should have been more specific, the Vegas are out almost automatically not because of their reputation, but rather their looks

whatever i decide on would be powered by my denon 3808, i used to run separates but the cost was killing me and the pre-amps tend to be more expensive and less state of the art than even low end receivers (gotta have TrueHD and DTS:MA for blurays)

that being said i'm not against a decent 2ch amp/integrated, but then the $$$ start to add up