Pro-Ject TT

[bob r]

Hi! to all here am new here lol but not new to stereo EQ i have 2 power Amp's NAD S200 with a NAD s100 pre-amp and polk SDA Flag ships with 2 M&K sub's and a new TT Pro-Ject Debut carbon Ortofon 2M Red the TT i just got 4/11/2013

[bob r]

So now do you still get any noise when listening? They shouldn't sell stuff they can't set up. Vibrations do cause issues, if nothing else, it effects the sound. I'm not sure how your cartridge mounts, if tiny wires check to make sure firmly in place, if it plugs in make sure the screw is in place, there should be a screw that goes in the side of the cartridge to hold it in place to the arm. If your subs are too close to where the table is it could also cause issues. You might check around online to look for Do-It-Yourself (DIY) items to help with vibration control. You might also post your issue again in the "analog" forum, there are guys here that know a lot more about turntables than me

[bob r]

am back to answer you i still here the Hum it is not as loud as it was after taking out the rubber grommets that no one at the store knew about even the table that was on display still had them under the motor mount
their are two screws you take out (for shipping ) when i left the store the salesman
took them out for me and theirs and no where in the manual does it tell you to remove them

anyways i am not to happy with the Hum from this table

[JohnMichael]

I wonder if you have hum or feedback. Feedback is when you have speakers with good bass and the bass vibrates the tonearm and cartridge and those vibrations are replayed and create a feedback loop. If it is simple hum make sure your turntables ground wire is attached to the ground on the back of your preamp. In some rare conditions you will have less hum with the wire detached.

If it is acoustic feedback moving your table on a more solid stand or further from the speakers may help.

[bob r]

Thanks to all of you for replying i am thinking the same thing but when i went back to the dealer they had the same table as i do set-up in their front sound room as you walk in the front door it's the first thing you see

and they have a pair of martian Logan's speakers and the TT in the middle the day i went back they had the same Vibration coming from the turntables tone arm as i do

And thats when we both found out that the rubber grommets under the transport were also still their and no one new about removing them

After they removed them the Vibration did get a lot less but you could still feel it when you touch the tonearm

i have tried the ground wire that was the first thing i did was to remove it to see if the Hum got louder and boy did it

[blackraven]

Thanks to all of you for replying i am thinking the same thing but when i went back to the dealer they had the same table as i do set-up in their front sound room as you walk in the front door it's the first thing you see

and they have a pair of martian Logan's speakers and the TT in the middle the day i went back they had the same Vibration coming from the turntables tone arm as i do

And thats when we both found out that the rubber grommets under the transport were also still their and no one new about removing them

After they removed them the Vibration did get a lot less but you could still feel it when you touch the tonearm

i have tried the ground wire that was the first thing i did was to remove it to see if the Hum got louder and boy did it

Have you spoke with some one from Pro-Ject about the issue? I considering buying the Debut or the Rega RP1 but after hearing this and reading about issues with the RP1 tone arm ground wire and platter wobble, I think that I will pass.

[dean_martin]

I can relate. After using an old table I had from thethe early 90s and trying 2 old tables off ebay, I bought a new pro- ject entry-level table. That was at least 10 years ago. I had forgotten that the first one had a problem with one channel dropping out. My retailer put me in touch with someone at sumiko which was the pro-ject distributor at the time. Even though my retailer should've handled the problem, my contact at sumiko shipped me a new table and all was well. I've read that my contact at sumiko (can't remember his name) is no longer there and customer service has suffered since he left. Do a little online research, find out who the current distributor is for your country and call or shoot them an email if you can't go through a pro-ject retailer.

[blackraven]

I have read nothing but mostly good things about the Debut TT. I am surprised that you are having problems.

[bob r]

With the one i have one channel started dropping also but only the Highs dropped in that channel
unbelievable i know it has to be the cartage 2Mred or maybe the wires in the tone arm?

[02audionoob]

That experience is a little strange - that's for sure. And now your turntable sounds good? And the dealer still doesn't know it is quieter with the screws in. Weird. As long as you got it set up and sounding great, all's well that ends well. It kind of shows you someone can be in the business a long time and still just plain wrong.

[02audionoob]

Frenchmon - Henley's fix is for the Debut III. Bob's turntable is a Carbon.

[bob r]

you are right the fix is for the Debut 111

[frenchmon]

Oh...my bad noob...I thought the only difference in the two was one has a carbon tone arm and different plater?

[02audionoob]

The Debut III has the motor hanging on a rubber ring, like Pro-Ject has been doing for a long time. The instructions were to remove the transport screws from the motor mount flanges.

With the Carbon, Pro-Ject put Sorbothane grommets under the motor mount flanges and screwed them down, with no instruction to remove the screws.

[bob r]

i agree with 02audiono and i was not the one that had remove them in the first place
if i would of order it from the needle doctor i would of had the TT way before the store did as i have said i did wait over 3 months just because i wanted to do business in my own city and to have the in person experience

I would of read the instruction and as you have stated they don't tell you to remove them

And now i am wondering if i have over tighten the screws so far i have only snugged them down so far in fear over tightening them
( keeping on the safe side)

i have sent them another E-mail and asked them to send me a new motor because on the phone they offered to do it and i will put it in maybe but i want to run it first to see if it feels better to the touch

i feel like this should of not happen and feel like i am on some kind of mission

Thanks to all that have replied to this Thread you all have helped me a lot

Peace from the front line's
Bob

[bob r]

Thanks to all of you they are going to send me another Motor so that i can put in in myself
do any one of you know how to do it or could somebody let me know How to?

thanks again

Bob

[02audionoob]

Check out this thread -

The MMF-5 is back in action

[bob r]

heres the update i have the new motor i have not put it in as of today had some other things to do

thanks for the link am sure it will help and it doesn't seam to hard at all the store had offered to do the work but i am going to Waite until the end of this month
to see what they may do about giving me a new table as they have said they would

[02audionoob]

The problem could perhaps be related to how the motor suspension is installed. I don't really know--just a possibility. If that turned out to be the case, having one professionally repaired might be better than new.

[bob r]

Thanks you seam to always post replies that make a lot of sense i think the first thing i will do is run the motor alone or without mounting it to the TT (suspension)

It would be nice if the Store where i brought it from would be a little more helpful
and concerned as i have posted the TT they have hocked up and on display when you walk thought the front door still has the rubber things missing and the mounting screws out and you can surely fell the vibration when you touch the tone arm

Even after the salesman and his manager told me to put them back inn and putting them back really did help a lot it my opinion.

02audiono has maid some great points and somethings for us to think about and it's why i haven't done anything as of yet.

i do know one thing if they do what they say's and give me a new turntable i will unbox it at the store the first time i went in to buy the TT he did want me to take the TT they had on display saying it had only been playing for a few hours i would of never done that without a deep discount even then it would of had to be a Deep
one

I am one of what some may say (NUTS) about my Audio system and only a few have even touched the volume control most wouldn't know even how to turn the master power switch on because i have a PanaMax every thing powers up from that
with 3 second delays for the Amp's i will save the Questions i have for all of that in another Thread

back to the fix
I sure understand how allanc feels about his brand new TT because it was also my first TT in years and i waited over 3 months for the store to get them inn from
Pro-Ject.

i rushed home and begun playing my LP's i could even here the HUM/ noise in another room at that time i wasn't to worried because i knew it had to be the ground wire (easy fix) i thought

[02audionoob]

I too was thinking the "bad batch" story might be a stall tactic. Of course, who knows what the truth is. Maybe they're ALL a bad batch.

[frenchmon]

Not that Xtention 10! Hopefully thats my next table!

Pro-Ject Xtension 10 Superpack Turntable System - Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity

[allanc]

I've just finished setting up my replacement TT and guess what -- I still hear hum but not quite as loud as from the TT I returned. Still, it is clearly audible with the HiFiNews test record at normal listening volume. I've tried loosening the motor mounting screws (not yet all the way) but there is no real change.

So then, how much hum is too much? Any suggestions as to what might fix this? Think I should remove the screws entirely?

Thanks. Allan

[bob r]

i am sure by now that you have removed the screws entirely as i have said a few pages back in this thread that is what the dealer/store did when i brought my TT

At that time i didn't know anything i figured the Dealer new how to set the TT up because they sell TT all day long and i buy one every 10 years My B&O was a great TT back in the day but i could not find parts to fix it i did take it to the repair shop first because i had two Cartridges MMC5 one i used for older LP and saved the other one for new LP

Anyways
Back to story i have sent E-mails to the needle Doc and to a lot of other dealers they have not heard of any new Line coming out from Pro-ject

[frenchmon]

Anyways
Back to story i have sent E-mails to the needle Doc and to a lot of other dealers they have not heard of any new Line coming out from Pro-ject

All I know is whats new releases at Henley designs.

Henley Designs

Sumiko may be able to get them for you...as they are the US distributor. Call them up, you never know.