Okay, I am sick of hearing about lip syncing

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dean_martin

I deleted my post. I thought it was gone before anyone could respond. I realized we come from different "places" and have different backgrounds and experiences, although we do have some things in common. I may think whether Beyonce lip-synched is trivial, but I recognize that others may be interested in this subject. I think my post reflected my attitude toward the subject. Really, I was more interested in your experience in musical performance than what Beyonce did or didn't do, but that wasn't the thread topic.

---

You said what needed to be said :)

IMO lip syncing and singing live is not the same as energy and emotional levels are different. The energy and emotions a 'live' singer would get from an audience (and in this case the president) would be reflective in her singing. Beyonce got a chance in a lifetime to sing in front of the president, and she blew it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Smokey

You said what needed to be said :)

IMO lip syncing and singing live is not the same as energy and emotional levels are different. The energy and emotions a 'live' singer would get from an audience (and in this case the president) would be reflective in her singing. Beyonce got a chance in a lifetime to sing in front of the president, and she blew it.

---

Actually it was her second time. She sang "At Last" at the first inauguration.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Smokey

You said what needed to be said :)

IMO lip syncing and singing live is not the same as energy and emotional levels are different. The energy and emotions a 'live' singer would get from an audience (and in this case the president) would be reflective in her singing. Beyonce got a chance in a lifetime to sing in front of the president, and she blew it.

---

I in part agree with your comment here, with a side note. As a singer, you cannot get that energy or emotion if the conditions are not right. If you have not rehearsed with your band, and if it is too cold for the band to stay in tune, and your voice to be its optimum, then it will not happen. When you are on a stage that lofty, and everyone is watching and judging what you do, it not wise to take such a huge chance that you will fail.

I don't think she blew it at all. She was not out to impress or prove anything. She already sung for the President once, and she proved that she could sing her butt off.

BEYONCE At Last LIVE BARACK OBAMA MICHELLE Sweet Dreams Halo Inauguration Run The World 2013 - YouTube

Done live to a track, and well done IMO

In comparing this to my passion of dog training....you don't set a dog up to fail, you make sure it succeeds.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dean_martin

I deleted my post. I thought it was gone before anyone could respond. I realized we come from different "places" and have different backgrounds and experiences, although we do have some things in common. I may think whether Beyonce lip-synched is trivial, but I recognize that others may be interested in this subject. I think my post reflected my attitude toward the subject. Really, I was more interested in your experience in musical performance than what Beyonce did or didn't do, but that wasn't the thread topic.

---

Deano, no problem, and as you can see from my post, no hate towards ya. You are right, it is trivial, like most things that appear in the off topic section. I am passionate about what I know, and quite obviously ignorant as hell about what I don't know. That is why I don't talk about what I don't know. LOLOLOL.

Quote:

---

Plus, my therapist advised not to engage in confrontation outside of work.

---

My Doctor told me the same thing when I was diagnosed with Lupus. As you can see, I didn't listen.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by JohnMichael

Actually it was her second time. She sang "At Last" at the first inauguration.

---

Thanks John. I didn't know she sang in first inauguration ball :)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sir TT

When you are on a stage that lofty, and everyone is watching and judging what you do, it not wise to take such a huge chance that you will fail.

---

Well, this was not an audition.

Wouldn't you say it would have been better to sing live albiet not nailing every tone than to pretend singing live with lip syncing. She probably would'nt got as much bad press. Remember what happened to Milli Vanilli :D

Apparently you are my business, you seem to be interested in everything I do. It's sort of like living together. It's seems you know me quite well enough to make personal judgments about me.

Still, I would like a personal response from you to explain your aberrant behavior. You're not exactly stupid and yet you play the fool as if it's second nature. A person wouldn't act the way you do without having either a mental problem or an emotional problem. Which is it, mental or emotional. Don't be afraid to answer, perhaps I can help you.

I did notice that you never talk about having a girlfriend and so I suspect that your marriage ended when your wife found you with another man. That would also explain why you have no woman in your life now. That's why I asked you if you were gay. Is it that you are not ready to come out of the closet yet? It's okay, I'll understand if you're too embarrassed and ashamed to answer. Just let me know. I do know a couple of people near you that I can possibly hook you up with, but don't get your hopes up to high. I haven't spoken to them in a while and they may already be in a relationship. I'm here for you buddy.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Smokey

Wouldn't you say it would have been better to sing live albiet not nailing every tone than to pretend singing live with lip syncing. She probably would'nt got as much bad press.

---

I agree with you on this. I would never expect perfection and sometimes it's the mistakes that make a live performance more memorable, in a good way. A simple, "I'm under the weather" would be enough for me forgive every mistake. Heck, If the singers voice was completely gone and they admitted to lip syncing before the performance would be enough for me to look past it.

However, to just lip sync without saying anything about it is tantamount to robbery. I would just have bought the recording.

This only applies when I pay for a performance. If it's free, I don't make any judgments.

This would have been better instead of flat out deceit.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/SkhbpeL-8sY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by StevenSurprenant

He does this with personal insults, sounding more like a 2 year old throwing a tantrum rather than the actions of an intelligent person.

---

One doesn't have to swear to be abusive toward others... just sayin'

---

On the topic of lip syncing... I started reading this thread simply because I thought it bad form for an Presidential inauguration to 'fake' anything. Honestly, I think it would have shown more respect for the Office and the Nation to sing for real and blow it badly than to pre-record and sanitize it for for the TV audience.

I realize most everything is prepped for the camera now, and that's just the way it is. But were talking about the most sacred rite that our Nation gave birth to -- the peaceful transfer of power. We shouldn't be faking it.

But, then again. The real oath was performed the day before in private and this one was just for show anyway. Still, nothing about it should have been pre-recorded in my opinion. Disrespectful. I'm not blaming Beyonce she didn't press 'play'.

We know she can sing and is an excellent performer. It's generally acknowledged that she's at the top of her field. She has credibility in the bank. That's why I defer to her judgment. That doesn't mean I wouldn't have been disappointed to learn that I was listening to her prerecorded voice if I was there. But I wasn't so it doesn't really matter much to me.
I'm not buying the Milli Venilli (sp? - those douches aren't worth the time it takes to look it up) comparisons. Even before they were exposed there's no chance in hell they'd be invited to perform at an inauguration.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hyfi

This would have been better instead of flat out deceit.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/SkhbpeL-8sY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

---

Kind of reminds me of T, but seriously, what was her problem?

To all the haters who just want to make me wrong; Out of the horses mouth, I feel validated.

Beyoncé Knowles Sings Live at Super Bowl Press Conference; Explains Inauguration | omg! - Yahoo! omg!

Please pay attention to these words;

"It was about the President and the Inauguration so I decided to sing along with the prerecorded track, which is very common in the music industry," continued Beyoncé. "I am very proud of my performance.”

Like I have said for the last 17 years, I don't talk about what I don't know, I talk about what I do. Steve, you and Hyfi should follow that advise, it will save you a little embarrassment.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by noddin0ff

One doesn't have to swear to be abusive toward others... just sayin'

---

On the topic of lip syncing... I started reading this thread simply because I thought it bad form for an Presidential inauguration to 'fake' anything. Honestly, I think it would have shown more respect for the Office and the Nation to sing for real and blow it badly than to pre-record and sanitize it for for the TV audience.

I realize most everything is prepped for the camera now, and that's just the way it is. But were talking about the most sacred rite that our Nation gave birth to -- the peaceful transfer of power. We shouldn't be faking it.

But, then again. The real oath was performed the day before in private and this one was just for show anyway. Still, nothing about it should have been pre-recorded in my opinion. Disrespectful. I'm not blaming Beyonce she didn't press 'play'.

---

Noddin,

I would just like to add this little fact. It is not your reputation on the line, it was her's. If she blew it badly, then the world would be talking about her failure, and that can affect record sales, and the long line of people who jobs that would be affected. There is a whole lot of pressure when you think about it at this level.

Everything is shaped and sanitized for the TV audience. If it were not, then editing rooms, and PR people would not exist. You only have so much time to tell your story and give your performance. If it was not perfect in this climate, then everyone involved with the production of this event would be criticized, from the singer all the way to the President. You have no experience at this level, and therefore it is understandable that you really don't have any real scope or perspective of the impact. Let's be frank, neither do I, I would sit behind a mixing console. My performance is quite frankly forgettable - who remembers how good the live sound is?

I love your last statement...it shows you are thinking critically in the end.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by StevenSurprenant

Kind of reminds me of T, but seriously, what was her problem?

---

See how stupid you are, you keep repeating the same mistakes over and over, and guess what dummy - you are going to get the same result.

You have shown you are not all that smart. Her problem is she cannot sing, not even good enough to be considered bad. And you cannot understand that negative comments get negative comments. You both are pretty much alike, and you cannot criticize her based on that, you are guilty as well.

Just as I thought. Yesterday there was a dog pile when folks thought I was wrong. Today, crickets when it is found that I am right.

I challenge all of you hypocrites to do exactly what you asked me to do - come back and admit I was right, and you were wrong. If you cannot do this, then all of your criticism, name calling, and puffery can officially be dismissed as null and void.

I am not holding my breath on this, because I know none of these guys have the courage to do so, it was all about asking more than they were willing to give in the first place - and a very transparent agenda.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible

Noddin,

I would just like to add this little fact. It is not your reputation on the line, it was her's. If she blew it badly, then the world would be talking about her failure, and that can affect record sales, and the long line of people who jobs that would be affected. There is a whole lot of pressure when you think about it at this level.

Everything is shaped and sanitized for the TV audience. If it were not, then editing rooms, and PR people would not exist. You only have so much time to tell your story and give your performance. If it was not perfect in this climate, then everyone involved with the production of this event would be criticized, from the singer all the way to the President. You have no experience at this level, and therefore it is understandable that you really don't have any real scope or perspective of the impact. Let's be frank, neither do I, I would sit behind a mixing console. My performance is quite frankly forgettable - who remembers how good the live sound is?

I love your last statement...it shows you are thinking critically in the end.

---

I can totally sympathize with not wanting to fail at this level, although Beyonce is a big girl; she can survive the hit and still sell albums. Obama flubbed his lines and he still got to be President. Sad that the decision was to protect image rather than add to substance.

It's just my opinion that when one is talking about a event of importance to our Nation's transition of government -- the most overt demonstration of the power of the individual right to vote...we shouldn't be faking it. (Reading between the lines, it is still my understanding that, although she sang, she wasn't wasn't miked and what we --not me, I didn't watch -- heard was a recording she sang earlier).

Anyone invited to that stage that can't handle the heat should get out of the fire. Put an untrained grade school choir up there and let them sing like howling cats (or Rosanne) for all I care. Just so long as they're earnest, excited and don't fake it. That's all I need to be proud to be a citizen

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by noddin0ff

I can totally sympathize with not wanting to fail at this level, although Beyonce is a big girl; she can survive the hit and still sell albums. Obama flubbed his lines and he still got to be President. Sad that the decision was to protect image rather than add to substance.

---

Let's deal with the fact here, you comparison is not close to valid. The President is elected by us, and can flub his lines with no criticism. He is also not singing anything. Beyonce on the other hand has to answer to many people from her fans to her record company, and all of the parties in between. The American public is so finicky, there is no way we can predict she will survive or still sell any product if she flubbed this performance. I would rather err to the side of caution, rather than take the chance of potentially destroying my career. Especially if I have worked like hell to establish it.

Quote:

---

It's just my opinion that when one is talking about a event of importance to our Nation's transition of government -- the most overt demonstration of the power of the individual right to vote...we shouldn't be faking it. (Reading between the lines, it is still my understanding that, although she sang, she wasn't wasn't miked and what we --not me, I didn't watch -- heard was a recording she sang earlier).

---

Really, was this more about her performance, or was this about Obama inauguration? If it was more about the latter(as opposed to the former), her performance was not the show, but a small segment of it. We can't shift the emphasis to suit ourselves. Apparently the microphone was on(very low), as she stated she sang along WITH the track. This explains why she removed her ear piece near the end of her performance - she was probably hearing more of the performance track than she was hearing herself.
This could also explain why I heard that hollow sound in her vocals. That hollow sound is a sign that her microphone, and the microphone of her vocal track were out of phase, and possibly another reason to remove the ear piece - so she could hear more of herself.

Quote:

---

Anyone invited to that stage that can't handle the heat should get out of the fire. Put an untrained grade school choir up there and let them sing like howling cats (or Rosanne) for all I care. Just so long as they're earnest, excited and don't fake it. That's all I need to be proud to be a citizen

---

This is a blanket statement that cannot possibly be applied to every situation. Once again, it is not your reputation at stake, it is hers. It is very easy to sacrifice her in favor of our personal opinion, we have nothing to lose, and she does. This is called armchair quarterbacking.

When the conditions are right, she knows how to step up to the plate. Here is a prime example. She sang live, no band, and no sweetening of her voice(added reverb) at the Super Bowl press conference. Notice it was indoors and out of the elements.

Beyonce Sings National Anthem At Press Conference (VIDEO) - Huffington Post

You cannot expose yourself as a vocalist any more than this.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible

See how stupid you are, you keep repeating the same mistakes over and over, and guess what dummy - you are going to get the same result.

You have shown you are not all that smart. Her problem is she cannot sing, not even good enough to be considered bad. And you cannot understand that negative comments get negative comments. You both are pretty much alike, and you cannot criticize her based on that, you are guilty as well.

---

That's the best you can come up with?

I'm still waiting on your answer. Do you want me to fix you up with a date? The guy I'm thinking of is a singer so you might have a something in common. Before I do, I need to know. Have you ever been physically abusive in any of your prior relationships?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by StevenSurprenant

That's the best you can come up with?

I'm still waiting on your answer. Do you want me to fix you up with a date? The guy I'm thinking of is a singer so you might have a something in common. Before I do, I need to know. Have you ever been physically abusive in any of your prior relationships?

---

Be careful since Sir T the Terrible is straight that begins to offend others who are gay.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dean_martin

I'm not buying the Milli Venilli (sp? - those douches aren't worth the time it takes to look it up) comparisons. Even before they were exposed there's no chance in hell they'd be invited to perform at an inauguration.

---

They would definitely have to lip synch :D

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by JohnMichael

Be careful since Sir T the Terrible is straight that begins to offend others who are gay.

---

I don't believe him to be straight. I don't believe much of what he says. Either he's gay or no woman wants anything to do with him which is possible too. From what he says here, everything is about him. Can you imagine how that would bore a woman to death. I know it bores me. Either way, there is something missing in his life. If anything, he thinks more of himself than others do, but doesn't think he gets the recognition he deserves so he tells others how great he is. It doesn't work that way! He also thinks that by putting others down it enhances his status. I have a brother that's that way and all it does is make him look bad.

As for gay people, they are who they are and are no different than anyone else. I came to that conclusion 40 years ago before all this media hoopla. In fact, my personal experience is that , as a whole, they are kinder and more moral than their heterosexual counterparts.

Years ago, a coworker, who was gay explained what life was like for him. Working around other men was the same as a hetero working around women. The men would tease him, but this teasing would drive him crazy. Not because it seemed mean to him, rather because it sexually excited him and there was nothing he could do about it. On top of all of this, back in those days, there was a very negative social attitude towards gay people. There was nothing he could do about the way he was, it wasn't a choice. Anyway, because of all of this he led a life of misery, getting into drugs and alcohol to ease his pain. This man didn't deserve a life like that.

I told the truth when I said I know someone that lives near him, but I have to admit that I keep having second thoughts about fixing him up with T. This guy is a very good person and I wouldn't want anything bad to happen to him. T has an inclination to bursts of violence. It may only be verbal here on audioreview, but could just as well manifests itself into physical violence in the solid world.

I asked T if he was big or small because it was my experience that small men seem to over compensate. I had to deal with bullies when I was younger. I was much bigger and stronger than they were, but I would also back down from any conflict. That was my nature and it seemed to draw the bullies to me. I put up with the last one for two years until one day when I picked him up over my head and threw him across the room. I never hit him, but from that point on, he left me alone.

Let me ask you a question...

What kind of person is T beyond and excluding his education? Would you want you son or daughter to be just like T, to have the same moral values and temperament?

Thanks John, I get your point.

After a little more thought, I decided to put this to rest. I'm going to contact my friend in California and give him the link to this web site. He can read T's postings and decide if he is interested. If not, then I don't know anyone else out that way and T is on his own.

Singing into an unamplified mic, while the world hears a recording is called is lip syncing. The only people who may have heard her singing would be the ones within 20 feet.

You were still wrong with your initial without a doubt statement. Just deal with it however you have to.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by StevenSurprenant

............I told the truth when I said I know someone that lives near him, but I have to admit that I keep having second thoughts about fixing him up with T. This guy is a very good person and I wouldn't want anything bad to happen to him. T has an inclination to bursts of violence. It may only be verbal here on audioreview, but could just as well manifests itself into physical violence in the solid world.

I asked T if he was big or small because it was my experience that small men seem to over compensate. I had to deal with bullies when I was younger. I was much bigger and stronger than they were, but I would also back down from any conflict. That was my nature and it seemed to draw the bullies to me. I put up with the last one for two years until one day when I picked him up over my head and threw him across the room. I never hit him, but from that point on, he left me alone..............

---

What truly amazes me is how much Sir Temper Tantrum is willing to make himself look foolish and stupid to try and prove he's right. Personally, I don't give one rat's a$$ what a musically and culturally irrelevant "artist" such as Beyonce does. The fact that he is OK with this fakery speaks volumes to his ethics and standards.

Pressure of the performance???? Bwahahahaha...like she's the first to perform for an important event. My God.

As proven in another recent thread, the guy doesn't have the gonads to say these things to anyone's face. By hiding behind a monitor, it makes him the ultimate coward in my book.

I think it is friggin' hilarious how easy it is to pull this guy's strings tho. I think he's heading for a meltdown. I wanna be here to see it and maybe help it along when I can.

Carry on.

I am not prejudiced I have friends that are (insert minority here).

I find it interesting and a little suspect that as you are questioning his character you question his sexuality. You question if he has ever been abusive and I wonder why you went there. You reveal a lot about yourself in how you demean others.

As far as having a child like Sir T how would I know I have never met the man. I have only met a few members and the rest of you are merely words and ideas on a page. Cyberspace is not flesh and blood reality. Oh and as far as my having children I have to say not in this lifetime. Ever since health class and I learned how babies were made I knew they would not be in my future.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by StevenSurprenant

I don't believe him to be straight. I don't believe much of what he says. Either he's gay or no woman wants anything to do with him which is possible too. From what he says here, everything is about him. Can you imagine how that would bore a woman to death. I know it bores me. Either way, there is something missing in his life. If anything, he thinks more of himself than others do, but doesn't think he gets the recognition he deserves so he tells others how great he is. It doesn't work that way! He also thinks that by putting others down it enhances his status. I have a brother that's that way and all it does is make him look bad.

As for gay people, they are who they are and are no different than anyone else. I came to that conclusion 40 years go before all this media hoopla. In fact, my personal experience is that , as a whole, they are kinder and more moral than their heterosexual counterparts.

Years ago, a coworker, who was gay explained what life was like for him. Working around other men was the same as a hetero working around women. The men would tease him, but this teasing would drive him crazy. Not because it seemed mean to him, rather because it sexually excited him and there was nothing he could do about it. On top of all of this, back in those days, there was a very negative social attitude towards gay people. There was nothing he could do about the way he was, it wasn't a choice. Anyway, because of all of this he led a life of misery, getting into drugs and alcohol to ease his pain. This man didn't deserve a life like that.

I told the truth when I said I know someone that lives near him, but I have to admit that I keep having second thoughts about fixing him up with T. This guy is a very good person and I wouldn't want anything bad to happen to him. T has an inclination to bursts of violence. It may only be verbal here on audioreview, but could just as well manifests itself into physical violence in the solid world.

I asked T if he was big or small because it was my experience that small men seem to over compensate. I had to deal with bullies when I was younger. I was much bigger and stronger than they were, but I would also back down from any conflict. That was my nature and it seemed to draw the bullies to me. I put up with the last one for two years until one day when I picked him up over my head and threw him across the room. I never hit him, but from that point on, he left me alone.

Let me ask you a question...

What kind of person is T beyond and excluding his education? Would you want you son or daughter to be just like T, to have the same moral values and temperament?

Thanks John, I get your point.

---

JohnMichael, isn't it about time this thread was closed and/or moved to Steel Cage?

I'm amazed at the tolerance of moderators for gratuitous personal insults. Some sites would delete or redact this stuff.

I also observe that moderators have, and various occasions, been less tolerant of controversial topics, even in Off-Topic/Non-Audio, than they are for vitriolic personal abuse, (a.k.a. "flames"). Sorry, this make no sense to me.

For my part I'm the "don't give a rat's ass" category when it comes to whether Beyonce lip-synced -- I don't expect much genuineness from the entertainment or political industries in this day & age. It's all smoke & mirrors.