Florian vs. RGA

[noddin0ff]

I want to know how someone who can afford the gear, AND hook it all up, etc. ...can't seem to figure out a way to hold the camera steady. For $1700, I'd at least take a second picture.

[SlumpBuster]

Are the speakers behind the screen doors?

[Florian]

These are easy to drive and amongst the best speakers there are period. No point in a subwoofer and there are no integration issues. Now if you build in new Graz ribbons like in my DIVAS, youd be rocking up and down the street and waking your neighbors. Someone lucky is going to be very happy with them. Keep an eye out for the Duetta 2 Signature!

-Flo

PS: 4ohm impedance, around 86db efficency, down to 20Hz, fullrange, dipole with perfect integration and over 100db of SPL in a 40m2 room. If someone with with good ears and a nice place reads this then try them out and forget about all the stuff you read nowadays

[RGA]

I would make sure you listen to them before you buy them -- I was not impressed.

[Florian]

What a suprise. The Duetta doesnt go below 30Hz (your original post) is the same your best friend Peter Q said. Unfortunatly you have no clue and neither has Peter. If the person is interested go and listen to them, they all play below 30Hz and if you read the reviews you will see that they have output down to 20Hz same as all the larger Apogee models. This is why they quote "below 25Hz" or "below ?_?Hz". A lot depends on the distance to the wall and amplifiers. Run a 25Hz bass signal on the panel and feel the bass. Now to RGA, this post was as pointless as all the other posts about panel speakers. I wont get into it, since it your loss and afterall you dont know what your missing.

-Flo

[Florian]

The Duetta Signature I can tell you right now will NEVER get under 30hz not even remotely close. I have heard these in peron and their bass weight isn;t even up to a number of standmount speakers. Apogee themselves don;t even rate their largest speakers to anything deeper than 28hz. And the Duetta was not one of their big bass models -- expect no better than 40hz for that model with any kind of real driving prowess. Also expect a rather beamy sound a brightish upper midbass lower treble sound with plenty of sizzle. And they were also noted to suffer numerous failures so be prepared to start spending big money constantly repairing them. Overpriced loudspeakers with poor construction quality tend to go out of business -- and gee they did.

This is the reason why i simpy can't stand you. You have no knowledge of loudspeakers at all. Absolutly no real experience and tend to bash things you do not understand. I guess schoolboys tend to do that. One of the reasons why i dont read these forums much anymore. You have not read one review, eventough you are a review fanatic. That Apogee's still exist over 20 years and still function, is of no concern to you. The best thing for you is to live in that high quality construction of the Audio Note speakers and shut yourself off from the real world completely. I am suprised how someone with such inferior intelligence can reach such a status with some members. Simply amazing.

-Flo

[Florian]

Just a slight quote from Martin Colloms and other reviewers about the Apogee Duetta.I can asure people that RGA's response was simply to make them look bad. I seriously doubt his knowledge and experience. He has shown in the past to quote directly from the AudioNoteUK (not the original AudioNote maker) specs which are false and display the total lack of first hand experience. Take it from me, someone who owns these speakers and knows how they work. I would love to explain this to RGA, but unfortunatly he can only understand things from Peter. Quite sad, really. I hope that someday you will learn, RGA. Good luck.

Most of all Apogee's play well below 30Hz (all actually) and the larger ones have output at 20Hz but roll of at 25Hz. The large Apogee Studio Grand and Grand play below 22Hz and below 18Hz. For more information about these systems just email me and i will tell you the facts and not the lies and false information that RGA regularly posts on these forums.

I can assure you that it is possible to obtain a room curve using this method which runs within ± 3dB 25Hz to 200Hz, ±2dB 200Hz to 8kHz, with a gentle roll-off thereafter. (This latter effect is due to the finite directivity of almost all commercial tweeters at higher frequencies.) Blind listening tests have shown a consistently good correlation between perceived response and the room measurement.

The bass was well extended to 25Hz, and can be a mite too powerful in some rooms.

[Woochifer]

This is the reason why i simpy can't stand you. You have no knowledge of loudspeakers at all. Absolutly no real experience and tend to bash things you do not understand. I guess schoolboys tend to do that. One of the reasons why i dont read these forums much anymore. You have not read one review, eventough you are a review fanatic. That Apogee's still exist over 20 years and still function, is of no concern to you. The best thing for you is to live in that high quality construction of the Audio Note speakers and shut yourself off from the real world completely. I am suprised how someone with such inferior intelligence can reach such a status with some members. Simply amazing.

-Flo

And this is why you catch so much flak from some of the other veteran members on this forum, because of your persistent heavy-handed snobbery and intolerance of any opinions that don't square with yours. You bash others for being fanboys, yet here you are attacking anyone that dares to say that the Apogees aren't the best speakers ever made.

You seem to equate your personal opinions with universal fact, and that is a fallacy that's more symptomatic of a "schoolboy" mentality or "inferior intelligence" than anything that RGA posts on this board. I've had more than my fair share of heated exchanges with him over the years. But, he will acknowledge that his opinions reflect his personal preferences and admit when his facts are in error, while you seem to lack that capacity -- instead prefering to condescend, attempt to discredit, or otherwise slander anyone who doesn't share your worldview. Agree with him or not, he does plenty of listening and his opinions of the Duettas are comparable to what I observed in my listenings several years ago.

How many times are other people on this going to have to call you out before you figure out that a knowledgeable person can very well have an entirely different perspective from you?