all words can mean more than just one thing...

    Contradiction? I simply presented two possible interpretations of the phrase, however...sometimes I might instigate and delve into applications most abstract...

    jimHJJ(...and that's a fact, Jack...)
    I think you missed your true calling. Are you related to Jack Kerouac or maybe James Joyce?
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