RGA where is your data?

[Florian]

This is not a flame thread!

This is a quote from our pal RGA:

Last night I measred the Apogee diva through spectrum anaylsis at the listening position and achieve a low of 24hz but at realistic levels managed 39hz (95db is realistic) and the speaker compressed above 100db -- attrocious wimpy ass loudspeakers

Now here goes my question.

1. What measuring device was used during your measurement?
2. What was the speaker distance?
3. Which version of the DIVA was it?
4. Who has the DIVAS (we know pretty much all)?
5. What power amlpifiers were used?
6. What crossovers where used?
7. What was the wall measurements?


I know for a FACT that RGA is lying, just as he has before about other speakers which are non Audio Note. I feel like the members of this forum deserve better, they should know the facts and the truth about their speakers.

I have here a actual measurement test conducted by Audio Vision Magazine in my home of the DIVA. As you can see when you follow this link www.apogeeclub.de/freq.jpg the actual fall off is -1db at 23Hz measured 13feet away using a 100wpc power amp.
The max SPL is 118db using a 100wpc amplifier at 13ft distance.

Now the big and final question.

I challange you to post real world measurements of the Audio Note in your room with a fullrange signal. You shall only use a demo software so that you cannot fake the results!

[JohnMichael]

Enquiring minds want to know.

[SlumpBuster]

If calling someone a liar is not a flame, then neither is this: Appogee sucks.

[Florian]

If calling someone a liar is not a flame, then neither is this: Appogee sucks.

Your confusing people with things. Apogee cant be a liar, its a bloddy company name. Besides i have FACTS he has FICTION!

[GMichael]

Waiter! Bring me water.

[SlumpBuster]

I didn't say Apogee was a liar. I said it sucks. Your the one who calls people liars. The correct word, and the one your looking for is "wrong." Try it with me now, "RGA is wrong." Rather than, "RGA is a liar... this is not a flame." "RGA is a liar... this is not a flame" is what we call in the States "Speaking out of both sides of your mouth."

[GMichael]

Waiter, I could use that water now, better than later.

[Florian]

Ok smart guy let me try again. RGA is full of **** whos sole purpose is to advertise for hotglue speakers and put down mayot systems he cant afford. The chance that he finds a Apogee DIVA (one of the most rarest and expensive ribbon speakers) close to his place yet alone with someone who measures them for him is pretty damn slimm. Now considering that they need new ribbons by now, no matter when he bought them means he would have found someone who has a rebuild pair, which means we in the apogee forum must know him.

FACT is it cant be, Fact is he has NO data, Fact is that what he says is pure **** with the sole purpose to piss me off. And hell, its working.

So you can either get outta this thread or take sides between FACT and FICTION!!

[zapr]

.......Who cares? Anyway, Paradigm RULES!......Zapr.

[FLZapped]

[center]This is not a flame thread!

[left]This is a quote from our pal RGA:

Now here goes my question.

1. What measuring device was used during your measurement?
2. What was the speaker distance?
3. Which version of the DIVA was it?
4. Who has the DIVAS (we know pretty much all)?
5. What power amlpifiers were used?
6. What crossovers where used?
7. What was the wall measurements?


[size=3][b]I know for a FACT that RGA is lying, just as he has before about other speakers which are non Audio Note. I feel like the members of this forum deserve better, they should know the facts and the truth about their speakers.

I have here a actual measurement test conducted by Audio Vision Magazine in my home of the DIVA. As you can see when you follow this link www.apogeeclub.de/freq.jpg the actual fall off is -1db at 23Hz measured 13feet away using a 100wpc power amp.
The max SPL is 118db using a 100wpc amplifier at 13ft distance.

To start with, your link doesn't work. Second, RGA said the speakers compress above 100dB, which is different from maximum SPL. Apogees own specs are 115dB, not 118dB and that is specified with 200 watts apparently, not 100 watts, so there is a 6dB difference here somewhere.

This is a review that can still be accessed:

http://www.apogeespeakers.com/review...s_june1988.htm

-Bruce

[Pat D]

To start with, your link doesn't work. Second, RGA said the speakers compress above 100dB, which is different from maximum SPL. Apogees own specs are 115dB, not 118dB and that is specified with 200 watts apparently, not 100 watts, so there is a 6dB difference here somewhere.

This is a review that can still be accessed:

http://www.apogeespeakers.com/review...s_june1988.htm

-Bruce

I suspect that the FR was measured with a small signal such as 2.83 volts. As to maximum levels, I seriously doubt that the speaker's deep bass output can keep up with the midrange and highs for maximum peak output.

[FLZapped]

I suspect that the FR was measured with a small signal such as 2.83 volts. As to maximum levels, I seriously doubt that the speaker's deep bass output can keep up with the midrange and highs for maximum peak output.

Yeah, that's usually the standard way of doing it, so you're assesment is probably correct.

-Bruce
(Happy New Year)