Florian vs. RGA

[Florian]

Also i apeal to the general intelligence to ALL members of this forum. The Apogee Duetta has not been made for at least 14years now. The typical response from some members is that "oh i heard these not too long ago", or that "i heard these at a dealer". The funny thing is that Apogee's are quite rare, and at their times were only avaliable for people with thick wallets. The odds that a member who just now reads this post says that he has heard them is more than suspicious. Dealers dont sell them for 14 years, which means that RGA has either friends who own all the speakers he says he knows and heard or he is simply lying. I belive its the later. By the amount of his posts and the amount of speakers he supposely knows (pretty much the same as Peter) and taken into consideration that he is studying in school leads me to belive that he is lying and infact has no knowledge over these systems at all. We in the ApogeeClub know the seriel numbers of these speakers, we know aprox. how many are made, what series they are and what they changed. Many know the designers personally and have a specialist who makes replacment ribbons to the exact same or better specs.

Please think about those words i just wrote and ask yourself. Does he really know all this, does he have the time? What are the odds that a speaker, as rare as this can easily be found for audition? How come he says that they only play a certain frequency repsonse, why literally dozens of reviewers and specialist come to opposite conclusions? Is he is just full of it and envious that he cannot afford such systems?

-Flo

[Florian]

I would please like to know how your supposely experiences can be so different from everyone elses? Fact is that what you are saying is wrong, this is not in question anymore. What is in question is why you spread such false lies, there is nothing to gain from it exept personal pleasure maybe? I find it offensive and wrong that you are trying to influence other members by bashing a product you totally lack knowledge off. When i critize the AudioNoteUK (not original AudioNote) speaker model J i speak of sound quality. You speak of facts such as freuquency response, efficency etc. and state false claims. This is very different from me and totally disshonest. If you add something to this post, please explain why you are stating false facts on purpose and 2 minutes later erase your repsonse and edit it?

-Flo

[topspeed]

If you add something to this post, please explain why you are stating false facts on purpose and 2 minutes later erase your repsonse and edit it?

-Flo

Because RGA is more mature than you are. He's a fanboy. No big deal. You're so egomaniacal that you'll defend to the death a company that has been out of business for how long now? Their speakers still "function after 20 years" you say? What kind of obtuse logic is that? I've got Missions from the early '80s and my dad's AR's from the 70's are still making fine music. That proves nothing.

If you want proof of concept, all you have to do is see if the product is still being made. The market doesn't lie. If the product is good, regardless of price, it will be bought. I'm not saying the Apogee's aren't everything you claim they are, and to be honest I don't care. What I am saying is that you can talk yourself blue in the face defending Apogee and you still won't be able to refute that the vast majority of people disagree with you. That is a fact. How do I know?

Is Apogee still in business?

[Florian]

The sad matter of fact is that you have not read nor understood the posts that i have written. If you would have read them, then you would know that my problem is that he "lies" and posts "false" information about a speaker manufacturer. Let me repeat that, just for you. He is lying and putting down a speaker with false facts! The fact that i said that they still work after 20 years was only as a reply to RGA's false statment about the "longterm functionality" of a Apogee speaker.

Please only reply to this post when you can prove that RGA's post were correct and that all the specialist and reviews are wrong. I would aslo enjoy it very much to have a intelligent conversation with you, unfortunalty you did not read my posts and lack the knowledge of why Apogee went out of business.

-Flo

[noddin0ff]

Ah, those halcyon days of respectful disagreement...too bad money can’t buy civility.

[topspeed]

The sad matter of fact is that you have not read nor understood the posts that i have written.

Guilty as charged. I only glanced over it. Your rhetoric bores the hell out of me after a few sentences.

He is lying and putting down a speaker with false facts! The fact that i said that they still work after 20 years was only as a reply to RGA's false statment about the "longterm functionality" of a Apogee speaker.

Fact: the ad states the ribbons have been replaced. Fact: YOU replaced your ribbons. Now why would anyone question their durability?

Please only reply to this post when you can prove that RGA's post were correct and that all the specialist and reviews are wrong. I would aslo enjoy it very much to have a intelligent conversation with you, unfortunalty you did not read my posts and lack the knowledge of why Apogee went out of business.

When you grow up, you'll realize the simple truth about business; you're either in it or not. If you are, you're doing it right. If you're not, find another profession. Anything else is an excuse.

[Florian]

Well if you would ask me as to why i changed ribbons instead of making stupid asumtions than you would be a lot smarter than you are today. As a tip. There are more than one type of ribbon ;-)

[topspeed]

Well if you would ask me as to why i changed ribbons instead of making stupid asumtions than you would be a lot smarter than you are today. As a tip. There are more than one type of ribbon ;-)

If your Apogee's are "world reference" speakers from the factory, why change them?

Make sure you look behind you before you start backpedalling.

[Woochifer]

Is Apogee still in business?

Yes they are, but they're in an entirely different line of business now. They quit making loudspeakers about a decade ago, and now focus on digital amplification chips. Their chips are the primary components in high end digital amps such as the Bel Cantos.

http://www.apogeeddx.com

[topspeed]

Yes they are, but they're in an entirely different line of business now. They quit making loudspeakers about a decade ago, and now focus on digital amplification chips. Their chips are the primary components in high end digital amps such as the Bel Cantos.

http://www.apogeeddx.com

Are you sure that's the same company? If so, talk about taking an wildly different path. Sure, it's still audio, but still...

BTW, not to be a nitpicky ninny here, but I'm pretty sure Bel Canto uses the Tripath chip, itself a variation of TI's design. ICEpower by B&O is the other major player.

[Woochifer]

Are you sure that's the same company? If so, talk about taking an wildly different path. Sure, it's still audio, but still...

Definitely the same company. Their website mentions their history with ribbon panel speaker manufacturing.

Several other companies out there also use the Apogee name, one of which makes pro audio mixers and another used to make PC games (pioneered first-person shooter games like Duke Nukem and Wolfenstein 3D).

BTW, not to be a nitpicky ninny here, but I'm pretty sure Bel Canto uses the Tripath chip, itself a variation of TI's design. ICEpower by B&O is the other major player.

No prob, your info's probably a lot more current than mine. It's been at least four years since I last looked up this information, so things could have changed a lot in the meantime. Apogee looks like it's still a player in the digital amplification market, but I don't know for sure who currently uses their chips.

[Geoffcin]

Apogee looks like it's still a player in the digital amplification market, but I don't know for sure who currently uses their chips.

I think Florian has had a few of these chips installed somewhere on his person.