Small or large speaker settings?

[shokhead]

You cannot localize these. That is you cannot tell anything is "missing" or out of place.

I guess thats where the difference is, because I dont agree here. While some people think bass is non-directional, I dont. I will agree that the lower the frequency, the more non-directional it becomes.

The point I am trying to make is, that I still want my mainspeakers to act as mainspeakers -- not satellite speakers. They have woofers for a reason, and they should use them.. this is especially true if you are bi-amping your speakers. There's absolutely no reason to forward those frequencies to the sub.

Besides, if its a 2/3-channel setup, the sub will already be receiving those frequencies.. you're just removing them from the mainspeakers, why?

If your sub is set up right,you'll swear the bass is coming from your main speakers. Set at 80 for the x over,that leaves plenty for your mains to reproduce and you can always go 60 or 40.

[vr6ofpain]

If you read the follow up to the review the the NHT Evolution B6's in the current issue of Stereophile, the writer apparently felt much better about the sound presentation running the upper half full range straight out of his preamp, compared to running it high pass with NHT's electronic crossover.

So in this instance running a speaker (the upper half) which consists of a tweeter and two 6.5" plastic cone woofers full range, apparently sounded BETTER than running them high pass.

I think it depends on the system. I'm starting to think there might be benefits to running even bookshelves full range if you listen at low to moderate levels (obviously as stated, at high dB levels, the less low frequency capable speaker will struggle and distort). I'm gonna try doing comparisons with my bookshelves (ported 6.5" woofer) running full range with my sub, and with them running high pass from 80Hz with the sub (how I have been listening to them for some time).

Food for thought.

[shokhead]

If you read the follow up to the review the the NHT Evolution B6's in the current issue of Stereophile, the writer apparently felt much better about the sound presentation running the upper half full range straight out of his preamp, compared to running it high pass with NHT's electronic crossover.

So in this instance running a speaker (the upper half) which consists of a tweeter and two 6.5" plastic cone woofers full range, apparently sounded BETTER than running them high pass.

I think it depends on the system. I'm starting to think there might be benefits to running even bookshelves full range if you listen at low to moderate levels (obviously as stated, at high dB levels, the less low frequency capable speaker will struggle and distort). I'm gonna try doing comparisons with my bookshelves (ported 6.5" woofer) running full range with my sub, and with them running high pass from 80Hz with the sub (how I have been listening to them for some time).

Food for thought.

Make sure its a dvd with some loud,20-25Hz LFE. Your mains wont like it. They will be sweating bullets. It will be like a guy thats 6'6" and 275 pounds with a 2" manhood. LOL

[vr6ofpain]

Make sure its a dvd with some loud,20-25Hz LFE. Your mains wont like it. They will be sweating bullets. It will be like a guy thats 6'6" and 275 pounds with a 2" manhood. LOL

Read the article and then respond. My personal opinion is the sound might be more 'full' or 'there' at lower volumes, without the negative effects of the speakers struggling.

Oh and by the way, most music DOESN'T have a great deal of 20-25Hz material. Either way, if you like your setup enjoy it that way. I'm just saying you shouldn't rule out the other way, because it seems that on some applications it works.

[Geoffcin]

If you read the follow up to the review the the NHT Evolution B6's in the current issue of Stereophile, the writer apparently felt much better about the sound presentation running the upper half full range straight out of his preamp, compared to running it high pass with NHT's electronic crossover.

So in this instance running a speaker (the upper half) which consists of a tweeter and two 6.5" plastic cone woofers full range, apparently sounded BETTER than running them high pass.

My center channel is remarkable similar in layout to the NHT Monitor 6 layout, and I've run my center channel both full range, and small, and I can TOTALLY agree that if your speaker sounds good run full range, then leave it that way!

There's a good reason for speakers to play as full a range as possible, it's called coherance. The more you shift the speakers output to a sub, the more "disjointed" the sound can become. Unless your speakers are sitting directly on top of your subs, then this will be a problem. Even if you can't detect the location of the sub, if the sub is several feet from the mains, espcially if your using one sub, and the output is from an offset location, you will get offset in both temporal, and phase responce in relation to the harmonics. That's not much of a problem when your using the sub for LFE, but for music it's not what you really want.