Golden Ears Fail Again

[RGA]

Science takes second fiddle to philosophy always - so in point of interest when you learn about what is true and what is the case - well that throws these pointless arguements out. DB testing is used incorrectly per usual. And sadly for some strange reason they actually think they can use DB testing to prove or disaprove a point of irrifutable fact - now that is the most abnoxiously arrogant of stances. Engineers - too funny.

[musicoverall]

Science takes second fiddle to philosophy always - so in point of interest when you learn about what is true and what is the case - well that throws these pointless arguements out. DB testing is used incorrectly per usual. And sadly for some strange reason they actually think they can use DB testing to prove or disaprove a point of irrifutable fact - now that is the most abnoxiously arrogant of stances. Engineers - too funny.

Can you explain this part of your post... "so in point of interest when you learn about what is true and what is the case - well that throws these pointless arguements out. "

I think the height of arrogance is someone telling me absolutely what I don't hear.

[magictooth]

Can you explain this part of your post... "so in point of interest when you learn about what is true and what is the case - well that throws these pointless arguements out. "

I think the height of arrogance is someone telling me absolutely what I don't hear.

The height of ignorance is someone telling another person that they absolutely can hear when they haven't even followed basic scientific theory (ie do a blind test).

[musicoverall]

The height of ignorance is someone telling another person that they absolutely can hear when they haven't even followed basic scientific theory (ie do a blind test).

Thank you for proving my point about the height of arrogance And calling me an ignorant idiot on top of it all! Wow! That's gotta be off the charts! But I'm sure one happy ignorant idiot! You, on the other hand, seem disconcerted to say the least. May I suggest a cable change? Perhaps you're listening to too much distortion!

When you follow scientific theory and do blind tests to determine all your preferences, come back and we'll talk.

I recall reading someone post on this site once that it was the yeasayers that were the most rude and condescending. Guess they were wrong.

[magictooth]

Thank you for proving my point about the height of arrogance And calling me an ignorant idiot on top of it all! Wow! That's gotta be off the charts! But I'm sure one happy ignorant idiot! You, on the other hand, seem disconcerted to say the least. May I suggest a cable change? Perhaps you're listening to too much distortion!

When you follow scientific theory and do blind tests to determine all your preferences, come back and we'll talk.

I recall reading someone post on this site once that it was the yeasayers that were the most rude and condescending. Guess they were wrong.

Ignorance can generally be defined as a state of being uninformed, unaware, and/or uneducated. I feel that it is extremely ignorant to pass off as real knowledge anecdotal comparisons between cables when there hasn't been any type of meaningful testing done. I feel that some people are ignorant when they insist on misleading innocent newbies. This is probably my biggest beef. I was led down the garden path by people making statements such as I've seen by all the yeasayers here. I still have and use a set of speaker cables that cost about $18/ft. I still have and use a single pair of 3' ICs that cost about $150. At the store where I bought the cabling, you're for damn sure I could hear a difference in their sighted tests. And you could be for damn sure that for at least 2 years, I could tell a difference in sighted testing at my home. Some time ago, I compared these ICs in blind tests to several different types of ICs and couldn't hear a difference. you can only imagine my surprise.

You're right about one thing. I probably listen to too much distortion. I like my tube amp a lot.

As for being rude and condescending, I'm doing like Simon on American Idol does it: I'm only telling it like it is.

[musicoverall]

Ignorance can generally be defined as a state of being uninformed, unaware, and/or uneducated. I feel that it is extremely ignorant to pass off as real knowledge anecdotal comparisons between cables when there hasn't been any type of meaningful testing done. I feel that some people are ignorant when they insist on misleading innocent newbies. This is probably my biggest beef. I was led down the garden path by people making statements such as I've seen by all the yeasayers here. I still have and use a set of speaker cables that cost about $18/ft. I still have and use a single pair of 3' ICs that cost about $150. At the store where I bought the cabling, you're for damn sure I could hear a difference in their sighted tests. And you could be for damn sure that for at least 2 years, I could tell a difference in sighted testing at my home. Some time ago, I compared these ICs in blind tests to several different types of ICs and couldn't hear a difference. you can only imagine my surprise.

You're right about one thing. I probably listen to too much distortion. I like my tube amp a lot.

As for being rude and condescending, I'm doing like Simon on American Idol does it: I'm only telling it like it is.

And I feel it is not only ignorant but ridiculous for anyone to infer that because they can't tell the difference between two cables, that the rest of the world can't, either. I've never seen a post from even one of the naysayers that says they might be wrong. I'm willing to admit that cable differences might be a result of my imagination. So I'll use the word if... IF someone ever does show that there are sonic differences between two different cables using the convoluted and overly complicated DBT method that you espouse, what then? Are you that sure you're right and I'm wrong?

Telling it like it is or telling it like you believe it? If misleading someone is advising them to try it for themselves, to listen in their own system because different cables react differently in my system than in theirs, to listen and if they hear no difference to buy the cheap generic cables... if that's misleading them, most people do that kind of thing every single day of their lives with all kinds of things. If that's ignorant, I accept that badge. It must be absolute hell to have to prove everything to yourself over and over, day in and day out. You have my pity.

[magictooth]

And I feel it is not only ignorant but ridiculous for anyone to infer that because they can't tell the difference between two cables, that the rest of the world can't, either. I've never seen a post from even one of the naysayers that says they might be wrong.

You still don't get it. For human studies, the aggregation of scores on a large scale and extrapolation of the finding is the only way that you can accurately assess the validity of a claim. From what you're saying, we would need to test each and every person on the Earth in order "to prove" to you that sighted testing is invalid. My fervent hope is that one of the yeasayers proves us wrong. If you are able to, please present your findings.