First jump into vinyl: LINN lp-12

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It's not just a case of tracking, it was also a case of getting over 105db of 20hz bass.

When those canon shots hit, it answered my question wheather or not this deck setup had bass.

The problem is, the needle had enough trouble staying in the grooves, but the massive burst of bass energy transmitted it's shock through the cement floor, up my stereo rack and into the table. It was scary.

NOTE to self: don't do that again.

[spacedeckman]

I got back in with a Planar 3, then to an LP12 just like yours. Had some isolation issues that I couldn't fix, and finally ended up with a VPI Scout. Although I like the Scout better than I did the LP12, the LP12 has a certain magic that really makes you want to listen to vinyl. I do miss it on occaison.

You did good. Like the other posters have said, that is a table for a lifetime with a little care. Glad you got it from a dealer so it got set up properly. That is critical with an LP12. The secret is out to someone else...just stay out of my vinyl haunts, I don't need the competition. Otherwise...enjoy.

[E-Stat]

... and finally ended up with a VPI Scout.

As did I. Used an Ariston RD-11s (predecessor to Linn with same motor) for nearly thirty years until recently acquiring a Scout. The VPI is a sweet TT for the price and does excel the Linn designs sonically.

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I wish I had a dollar for every time I heard "X" deck beats the LINN Lp-12 sonically. Even Micheal Fremer of stereophile said he liked the LINN better than some decks in the 35-75K range.

Every time I hear "X" deck, they ALWAYS compare it to the LP-12 as a de-facto yardstick for contest. Notice it's the Lp-12...not other brands/models.

What arn? what cart? what phonostage ? what amp? etc...
I highly doubt the lp-12 you heard had a $7k cart, $7k arm and $10k phonostage so you could really compare. The linn is just that flexible.

And then the argument comes full circle when 12 guys who own the Lp-12 say they like it better than anything VPI makes. Opinions are like a....... and so on.

It never ends!

I could have bought a Rockport hyperion, and someone would say "Yeah but the Lp-12 beats it" Noting that they always use the lp-12 as the standard. That says a whole lot.I have no urge/worries/intentions of moving to a VPI or anything else. As soon as I did something like that, I'd get 24 opinions that say "Yeah but the Lp-12 is better sounding and more involving".

The only way to win in this game is to buy what you like the sound of, and not worry who thinks what sounds better. Otherwise it's running on a treadmill after a dangling carrot you will never catch. No matter WHAT you buy...someone always likes something else better. I just met a guy who has a well prepped Rega deck, a p25 I think it was. Some chap asked him at the Bristol show (sneering) "So when are you going to upgrade to the SME?" He replied: "What's the bloody point?, I thouroughly enjoy the Rega. I'd be spending a lot of money just for the sake of change. Then, I'd miss my Rega"

It seems he doesn't listen to opinions, he listens to music.

"JANE! Stop this crazy thing!"

[rb122]

[QUOTE=Sealed]I wish I had a dollar for every time I heard "X" deck beats the LINN Lp-12 sonically. Even Micheal Fremer of stereophile said he liked the LINN better than some decks in the 35-75K range.

Every time I hear "X" deck, they ALWAYS compare it to the LP-12 as a de-facto yardstick for contest. Notice it's the Lp-12...not other brands/models.

What arn? what cart? what phonostage ? what amp? etc...
I highly doubt the lp-12 you heard had a $7k cart, $7k arm and $10k phonostage so you could really compare. The linn is just that flexible.

And then the argument comes full circle when 12 guys who own the Lp-12 say they like it better than anything VPI makes. Opinions are like a....... and so on.

It never ends!

I could have bought a Rockport hyperion, and someone would say "Yeah but the Lp-12 beats it" Noting that they always use the lp-12 as the standard. That says a whole lot.I have no urge/worries/intentions of moving to a VPI or anything else. As soon as I did something like that, I'd get 24 opinions that say "Yeah but the Lp-12 is better sounding and more involving".

The only way to win in this game is to buy what you like the sound of, and not worry who thinks what sounds better. Otherwise it's running on a treadmill after a dangling carrot you will never catch. No matter WHAT you buy...someone always likes something else better. I just met a guy who has a well prepped Rega deck, a p25 I think it was. Some chap asked him at the Bristol show (sneering) "So when are you going to upgrade to the SME?" He replied: "What's the bloody point?, I thouroughly enjoy the Rega. I'd be spending a lot of money just for the sake of change. Then, I'd miss my Rega"

It seems he doesn't listen to opinions, he listens to music.

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It takes some of us years to figure out what you already have. There are no absolutes in audio and even if there were, who cares? You love you LP-12 and there's no reason you shouldn't. Enjoy!

[maxg]

As did I. Used an Ariston RD-11s (predecessor to Linn with same motor) for nearly thirty years until recently acquiring a Scout. The VPI is a sweet TT for the price and does excel the Linn designs sonically.

E-stat,

I noted in the picture that you are running what appears to be a Clearaudio TQ-1 arm on that Scout.

Could we converse via email or something - I have ordered the very same arm on the Clearaudio Master Solution table and am awaiting delivery. Would love some clues as to its mysteries....

[hifitommy]

It's not just a case of tracking, it was also a case of getting over 105db of 20hz bass.

When those canon shots hit, it answered my question wheather or not this deck setup had bass.

The problem is, the needle had enough trouble staying in the grooves, but the massive burst of bass energy transmitted it's shock through the cement floor, up my stereo rack and into the table. It was scary.

NOTE to self: don't do that again.

as it is the fact that the groove takes about a 90 degree turn (some of the jackets have microphotographs of the groove). IF there are carts that can track it, there are about 2 or so in the world.

the cd should also be played low enough to not blow your speakers.

for some REAL music on telarc vinyl try pictures at an exhibition with lorin maazel and the cleveland orch. it is a WONDERFUL performance and the recording is top notch, and sounds better on vinyl than its own cd counterpart.

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as it is the fact that the groove takes about a 90 degree turn (some of the jackets have microphotographs of the groove). IF there are carts that can track it, there are about 2 or so in the world.
--YIKES!


the cd should also be played low enough to not blow your speakers.
My ATC's can handle massive trauma. Volume doesn't worry me, pops, bangs and spendy carts getting damaged do. I can crank the snot out of the telarc cd...it's just the Lp that scares me...

for some REAL music on telarc vinyl try pictures at an exhibition with lorin maazel and the cleveland orch. it is a WONDERFUL performance and the recording is top notch, and sounds better on vinyl than its own cd counterpart.

That Lp is on the shelf where I got the LP-12. I am returning there today for a new cart and more vinly. I have one version of Mussorgsky on vinyl, but it's a brass ensemble. I would like to get the Telarc LP or equivalent. Pictures at an exhibition is one of my favorite cd's.