Ortorfon OMB-10

[frenchmon]

I'm jumping up a notch to the MMF 5.1 with the Goldring 1012GX cartridge. This guy also carries VPI and Acoustic Signature so I'm sure to get a glimpse of some nice tables.

I would say its more than a notch..Congrats Jack....I will be moving up in about 6-12 months to the Pro Ject 1 Xpression III...the one in the picture. Am still enjoying the MMF2.1

[frenchmon]

Ok PoppaC. Just now got the 2M Red installed and fired her up....first impressions...A tad warmer than the OMB 10. nice sound stage, detailed not as strong of a bottom end....nice mids and highs...and best of all, no sibilance. I have it set to Ortofons stats of 1.8g so that may be why the bottom end is little, and the fact that its about 35 minutes broken end. Its not as sensitive as the OMB-10. So the 2M Red will be on the table for a while now. Out of the Elan, OMB-10 and the 2M Red...its the best of the lot. You should get a new needle for your broken Red..or perhaps go for the Blue.

[poppachubby]

I am using a Sumiko Blue Point right now, it shames the Red. I will either get a retip for it of a JICO SAS for my Shure.

[frenchmon]

I am using a Sumiko Blue Point right now, it shames the Red. I will either get a retip for it of a JICO SAS for my Shure.

Oh yeah ...no doubt....I think the Blue Point cost about $300 or something like that correct? To much coin on this table. I may go ahead and get a Sumiko Pearl in a few months just to compare now that you mention it. On second though, I've been thinking about the Jolida JD 9A Phono Preamp, tubes and nice reviews...might as well start putting a little aside for that and sneak it into the house so the missus wont notice it.

[02audionoob]

In my house, the missus isn't even asking how much this stuff costs. Man, I've got it good.

[poppachubby]

Sumiko Pearl is AWFUL. Please don't bother Frenchie. Save your money for something better than entry level. You should try a Denon DL 160.

[02audionoob]

You could get a Goldring 1012GX for around $200 at this UK site:

https://shop.mantra-audio.co.uk/acat...artridges.html

[Jack in Wilmington]

That cart and table combo kicks. I've heard it a couple of times. The 1012 is a great cart, you are in for a real treat.

Thanks for the engouraging words. I'm in uncharted territory when it comes cartridges. I counting on you guys for a little guidance. By the way Poppa I got a couple of the record clamps done. Nothing fancy for the first time. I'll work on a design. The boss finally took a couple days off and it gave me time to play. They are out at the platers getting black anodized. They should be back this week. I can send you one if you'd like?

[Mr Peabody]

Frenchmon, have you looked at the Bellari tube phono stage? I haven't heard them but some have recommended them as being able to perform beyond their price range. www.spearitsound.com carry them. Actually, they are a Jolida dealer as well, I believe, Jack may be able to give you a good idea of how the two would compare. Email Jack during the week, on the weekend his helper sometimes answers for him and he isn't as informative.

[Mr Peabody]

Frenchie, you are quite the Jazz buff. You will have to bring some stuff over for me to check out next time and quit having me play that devil music

I like Fusion quite a bit like Jean Luc Ponte, Return To Forever and all it's members solo stuff, Dave Grusin, Marcus Miller, Pat Coil and the like. My favorit acoustic Jazz players to date are Roy Hargrove, Scott Hamilton and Gene Harris. I like some of Count's stuff in stereo. Can't stand that "free forum" stuff that sounds like every one is playing a different song at the same time. I like a rocking B3 as well, Jimmy Smith or Eric "The Scorch" Scortia.

[frenchmon]

In my house, the missus isn't even asking how much this stuff costs. Man, I've got it good.

She wont come down in the 2 channel room to often but when she does she does a 360 and when she spots something I get the old eye roll. A friend of mine asked me...he said " man who wears the drawers in your house? to which I replied..."man I wear the drawers in my house! But she wears them too"

[frenchmon]

Sumiko Pearl is AWFUL. Please don't bother Frenchie. Save your money for something better than entry level. You should try a Denon DL 160.

Good advice...

[frenchmon]

You could get a Goldring 1012GX for around $200 at this UK site:

https://shop.mantra-audio.co.uk/acat...artridges.html

You know noob....after I listen to the Elan for a while it wasn't bad at all in my sysytem. It had a warm character to it....is that common with Goldring carts?

[frenchmon]

Thanks for the engouraging words. I'm in uncharted territory when it comes cartridges. I counting on you guys for a little guidance. By the way Poppa I got a couple of the record clamps done. Nothing fancy for the first time. I'll work on a design. The boss finally took a couple days off and it gave me time to play. They are out at the platers getting black anodized. They should be back this week. I can send you one if you'd like?

What? Jack you and Poppa building your own clamps? Got pictures?

[Mr Peabody]

Don't you have to be careful adding weight to the platter, like clamps? I'm not sure my Rega could handle any drag.

[frenchmon]

Frenchmon, have you looked at the Bellari tube phono stage? I haven't heard them but some have recommended them as being able to perform beyond their price range. www.spearitsound.com carry them. Actually, they are a Jolida dealer as well, I believe, Jack may be able to give you a good idea of how the two would compare. Email Jack during the week, on the weekend his helper sometimes answers for him and he isn't as informative.

Actually MrP...I forgot to mention to you in the earlier email, while at Wylies...He had a Bellari connected to the VPI. It had a nice warm sound to it. He got the Musical Design tube preamp without the phono stage so being a dealer, he has the Bellari. It sounded pretty good to me. I asked him how did he think it sounded, and he said he really does not have any other brand to compare it too. But as far as I could tell it had things sounding pretty mellow to me.

[frenchmon]

Frenchie, you are quite the Jazz buff. You will have to bring some stuff over for me to check out next time and quit having me play that devil music

LOL...and you got plenty of that stuff too...lol

I like Fusion quite a bit like Jean Luc Ponte, Return To Forever and all it's members solo stuff, Dave Grusin, Marcus Miller, Pat Coil and the like. My favorit acoustic Jazz players to date are Roy Hargrove, Scott Hamilton and Gene Harris. I like some of Count's stuff in stereo. Can't stand that "free forum" stuff that sounds like every one is playing a different song at the same time. I like a rocking B3 as well, Jimmy Smith or Eric "The Scorch" Scortia.

Yeah I love some good free form...being an x pot smoker and pill popper.

[frenchmon]

Don't you have to be careful adding weight to the platter, like clamps? I'm not sure my Rega could handle any drag.

Just as long as you don't get one that's to heavy. I just order a Bren1 clamp. I've read they help improve the sound...I'll see.

[frenchmon]

noob...I forgot to mention that my dealer friend closed his shop a few years back and started selling from his home. He is a dealer for all Music Hall products which means he sells Goldring as well. Because of no over head of a store, he can sell at very good prices. What does that same Goldring cart go for in the states?

[Jack in Wilmington]

Don't you have to be careful adding weight to the platter, like clamps? I'm not sure my Rega could handle any drag.

Mr. P, Poppa found some prints and dimensions on line and I whipped up a program and ran off some prototypes. They recommended a weight of 350g if I remember. Just something to do while I'm stuck at work.

[02audionoob]

noob...I forgot to mention that my dealer friend closed his shop a few years back and started selling from his home. He is a dealer for all Music Hall products which means he sells Goldring as well. Because of no over head of a store, he can sell at very good prices. What does that same Goldring cart go for in the states?

Musicdirect has it at $450.

You know noob....after I listen to the Elan for a while it wasn't bad at all in my sysytem. It had a warm character to it....is that common with Goldring carts?

In general, I'd say yes. I currently have three Goldring cartridges and they're different but they lean to the warm side of something like the Ortofon cartridges.

[poppachubby]

Jack I would love a weight. I'll post some pics of the one I am using right now. Maybe tommorrow.

[poppachubby]

Don't you have to be careful adding weight to the platter, like clamps? I'm not sure my Rega could handle any drag.

Generally speaking, no. There is no "drag" created by a weight or clamp. If your platter can't handle a weight on it, I would say you would have more to worry about with your table, like stability.

Some people don't like clamps, and depending on table design they can help bring up vibrations from the spindle onto the LP. For this reason I prefer a weight.

Sonically, a weight is probably the best upgrade in terms of price/performance for a TT. Tracking improves noticably so usually things like bass and midrange smoothness improve instantly.

I have a couple of DIY weights kicking around Peabody. I could send you one if you like. PM me your address. Regas have the short spindle, right?

[frenchmon]

Man PappaC....I wish I knew you guys where into making weights...I could have purchased from you. I may be needing another if I get a second table. I just purchased one from a guy in North Carolina....heres a picture...oh and post a picture of the ones you and Jack are making...heres mine. The one in the picture is gold in color, mine is silver.



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[frenchmon]

Musicdirect has it at $450.



In general, I'd say yes. I currently have three Goldring cartridges and they're different but they lean to the warm side of something like the Ortofon cartridges.

I think you said if I got one form over seas, I could get it for about $200? That would be the way to go. My dealer cant be a price of $200.