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Originally Posted by BOXMAN
uuhhh yeah,,,,, the audio shop in Indianapolis that sells Krell along wit Mac and Polk... opened a hi fi shop and guess what....... no krell, huh?!?! Wonder why?? they do carry BAT and ARC etc...... You do the math
So besides the above, go listen to a Krell amp... not that impressive......
Which audio shop do you go to BOXMAN? I frequent AudioSolutions over in Broadripple...Graham and the boys are topnotch.
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Originally Posted by BOXMAN
uuhhh yeah,,,,, the audio shop in Indianapolis that sells Krell along wit Mac and Polk... opened a hi fi shop and guess what....... no krell, huh?!?! Wonder why?? they do carry BAT and ARC etc...... You do the math
So besides the above, go listen to a Krell amp... not that impressive......
There is room for preference when it comes to amps. Krell won't be my choice either, but I won't typify Krell as "mid-fi": it does some things extremely well, especially of course, the high-end models.
Me? What would I like to drive my Maggies? Well, not an Ampzilla ... I'd like a Pass Labs X250.5
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Originally Posted by bobsticks
Which audio shop do you go to BOXMAN? I frequent AudioSolutions over in Broadripple...Graham and the boys are topnotch.
Yep, those guys are great! I have been checkin out the new hi fi store in Castleton called Ovation Ultimate. They are the local Maggie dealer now... and they have Wilsons and Focals in stock and I enjoy listening to those..... still a planar guy, but those brands can make a dynamic speaker!!
Didnt AudioSolutions stop carrying ARC? I think that is one of my main reasons for not swinging by there as often.......
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First of all Boxman, if that is your opinion, I respect that, but it's difficult to understand how anyone could consider Phase Linear high end and then not recognize the superiority of Krell. Krell is a different breed of amp than Mac or ARC. Krell doesn't make you all warm and fuzzy listening to it but what it does do is reproduce the transcient response of real music like none other. Krell is also the apitomy of control. This can sometimes be a detriment for them to the untrained ear. What I mean by untrained is some one who is used to the typical amps with booming flabby bass and thinks that is bass. If you listen to a drum kit live and then to Krell with the proper speakers, like Dynaudio, the capability of Krell to reproduce the snap and impact of a live drum kit is nothing short of amazing. In order to do that they use extreme current for source to output. This can sometimes deliver a sound that some can't embrace and that's fine. BAT, ARC and Mac are all fine amps in their own right but none of them come close to delivering the strenths that Krell can offer. Well, maybe the exception of BAT solid state which I have not been fortunate enough to hear. Conversely, Krell falls short in the strenths some of those amps offer, for instance, Krell will never be warm and "musical" as a Mac, well, unless they change drastically :) It just depends on what you personally want your musical presentation to be.
I think the choice not to carry Krell has nothing to do with their sound. Our local Krell dealer who are diehard Krell supporters currently have nothing on display. When inquiring they just say things are up in the air right now, they haven't officially dropped the line but it's obvious they aren't selling any either. They are tight lipped on what's going on but with what you are saying about the other dealer, I really wonder..... is Krell being too demanding, is there a lack of product.... is there a story here or just coincidence.
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Originally Posted by Mr Peabody
First of all Boxman, if that is your opinion, I respect that, but it's difficult to understand how anyone could consider Phase Linear high end and then not recognize the superiority of Krell. Krell is a different breed of amp than Mac or ARC. Krell doesn't make you all warm and fuzzy listening to it but what it does do is reproduce the transcient response of real music like none other. Krell is also the apitomy of control. This can sometimes be a detriment for them to the untrained ear. What I mean by untrained is some one who is used to the typical amps with booming flabby bass and thinks that is bass. If you listen to a drum kit live and then to Krell with the proper speakers, like Dynaudio, the capability of Krell to reproduce the snap and impact of a live drum kit is nothing short of amazing. In order to do that they use extreme current for source to output. This can sometimes deliver a sound that some can't embrace and that's fine. BAT, ARC and Mac are all fine amps in their own right but none of them come close to delivering the strenths that Krell can offer. Well, maybe the exception of BAT solid state which I have not been fortunate enough to hear. Conversely, Krell falls short in the strenths some of those amps offer, for instance, Krell will never be warm and "musical" as a Mac, well, unless they change drastically :) It just depends on what you personally want your musical presentation to be.
I think the choice not to carry Krell has nothing to do with their sound. Our local Krell dealer who are diehard Krell supporters currently have nothing on display. When inquiring they just say things are up in the air right now, they haven't officially dropped the line but it's obvious they aren't selling any either. They are tight lipped on what's going on but with what you are saying about the other dealer, I really wonder..... is Krell being too demanding, is there a lack of product.... is there a story here or just coincidence.
Unfortunately it is hard to sit here and compare products... everything sounds different with different components, cartridge, speakers, interconnects etc...... So discussions like this can be very inaccurate........
I will never say Phase Linear is high end.... I will say that a Phase Linear amp is solid and has the balls to push Maggies....... the amp could be a little harsh.. I have never heard a 400. That was my point on that. I run GAS amps that have been reconditioned. When ran with Maggies, I think they have a great sound.. can I get better, you bet!! That much better... I personally dont think so..especially for the money!
I am not a fan of Mac gear... ARC, I like... certain products of theirs are very hard to beat!! They had a couple of "soso" products... but for the most part, great equipment! Can Krell bring life like sounds to the table?, maybe with the correct speakers... but Krell equipment is not in the same league as hi end stuff... I had a discussion with Florian about this... Here is a guy with a great stereo.... Can you get that sound with half the money, yes! He can now brag on this forum with his Grands etc... He runs Krells and other amps to push them.... He prob paid over $10K per Krell reference amp on that stereo... if he likes it, great! I would have obviously chosen a different line.. and to go as big as he did (we call it braggin rights here in Indiana) I wouldve thought he would have went bigger on the amps... to each their own!
I just wish you could have the chance to hear your Dynaudios with an Ampzilla pushing them.... you would then be a believer my friend.......
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Originally Posted by BOXMAN
Yep, those guys are great! I have been checkin out the new hi fi store in Castleton called Ovation Ultimate. They are the local Maggie dealer now... and they have Wilsons and Focals in stock and I enjoy listening to those..... still a planar guy, but those brands can make a dynamic speaker!!
Didnt AudioSolutions stop carrying ARC? I think that is one of my main reasons for not swinging by there as often.......
Yup, ARC went the way of the dodo there, though I think there may be some used units upstairs. They're currently concentrating on Mac, Cary and Classe but there's all kinds of goodies stashed away. Great service and accomodations too, I enjoyed home auditions with A Mac 861 and Krell SACD Standard and wasn't even asked to put a credit card down. Just try that at a standard B&M. Real "family" type stuff.
Thanks for the tip on Ovation. Next time I'm uptown I'll check it out...a boy can't have too many toys...
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Originally Posted by BOXMAN
I had a discussion with Florian about this... Here is a guy with a great stereo.... Can you get that sound with half the money, yes! He can now brag on this forum with his Grands etc... He runs Krells and other amps to push them.... He prob paid over $10K per Krell reference amp on that stereo...
I bet that's not what he says..
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Originally Posted by BOXMAN
He prob paid over $10K per Krell reference amp on that stereo...
Don't believe he paid that much, in fact i'm pretty sure of it.
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Originally Posted by audio amateur
Don't believe he paid that much, in fact i'm pretty sure of it.
If you read back in this thread he was braggin about it chief.....
and I wont even tell you what dollar he sent to me via email when we were discussing..
Stay with what you know audio amateur.....
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Originally Posted by BOXMAN
uuhhh yeah,,,,, the audio shop in Indianapolis that sells Krell along wit Mac and Polk... opened a hi fi shop and guess what....... no krell, huh?!?! Wonder why?? they do carry BAT and ARC etc...... You do the math
So besides the above, go listen to a Krell amp... not that impressive......
I happen to know some people with big Krells.
and as it happens I've heard their setup. I also listened to various other ridiciously expensive setups, with different electronics. While Krell wouldn't be my first choice, I can honestly tell you that they sure don't qualify as mid fi.
And while the GAS amps were good amps (and the new designs still are), they are entirely different sounding. And technically speaking, soundwise, they can't compare to a Krell, or a Mac, or a mark Levinson, or an Accuphase, or ARC.
ARC, by the way, wouldn't be my first choice neither. While I like music to sound 'musical', ARC sounds just way to slow for my ears.
Keep them spinning,
Bert.
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Originally Posted by basite
I happen to know some people with big Krells.
and as it happens I've heard their setup. I also listened to various other ridiciously expensive setups, with different electronics. While Krell wouldn't be my first choice, I can honestly tell you that they sure don't qualify as mid fi.
And while the GAS amps were good amps (and the new designs still are), they are entirely different sounding. And technically speaking, soundwise, they can't compare to a Krell, or a Mac, or a mark Levinson, or an Accuphase, or ARC.
ARC, by the way, wouldn't be my first choice neither. While I like music to sound 'musical', ARC sounds just way to slow for my ears.
Keep them spinning,
Bert.
I agree, A GAS amp might not sound as good as a Mark Levinson, or an ARC amp.... GAS is fraction of the cost also....
but I will run my Ampzilla against a Krell amp... The reference series(way overpriced) amps might sound a tad better....as they should.... they cost 10x's the GAS equipment. but most Krell amps, I would definitely run my GAS ampzilla against them...and the results would surprise a lot of people.
and lets not forget these Krell amps are brand new systems .... or maybe 5-10yrs old... but the GAS equipment is now 30 yrs old.....
and I am with you Bert, Keep them spinning........ there is nothin like vinyl!!!
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Freanor, your amp........oh yeah, that would do it for me.
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