Philips powered speakers

I was wondering about this but I noticed that my Philips MMS321/17 PC speakers says they are 80 watts but I kinda wonder if that's true. This is what I see. Also on the front of the box it says 80 watts.



I saw this on a website about the speakers.


System Power

•20W RMS per Speaker
•40W RMS Total Continuous Power
•80W RMS Total Peak Power


This is also strange but I also noticed this is saying 80 watts music power from Philips website.


Sound
•Frequency response: 50 - 20.000 Hz
•Music Power: 80 W
•Volume Control: Analogue Volume Control
•Wires: Fixed Wires
•Sound Enhancement: Dynamic Bass Boost, Treble Boost
•Bass optimalization
•Bass enhancement: Dynamic Bass Boost
•Loudspeaker Enhancement: Magnetic Shielded LSB
•Output power (RMS): 2 x 20W

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Originally Posted by Dustin_Broke

I was wondering about this but I noticed that my Philips MMS321/17 PC speakers says they are 80 watts but I kinda wonder if that's true. This is what I see. Also on the front of the box it says 80 watts.



I saw this on a website about the speakers.


System Power

•20W RMS per Speaker
•40W RMS Total Continuous Power
•80W RMS Total Peak Power


This is also strange but I also noticed this is saying 80 watts music power from Philips website.


Sound
•Frequency response: 50 - 20.000 Hz
•Music Power: 80 W
•Volume Control: Analogue Volume Control
•Wires: Fixed Wires
•Sound Enhancement: Dynamic Bass Boost, Treble Boost
•Bass optimalization
•Bass enhancement: Dynamic Bass Boost
•Loudspeaker Enhancement: Magnetic Shielded LSB
•Output power (RMS): 2 x 20W

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80 watts is the combined continuous maximum power from the two channels. What you are seeing here is the Philips marketing department in its full glory. List the highest number, and it will sell computer speakers. The reality is not all that marketable. Since when does anyone run their computer speakers at maximum power for long periods of time? Try never because it sounds like crap being driven that hard.

So basicly it is really 80 watts I guess they can go really loud for compact speakers that don't have a subwoofer. But are you saying that it will sound good at 80 watts or will it sound bad? Since on Philips website it says they are 80 watts music power but on a different website it says 80 watts peak power so I kinda got confused. I thought music power means it actualy will be more than 80 watts for peak power. Like 160 watts peak power. Also iit did say RMS so I always that meant like 160 watts if 80 watts is music power.

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Originally Posted by Dustin_Broke

Since on Philips website it says they are 80 watts music power but on a different website it says 80 watts peak power so I kinda got confused. I thought music power means it actualy will be more than 80 watts for peak power. Like 160 watts peak power. Also iit did say RMS so I always that meant like 160 watts if 80 watts is music power.

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As Sir TT mentioned, do not pay attention to Philips marketing :)

Lets look at Philips power ratings:

System Power

•20W RMS per Speaker
•40W RMS Total Continuous Power
•80W RMS Total Peak Power

The notation (RMS) for Peak Power is wrong and very misleading. Continuous Power is labled in RMS term, not Peak Power. Since Peak Power is not continuos and only happen for short burst of time, it can not be labeled as RMS value.

So basically you have a 40 (RMS) watts system, with 80 watts peak power (I don't know where you get 160 watts from).

It is also very importand to state THD (%) when discusing amp's Power. Most cheap amplified speakers have THD rating of 10% which is very excessive. It will give you listening fatigue.

To hear the music loud and clear it has to be 40 watts and if it goes to 80 watts it will be distorted sound? So really these speakers are 40 watts and can go upto 80 watts but it will sound bad. If I' am wrong maybe I don't quite understand how this works still.

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Originally Posted by Dustin_Broke

To hear the music loud and clear it has to be 40 watts and if it goes to 80 watts it will be distorted sound? So really these speakers are 40 watts and can go upto 80 watts but it will sound bad. If I' am wrong maybe I don't quite understand how this works still.

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I'm sure it's pretty fast but could yo keep it up all day?

A man once ran about 40 mph for a very short period. He might even have keeled over and died after doing that for all we know.

Would it be fair to say he could run 40 miles per hour and imply that he could do this all day, every day?

That's the reasoning behind that "peak power" spec you see advertised. It might do it for a few milliseconds* but to advertise it as reliable power is a bit shady. It might even go up in smoke while doing it.

And, as Smokey points out, even if they did put out twenty watts, at what distortion level was it? It might sound truly horrible.

*But at what distortion level?

Well if the speakers are really 40 watts total then why would Philips lie and say that they are 80 watts music power or put that 80 watts number big on the box??? Since it seems like it's really bad for the speakers to go 80 watts for a long time so technicly that aren't 80watts looks like. But I can say that they do go really loud and clear without hearing distortion when I play my music. My ears don't hurt at all even when they are up loud. Maybe since the amp is huge brick like thing so it is using a good amp to power them. I have heard other speakers around this price range and most do sound not as clear or I can his the hiss noise. But the Philips I have I don't hear any of that.

Isn't the THD about hearing that hiss like noise when you have the volume down or up? Since if that's the case then I don't hear that on my speakers.

SVI? Is that you?

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Originally Posted by RoyY51

SVI? Is that you?

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The Internet can be a valuable tool. It CAN take the onus of having to research many different subjects (like many of us had to do in the old days) from many sources.

Nowadays, one can simply post a query and wait for the answers to roll in.

Those who frequent this (and other) forums that are ready willing and able to help newbies understand the basics of this hobby.

But, that is a two-way street.

The newbie must make some attempt to at least TRY to understand what's been laid out in front of him instead of whining about not understanding it without even trying.

At some point it cannot be "dumbed down" any more.

Who knows? Maybe spending some time actually researching these topics (like we all had to do) might be more fbeneficial to the newbie to have to work for his knowledge instead of simply asking and having the combined wisdom of many simply squandered for their enjoyment.

Well in this case I have to admit but my old screen name was SpankingVanilliace. I changed it to the same screen name as my current e-mail address. Also the big reason why I used the SpankingVanilliace is since my ex boyfriend named Adam had that kind of screen name so I just used the same name. But since we broke up last year on September,14 2009 I no longer need that old screen name. I do miss him but I have to move on since he never keeps his promises.

Right now I think a boy named Dustin Borke from The sims 2 game is hot so that's why I use his name. You can look Dustin up on google if you want to see how he looks like. He is not real but he is a hot white boy. :)


Btw how did you sorta figure out it was me?? I tried sorta to not make it sound like me. LOL



But eather way why does it matter who is who? I mean really was I that special person???

Oh thats right he is the boy on my avatar. LOL


I have always been into audio stuff since I was like around 8 now I am 25.

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Originally Posted by Dustin_Broke

Well in this case I have to admit but my old screen name was SpankingVanilliace. I changed it to the same screen name as my current e-mail address. Also the big reason why I used the SpankingVanilliace is since my ex boyfriend named Adam had that kind of screen name so I just used the same name. But since we broke up last year on September,14 2009 I no longer need that old screen name. I do miss him but I have to move on since he never keeps his promises.

Right now I think a boy named Dustin Borke from The sims 2 game is hot so that's why I use his name. You can look Dustin up on google if you want to see how he looks like. He is not real but he is a hot white boy. :)


Btw how did you sorta figure out it was me?? I tried sorta to not make it sound like me. LOL



But eather way why does it matter who is who? I mean really was I that special person???

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I think "special" just about says it all.

I just wanted to make sure that these speakers were really 80 watts thats all it was but now I know they are only 40 watts total. But I do think it's silly to try make people think they are 80 watts when they really can only go 40 watts.

Let me ask this but was my old screen name better? Or did you guys like it better? just wondering

I still will use my new sn since that's my current e-mail address. But I was just wondering.


I' am just trying to figure out how do you guys always remember me. Even after like 5 years or so.

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Originally Posted by Dustin_Broke

I just wanted to make sure that these speakers were really 80 watts thats all it was but now I know they are only 40 watts total. But I do think it's silly to try make people think they are 80 watts when they really can only go 40 watts.

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You've been here for years and had these questions answered many, many times before.

I think it's silly to keep on asking these exact same questions over and over.

Yeah, you're"special", all right. Do you take the short bus to school?

BTW, your screen name doesn't really matter. Your "special" qualites show through in short order.

Well I never really asked about if these were really 80 watts I asked similiar questions though I assume. But now I know they are 40 watts. But still think why would Philips make it sound like 80 watts was the music power. They should of said they are 40 watts on the box. But I guess maybe it's good to add more information like the peak power so at least I know what's the peak is. I before never knew about peak power. I thought before they were same as music power.

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Originally Posted by markw

You've been here for years and had these questions answered many, many times before.

I think it's silly to keep on asking these exact same questions over and over.

Yeah, you're"special", all right. Do you take the short bus to school?

BTW, your screen name doesn't really matter. Your "special" qualites show through in short order.

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Btw what do you mean short bus??? I only seen normal size buses. Eather way I' am not in school or anything.

I think this thread has run it's course, Spanky.

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Originally Posted by RoyY51

SVI? Is that you?

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ROtFLMAO!!! Greenies for you sir!!

Thanks for the greenies, Bobsticks! It's been a long time.

This is soo funny but I can see it now. This topic is going to be endless but not talking about the speakers anymore. But eather way since we firgured out that the speakers are 40 watts there is no really need to be posting anymore unless you find some information that I need to know.

That would be 100% true had you not tried to hide your true identity. Sorry breh, you're family now, lol, no avoiding it...

The other reason I wanted you guys to now think it was me is since once you find out about me I noticed that you don't give me a straight answer and or make it so I understand it and you guys rather talk about things outside of the topic. Also in the past when I am talking about one type of speakers you talk about other kinds of speakers and basicly end up saying mine sucks. I don't appreciate when you guys did that in the past.

Also if I am compairing two sets of speakers you guys in the past always talked about different speakers and saying to forget the ones I' am compairing and just get these. If I were asking your guys what speakers I should get for around $100 then you can say all the speakers that are good around that price range.

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Originally Posted by RoyY51

SVI? Is that you?

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You get another greenie from me as well....good guess. I thought it was him(based on the weirdness of his response), but I didn't want to embarrass myself if I was wrong.

What was soo different about my posts compaired to others?? Me saying that I heard no hiss noise so I thought that meant it had low THD? Or was it that no body else talks about these kinds of speakers? Or did you take a wild guess? just wondering


But eather way I hope it's not a bad thing that I' am back to these forums since I' am a very nice person you know. If you met me in person you will know I' am nice. :)

Hey Roy...

One more greenie from the far reaches of the Empire!!!!

Worf

I don't want to brag or anything... but I knew who this troll was after reading his first post. Yes, this is a troll. This troll in particular has a mental disorder, and it repeats itself here over & over so no doubt he isn't getting treatment for it.

On the site where I moderate, members aren't allowed two usernames, and if they're caught posting under two names, they're sent a PM letting them know this and given a choice of which one they want to keep. The other one is banned, permanently. Not hard to understand why that doesn't happen here though since there's only 35 - 40 active users at most. The marketing group that runs this tiny little forum only looks at the number of users, and THAT'S the reason why the s/w will never get upgraded. But yeah, duplicate registrations in this case ain't looked down upon because the sponsors don't see that statistic. It's all about head-count to them.

That may be so oh Wealthy One, but then we woulda' missed out on the wisdom of Heywood and PSkies...

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Originally Posted by Dustin_Broke

Well in this case I have to admit but my old screen name was SpankingVanilliace. I changed it to the same screen name as my current e-mail address. Also the big reason why I used the SpankingVanilliace is since my ex boyfriend named Adam had that kind of screen name so I just used the same name. But since we broke up last year on September,14 2009 I no longer need that old screen name. I do miss him but I have to move on since he never keeps his promises.

Right now I think a boy named Dustin Borke from The sims 2 game is hot so that's why I use his name. You can look Dustin up on google if you want to see how he looks like. He is not real but he is a hot white boy. :)

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I actually missed you, for a brief moment, until just now, when I read this thread...

now the only thing I feel, is regret, yet another 10 minutes of this beautiful, sunny & warm day...

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Btw how did you sorta figure out it was me?? I tried sorta to not make it sound like me. LOL

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sounds like you failed in "trying to make it sound not like you"

now, for your question:
each speaker, has an output of 20 watts RMS, so it states, we don't know at what disortion level, but it's probably higher than anything that is widely accepted to be "decent"

the total system output, which means of both speakers TOGETHER, is 40 watts, which is a simple sum: there are 2 speakers, each has 20 watts of output power, which makes it "20 + 20 =", right the answer is "40".

the total system peak power, is supposedly 80 watts, however this rating is dubious, and purely technically seen wrong, as peak power can NEVER, under NO circumstance whatsoever be defined in watts RMS. got it, NEVER. this is all magic marketing talk, that makes no sense whatsoever.

so, if we summarize this all:

the 20 watts is a really optimistic and vague value, as there are no disortion levels mentioned, and they probably they also weren't tested for long time periods, nor over the entire bandwidth. Conclusion: optimistic, vague.

the 40 watts is a simple sum of both speakers, it tells us nothing new. nothing at all. Zero. conclusion: same as above.

the 80 watts: are a marketing strategy, this value is also vague, and utterly optimistic, as there is no way in hell that the amps in those speakers can even output their rated power of 20 watts for longer than half an hour before damaging something important.

and no, your speakers will never ever have an output of 80 watts, for longer than 2 milliseconds. live with it.

There, I did it, another 15 minutes of my life wasted.

Well I can say one thing though that I feel that the amp for these speakers are too powerful for speakers this size. I have read others that have the same thought about these being too powerful too. I think that seriously I can blow the speakers if I turn them up too loud.

Also have you guys ever seen this amp for these speakers? It is huge for speakers this size and weight alot. I have a feeling it can power even speakers like the JBL N26 and go pretty loud. But problem is that the cables are only made so you can use the amp for the Phlips speakers.

Basicly the amp is soo big that they weren't able to add it on the right speakers like normal powered speakers are and have the left speaker passive.

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Originally Posted by Dustin_Broke

I think that seriously I can blow the speakers if I turn them up too loud.

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no, that's because the drivers can't handle the lower frequencies, and start to distort heavily when you turn it up. so yeah, you can blow them up, who cares, you can do that with almost every amp, but it's not the amp's fault.

and now quit whining and buy real speakers.

Well I do know also that all the speakers I had in the past even I turn them up full blast they never got blown. But I really think that the Philips speakers I have is a powerful amp for speakers it's using. But actualy I think that is good since then at higher volume it wont distort as much as underpowered speakers. I have had some under powered speakers and yes at full volume they did distort. I really acutaly think for the price these are great speakers.

speaker companys always over rate the power. they sell you alot, and your getting less.

You gentlemen humble me with your largess. I never thought that I would see TWO greenies under my name. I'm getting a little choked up here.

I can now go to join my fathers, in whose mighty company I will no longer feel ashamed.

RotFLMAO!

Roy, you need to post more often. Seriously. Embrace your second family.

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Originally Posted by hank46

speaker companys always over rate the power. they sell you alot, and your getting less.

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Hank, don't get too wrapped up in it...Dallas is a nice kid but certainly (as has been stated) special. He is on a quest for a non-existant Grail...with nary a Templar in sight.

If'n he had chosen but one of the veritable cornucopia of equi-chitty speakers he's been flogging for years he could've saved and afforded these:

http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/mikel/12_FT_6_INCH--SIDE.jpg

Okay...maybe not...but certainly, in all reality he could be rockin' these:

http://www.psbspeakers.com/Images/Sp...NY-OnePair.jpg

Woo those would be super nice but no way I can afford such a speaker system. That is like a dream system for me. I would need to be rich or weathly to have a system like those. But eather way if I had alot of money I would probley get a pair of JBL Studio L Series L890 floorstading speakers with a nice 2 channel amp. I don't need a surround sound system.

that first picture, no, you wouldn't be able to afford that, none of us actually could...

That second picture, is way more reachable, even for you, it is reachable. And if not those exact speakers, their smaller versions (the bookshelves, or the smaller floorstanders)
They are in reach, in fact, they could have been yours already, if you weren't so blind/misleaded/stupid to buy worthless and crappy sounding PC speakers every 2 weeks.

Face it, your pc stuff is worthless, crappy sounding and useless.

tell us, exactly, how much sets of pc speakers have you owned yet? and could you give an average price for those?

maybe, you could do some calculations for yourself too...
and maybe, you will then understand our point...

maybe...

Actualy I only have two sets of speakers. One is the Samson StudioDock 3i and one is the Philips MMS321. I' am giving the Samson to my mom since I don't have a iPod Nano or Touch etc. She has a 30 gig classic iPod and it will dock on the Samson speakers. All other speakers in the past I sold them but lost a TON of money. I have a Sony SRS-ZX1 and I paid $280 and I sold it for $90. Then I had got a pair of JBL S36 for $250 and sold them for $130. What is strange is that for the JBL I got them used but like new bit didn't get the same amount I paid for. Basicly I am not selling anymore unless I really have to I have lost more than $500 because of buying and selling on Ebay or Craigslist. I' am still pissed about this even it's been 5 years agao.


But for now I' am happy with these Philips speakers and won't sell them since I will lose more money again.

and NO they are not crappy speakers they sound really good even my mom thought they did. They sound lke a miniture high fi system.