speaker upgrading time!!!

[audio_dude]

Dude, i'm turning 15 in a month and I've had a summer job 2 years in a row already! (I make more than those shmucks at McD's...

But i'm keeping the one i usually have and getting a regular job too this summer, so i may upgrade again, depends

[GMichael]

Dude, i'm turning 15 in a month

You're making me look bad.

[audio_dude]

You're making me look bad.

glad to help

[basite]

you guys are allowed to do summer jobs from such a young age?

you lucky bastards...

Here in belgium we have to be at least 16 for that

have you considered buying vintage stuff from ebay or Agon? like a vintage JBL (the good times) or advents (like me) or other vintage stuff??

Keep them spinning,
bert.

[audio_dude]

yuck....i don't like vintage speakers :P (no offence)

weeeell... LEGALLY we can work at age 14... but most people won't hire you...

MY situation is special, my old neighbor runs a chip (french fries) stand and He offered me a summer job there working the cash and/or making poutine (if you've never tried it, PM me and i'll tell ya how to make it urself :P)

yeh, so i'm working under the table at 13 and 14, and probably this year too... but i'm going to get an actual job to go with that, so i should have enough money to upgrade to some nice used apogees by X-mas time...

[blackraven]

Jeez, 15 and wanting to buy Apogee's. Do I smell another Flo in the making?
Flo, maybe you can give the kid some pointers!

[basite]

this is definately even worse than flo...


but that isn't too bad isn't it??

Vintage speakers might not look good (i know, they're not like modern speakers on looks...) but if you have good ones, they will beat modern speakers costing way more...
but yes, they're not all beauties...
although I kinda like the look of my advents now...

Rock on,
Bert.

(Rock with a really big R )

[Dusty Chalk]

Well, if he starts saving now, then he'll be able to afford them by the time he's ready to retire. It's doable within his lifetime.

[GMichael]

this is definately even worse than flo...


but that isn't too bad isn't it??

Vintage speakers might not look good (i know, they're not like modern speakers on looks...) but if you have good ones, they will beat modern speakers costing way more...
but yes, they're not all beauties...
although I kinda like the look of my advents now...

Rock on,
Bert.

(Rock with a really big R )

I refuse to be jealous, I refuse to be jealous, I refuse to be.... Oh screw it! I AM jealous! 15 year olds looking at Apogees? It's just not fair I tells ya!!!!

[audio_dude]

well....Flo did get a hold of my MSN and I think by subliminal messaging he's converted me to planarism...

oh well, its cool... but one problem, i've STILL not heard a planar speaker in my life

he's THAT good.


I'm hoping another pair of Centaurs will come up for sale in Canada, then i'm gonna jump on 'em!

[GMichael]

I got to hear a couple of Magi 3.6's a while back. Very nice. Very nice indeed. Flo used to have a pair of the 20.1's. He claims that the Apogees are better.

[audio_dude]

the apogees ARE better (yeh, just wind coming from me... and probably the same from flo too...)

[jrhymeammo]

Now that I dont go to college, I feel....."older".

Well, I would get a good amp before getting your hands on some Aps.
Get a pair of floorstanders and a couple of 250 watts monoblocks, then consider planars. But then again, I wanna get a 100watt tube integrated just to "play" with MMG.

Consider PSB. Not a big fan of Peru but he isnt retarded.
I would stay away from Paradigms, cuz you've alreay got to know their sound.

[audio_dude]

LOL, but the new monitor line is a COMPLETLY different beast (i'm not kidding)

And (as flo says) I can run some apogee Centaurs off my current receiver.

After i get some centaurs, i'm going to buy a power amp and hook it into the preout on my receiver.

(and JR, how's the weather down in ol' lexington, kentucky?)

[jrhymeammo]

And (as flo says) I can run some apogee Centaurs off my current receiver.


(and JR, how's the weather down in ol' lexington, kentucky?)

If that's possible then it sounds like fun. As for weather,

It's warm but white all around. LOL!!!!

[Florian]

Oh what have i done

Actaully, the Maggies are very nice speakers but they really are no competition to a big Apogee, they just are not. I personally had .5's, 1.6's and 2x 3.6's. My best friend ran 20.1's for a long time on very top notch electronics from Forsell, Goldmund and Conrad Johnson. He currently has Apogee DIVA's and Duettas.

But anyhow.... i think a small Apogee Centaur Minor would make a nice little speaker. Its a bigger true ribbon then a 20.1 ;-), its a hybrid and yes it has some drawbacks but he has a good starting age its a great choice. It runs of the Denon but will easily grow with the electronics to 5K or so.

A good lil speaker that can be found used and is easy to repair in case something does happen. Apogee also make "affordable" speakers

A Magnepan MMG is nice too but he has a small room and no real backwall so the dipole bass is a problem in there, besides the big Apogee's like the Caliper, Duetta and up are very expensive to repair and need a serious room and electronics to get the best out of them. Its just not affordable for most.

[basite]

if you have a chance of buying those apogees, that would be great...

I too was thinking about planars once (and still am, actually) but they're kinda hard to place here (dipoles, of the maggie kind), but it should be possible...

anyways,
good luck finding those apogees dude, if you ever buy them, be sure to let us know

Keep them spinning,
Bert.

[Florian]

Hello Bert,

the small Apogee's are not planars. Quite a bit easier

[basite]

ooh!!

that makes it a whole lot easier...

Rock on,
Bert.

[basite]

I refuse to be jealous, I refuse to be jealous, I refuse to be.... Oh screw it! I AM jealous! 15 year olds looking at Apogees? It's just not fair I tells ya!!!!

hey, I'm 16 (and a half)

I don't see what's wrong with it, as a 7 year old kid you're looking at ferraris too...
and now we're a little older, and are able to make some money

Rock on,
Bert.

[GMichael]

hey, I'm 16 (and a half)

I don't see what's wrong with it, as a 7 year old kid you're looking at ferraris too...
and now we're a little older, and are able to make some money

Rock on,
Bert.

There's nothing wrong with it at all. There are far worse things that a 16 (and 1/2) year old could be getting into. I remember when I was 16. I was into, uh, well, uh, you just never mind. But if I had it to do over again, I'd have focused more on school.

[audio_dude]

I remember when I was 16. I was into, uh, well, uh, you just never mind. But if I had it to do over again, I'd have focused more on school.

yeahh, you gotta watch out for those girl types... all hassle and lots of money...

(unless you're refering to the MAGS... then thats just... go into the corner and hide your shame )

[audio_dude]

ok, well this thread is going nowhere fast...

Now, can we get back to the duscussion at hand?

Speakers, bookshelf or floorstanders for about $400-$600 CANADIAN

[E-Stat]

although I kinda like the look of my advents now...

Don't underestimate what Advents can do. A very inexpensive, yet beneficial improvement can be found by updating the crossover caps. That is if you have basic soldering skills. Minimize tweeter diffraction by putting a foam ring around the tweeters. Then double them. The tweeters benefit from mutual coupling to provide a slightly more natural midrange and image size is improved with a double pair (inverting the uppers). Harry Pearson of The Absolute Sound reported about the double Advents back in 1973. Last year, he heard my double pair of New Advents (circa '77) and his original opinion had not changed much. They remain faithful reproducers of music.

Although there is some good news and bad news. Some amps double their power into the lower impedance load of doubles. On the other hand, be careful with other amps because they aren't happy that the nominal impedance drops to 4 ohms and falls to a minimum around 2.6.

I get great results with a Pioneer PD-54 stable platter transport, Manley DAC with tube output stage directly into a Threshold Stasis 3 amp using JPS Labs cables and 14 gauge Philips speaker wire. I find it amazing how little clean power double Advents require. I get good levels at 4 watts output using a 400 watt amp.

rw

[audio_dude]

thanks for that, but right now i'm considering waiting 'til after summer to buy some speakers, because that will probably bring my budget to around $800-$1000