Paradigm Studio v2 x v3

[evln]

What are happening here?
They decreased the weight of the speakers and/or the structure ?
Is this for to open spaces in the market for Signature line?
Any clue??

** weight are per pair

Studio 100v2 --> int. vol. 97 liters - weight 109 Kg
Studio 60v2 ---> int. vol. 52 liters - weight 80 kg
Studio 40v2 ---> int. vol. 23 liters - weight 36 Kg
Studio 20v2 ---> int. vol. 13 liters - weight 25 Kg


Studio 100v3 --> int. vol. 67 liters - weight 73,6 Kg
Studio 60v3 ---> int. vol. 61 liters - weight 63,6 Kg
Studio 40v3 ---> int. vol. 23 liters - weight 31,8 Kg
Studio 20v3 ---> int. vol. 15 liters - weight 19,6 Kg

Carlos from Brazil.

[kexodusc]

Chill out, dude...it's not like it was in the 70's when you could judge reliable equipment by their weight...geez, some manufacturers purposely add dead weight just to fool consumers. At least, I wouldn't always jude speakers by weight anymore...some of these Kenwood receivers would make good frisbies.

I never checked the weights of the speakers, but when I sampled the new Studio 20's I found them to be just a tad bit better than my v2's. Of course stuff always sounds better in store, but I don't think these have necessarily dropped in quality even if they are lighter.
There's some really heavy Bose speakers out there...

[evln]

But they are the same loudspeakers, it will be they replaced high density MDF for Cork and/or they alleviated the magneto in the speakers? I find very strange that!!!

In the 100v3 for example, they eliminated 1/3 of internal volume in the comparison with 100 v2, at least these new version will be sounding very different than before.

Carlos from Brazil
www.akronaudiotec.com.br

[kexodusc]

Well, that could very well be. There's different sizes and densities of MDF too. I doubt they're using cork or anything cheap like that. But they may have switched to a particle board. This should have turned up in sound tests though, and with a process for manufacturing already in place, I can't imagine they'd do that...

[bturk667]

Well, that could very well be. There's different sizes and densities of MDF too. I doubt they're using cork or anything cheap like that. But they may have switched to a particle board. This should have turned up in sound tests though, and with a process for manufacturing already in place, I can't imagine they'd do that...

MDF, stand for Medium Density Fiber board. There are however different densities of fiber board. By the way, one reason they use MDF, is because it is cheap!

[Woochifer]

Basically, the weight of the v.3 Studios is about the same as the v.1 versions, and the Signature weight is about the same as the v.2 Studio series. I think the difference is that the extra bracing that Paradigm put into the v.2 Studio cabinets is not there anymore with the v.3 versions. But, rather than obsess about the weight, I think you should try comparing the sound, and on that count the v.3 is an audible step up from the v.2 (the imaging improvement alone is startling). Supposedly, the new drivers and the mount damping are a huge improvement from what was used in the v.2, and that heavy bracing system that they introduced with the v.2 might not be necessary anymore. Paradigm's brochures still identify MDF cabinetry for the Studio models.

[evln]

Ok, ok, only hearing them, but I think this supposed extra ballast would be related with the internal volume, what tells me about the 40's, where the weight decrease besides volume be the same.

[ARAM]

Now a good speaker means a good cabinet..a good cabinet means an inert structure..that means heavy bracing..heavy bracing means more weight..two times two is four..this is so simple..I give you some examples..Look at VMPS RM40..the speaker is a massive 109 kg..I will tell you another one..Equinox Audio Jupiter speakers..this one is massive as well..155kg.(each..not a pair)..
maybe I am obsessed with weight:)...lol..

[RGA]

It Depends on the design not the weight. Many speakers put drivers in a box and then try and deaden resonances as much as possible with lots of foam or dense materials which add weight. My speakers have the total reverse philosophy where instead of capturing the resonances in the box it attempts to release them instantaneously. The cabinet is undamped and has the box itself take part in the reproduction of sound. Thus it does not apppologise for being being a boxed speaker it does not try and hide or mute the box it gets the box to serve, basically, as another driver. The speakers then also use walls to reinforce some of that sound...similar in some respects to the Klipsh KHorn which needs to be in a corner because that speaker requires the walls as reinforcement. Not exactly the same but you get the idea. Audio Note removed the ferro-fluid sooling system because it served to damp and tus slug the high frequency response. And since the speaker has an internal openess the air can cool the drivers.

This does not mean the speaker isn't well braced it's just not filled with a bunch of crap to deaden resonances - if you don't create them or you can get rid of them fast enough then basically you fdon't have a problem with resonances in the speaker...and all deadening systems have to release the resonance at some point. Which is my the Monitor 7 and a lot of floorstanding speakers in this price range and even ones for a LOT more have a lot of problems with resonances because the quality of the cabinets are poor, no thought has been paid to the actual box design or they simply cannot mdeadedn the box to fit the price they want to sell the speaker for.

Probably a reason thatthe Monitor 5 and B&W 602S3 are the best speakers in those lines. Theses speakers use less cheap cabinitry so less resonances. Plus the stands you put these speakers on are often more controlled at your or the users end so if you have a very dead stand it isn't going to sing along with the music unintentionally.

It may be Paradigm is cheaping out on deading material to make their Signature look better by comparison...heavy cost more to ship. OR, it may be that Paradigm is using a better cabinet material or a way to dissapate the resonance without as much stuff to slug the sound. If the latter is the case then perhaps the treble can open up a buit and sound a bit less shut in.

I am interested to hear them and may be able to compare the V2 directly against the V3. I would also like to compare it to new offerings from several other brands so I'll have to wait to make the trip until everyone coes out with their new lines.

The other thing is that the speaker may be physically smaller? If that's the case then the weight would go down proportionally...anyone cheack that?

[evln]

Would it be hard to get a Paradigm's official explanation?
Otherwise go all of us keep supposing several things without arriving to verdict.

Carlos from Brazil
www.akronaudiotec.com.br