Recommend me some good subs around $600.

[RoyY51]

and within 50$ of the price of the Oultaw. According to a subwoofer shoot out in Sound and Vision, the PSB Subsonic 6i played lower, louder, cleaner and had a more uniform freqquecny response curve compared to all the other subs in that price range. The LFM-1 ran 2nd place.

I auditioned the PSB Subsonic 6i (along with a few others in this price range) and it was a very impressive unit. On movies, it sounded very similar to the Outlaw. With music, however, the Outlaw sounded faster, more responsive. Given that the LFM-1 is more powerful (325 watts compared to 225 watts), has a higher peak wattage (1000 watts compared to 600 watts), plays lower (25 hz compared to 29 hz), is drop-dead gorgeous, more nimble, AND sells for $50 less, I don't think that I'll be trading it in for the 6i anytime soon.

By the way, have you ever noticed how many and how large the PSB ads are in S&V? Something to consider...

[3db]

I auditioned the PSB Subsonic 6i (along with a few others in this price range) and it was a very impressive unit. On movies, it sounded very similar to the Outlaw. With music, however, the Outlaw sounded faster, more responsive. Given that the LFM-1 is more powerful (325 watts compared to 225 watts), has a higher peak wattage (1000 watts compared to 600 watts), plays lower (25 hz compared to 29 hz), is drop-dead gorgeous, more nimble, AND sells for $50 less, I don't think that I'll be trading it in for the 6i anytime soon.

By the way, have you ever noticed how many and how large the PSB ads are in S&V? Something to consider...

This review was done about 3 -4 years ago . Reviewing the specs of both, it seems the Outlaw has considerable more grunt now than it did during the shootout. Your posts of the subsonic6i specs were partially incorrect;
Amplifier Power
Continuous 225 Watts
Dynamic 350 Watts
Dynamic Peak 700 Watts

I also noticed the Outlaws adds are also as prominent as PSBs ...

[kexodusc]

This review was done about 3 -4 years ago . Reviewing the specs of both, it seems the Outlaw has considerable more grunt now than it did during the shootout. Your posts of the subsonic6i specs were partially incorrect;
Amplifier Power
Continuous 225 Watts
Dynamic 350 Watts
Dynamic Peak 700 Watts

I also noticed the Outlaws adds are also as prominent as PSBs ...

I'd pay much less attention to the power output (especially peak power) and more to the sensitivity of the woofers if given. If not take the peak SPL output spec and work backwards.
The LFM-1 write-up I have claims 115 dB with ideal positioning and placement with room gain - ie: in a corner.
Let's subtract the 6 dB or so corner gain, and we're at a healthy 109 max at Dynamic peak 700 power...working down to 1 watt I get around 82 - 85 dB sensitivity being generous - rather common for many 12" subs.

The PSB specs only claim 111 dB max SPL at a ridiculous 100 Hz (above most subs operating range) and no further details provided. Given the peak power of 700 watts as well, I'd assume the Outlaw has a bit more real output capability. In real terms, both will top 100 dB in most rooms and that's probably enough for most people. Which one sound better is another question all together. I've heard neither.

By comparison, my modest sub is powered by a 240 watt unit, but at 88-91 dB sensitivity it has no problem topping 112 dB anechoic (ie: no room gain) at 40 Hz and 240 watts <1% distortion...(I think peak power is 500 or something but those figures are unreliable). If I added 3 db for peak power and 6 dB for room gain I'm at 121 dB (too loud). Theory is a wonderful thing.

All this to say sub specs are too misleading and unreliable since there aren't really any conventional measurement standards. When you get into peak power you're sub is gonna be distorting and probably approaching it's mechanical limitations which throws sound quality to hell.

These days manufacturers throw inexpensive high-watt odd-ball digital style amps in subs with inefficient woofers and hope the 1000 watts or more acts as a selling feature.

[Bernd]

Guys, Guys, Guys....you want Boom Times. Just get one of these and have it done with.

[Grandpaw]

Guys, Guys, Guys....you want Boom Times. Just get one of these and have it done with.

I never thought about placing my center channel vertical to get more bass out of it, but doesn't it still need to be next to my TV? LMAO, Jeff