The Insanity of Marketing Disguised as Science in Loudspeakers

[markw]

Only a total fraking moron would call what I said snobbery - only bnrainless retards could possibly not be able to determine that some objects in existence in the world of retail sales do in fact represent a "higher" or "lower" level of quality. A Bentley is a better car than Ford Fiesta - and that is an objective fact and only a fraking idiot with a brain the size of a pea would argue against that point.

Hey, you're the one that brought up Bose to sneer at, nobody else. I just pointed out that for some people it's just what the doctor ordered and they ae very, very happy and don't feel ripped off.

It's too bad your bloated ego can't accept the fact that not everyone think like you. ..And I thank God for that.

For most sane people, all the "quality" they need is for an object they purchased for what they percieve to be a fair price deliver the goods they expect for a long time with no problems.

I'd say Bose delivers that in spades. So would their customers. That's why they have so many and get more each day.

Not everyone needs a Bentley. Aside from a snobbish Country Club or something similar where making impressions on similarly shallow people congregate are all important, where can a Bentley go that a Ford can't?

Some people are very happy with their Fords which, according to recent surveys, have come along way in the past few years. Not everyone wants or needs a Bentley. Maybe they are secure in themselves that they don't feel the need to impress others with an expensive car and are happy with what they have. Their egos aren't dependent on what they own and impressing others, like some here.

Heck, one could buy several Fords for every Bentley and have a stable of spares in case the Bentley needed service, which I'm pretty sure can't be bone by any gas station.. Me, I prefer Hyundai.

That you don't agree with their tastes and look down your long, pointed nose at them is pure snobbery in it's rawest form, but that's not news to any of us here.

[RGA]

Unfortunately everything needs to be spelled out. Usually to the Evolution isn't real the earth is 5000 year old, I'm wearing magic underwear, I'm getting 72 virgins in death types. So let's spell it out ---

Number 1;

the point - underline the point - the point is the thing in which is being discussed not something you invent from your own mind. Have to clarify that too it would seem.

1a - Being happy with a Bose or being happy with a Ford or being happy with a McDonald's Big Mac has absolutely ZERO - I spell it out for the Thick - ZERO to do with what I said - ZERO to do with any and every and all points I made. UNDERSTAND !! ZERO. Being HAPPY has NOTHING (that means ZERO) to do with any and all points made.

I am sure you don't get it - but that is why the term "Ignorance is Bliss" was coined. Bliss is a fancy word for "HAPPY" see I underlined the two words Bliss and Happy to help out.

One can be Ignorant and be completely happy - people are happy to believe all sorts of wrong things - like they're happy that Santa is watching everything they do and judging them and if they are GOOD they will get to go to heaven (err I mean get a present) or that the earth is 5000 years old and evolution is fake and dinosaur bones are a "test of faith" Lots of those dimwits are HAPPY or BLISSFUL.

Part 2: No one said you HAD TO HAVE a Bently - it is not about "me too" products - it is simply recognizing "truths" that A is better than B when it IS a FACT. Again the Evolution isn't real, earth is 5000 year old thick F-tards are not able to accept truth or facts so they change the focus of discussions to something else "FEELINGS" and create "STRAWMAN" arguments like "Not everyone needs a Bently" to be happy. Faith (I mean FEELINGS) has nothing to do with accepting facts or truths. The guy who owns a Bently may be a snob, I may be jealous, I may hate all rich people and yadda yadda yadda - but that has NOTHING - ZERO - to do with the FACT that the actual car is a better car than a Fiesta or Escort (I owned an Escort - never owned a Bentley)

The fact that I will likely NEVER be able to afford a Bentley and my last car was a KIA (yes a KIA) doesn't mean I can't respect the fact that a Bentley is a terrific automobile and much better than my Kia or my Ford Escort or my GM Grand Am. I am not a snob when I am getting out of my KIA and I say to the guy who owns a Bentley - "Wow that is a great car you have there it's much better than MY KIA." It's also not being a snob if the Bentley owner on a car board says that a Bentley is better than a Kia. It doesn't become snobbery simply because of which owner is discussing the cars.


No not everyone needs a million dollar car but we don't have to bury our head in the sand and not at the very LEAST acknowledge that "Bentley is a better car than a Ford Festiva." Or that a burger from a Michelin star restaurant is better than a Big Mac, or that musicianship required for classical music is higher than is required for a rock band, or that a top of the line Panasanoc 50 inch Plasma TV is better than uncle Bill's 12inch black and white tube TV to watch Raiders of the Lost Ark on. No one is being mean to Uncle Bill. If Uncle Bill believes that nothing is better than his 12 inch B&W TV then we take Uncle Bill from his cave and we bring him to the store and say - now watch Raiders on this Uncle Bill and tell me what you think. Bill is amazed and will no longer say his 12 inch B&W TV is the best in the world because he was "edu ma cated" on what is possible with moving pictures technology.

He had a belief system that he held for years until he was "exposed" to something much better.

Must spell out analogy - must try to edu-ma-cate
- The Bose owner typically have no exposure to what is better - in many places Bose has their own store - not just a "wall" so no comparison can be made to anything else. The B&W 12 inch TV looks AMAZING when all you have to compare is a blank wall. No one is looking down on Bill. Bill's a smart enough uncle - when brought out of the cave and shown the light (Panasonic Plasma) Bill like anyone else is amazed by the superior quality of the Panasonic - never again will Bill see the world of TV in the same way as he did before. Bill is no longer Ignorant. Even if he can't afford the Plasma and has to keep watching his 12 inch B&W - he is now smart enough to realize that his 12 inch B&W isn't the "BEST"


Part 3

No one is looking down on Bose owners - they/we/I may look down on Bose for duping people into spending "MORE" than they should for inferior products with advertising that is truly shocking and wrong (like Fox News). Bose incidentally is not some "good value for a cheap price company" - no one picks on Sony for selling $100 loudspeakers at Wal-Mart for selling $19 DVD players. The reason they/we/I pick on Bose and I do it less than most is because people are being duped into "believing" stuff that isn't true (ahem evolution is fake, dinosaur bones are a test of faith, the earth is 5000 years old, underwear is magic, you will get virgins when you die BS) . Attacking ignorance isn't being a snob - it's the only war worth attacking since it leads to less actual war.

What isn't true is that Bose is the best. It may not in fact be the worst just like the Big Mac probably isn't the worst or that Bill's B&W TV is the worst, but it isn't the best. You may BELIEVE the Big Mac is the Best or Bose is the best or that Bill's TV is the best - and you may be 100% completely happy in the belief that it is the best - you may like eating Big Macs your whole entire life - and all your friends can think so too (just like all your friends can believe in magic underwear and you'll get 72 virgins when you die) and you can all love listening to Bose believing it's the best bang for the dollar. = BLISS. (lots of people all believing the same thing doesn't make it true. There is no democracy in facts and truth. A fact doesn't care whether you believe in it or not. The earth revolves around the Sun and always has whether 99.99% of the population read a book and believed the opposite didn't change the fact that the earth revolved around the sun.

There is better than Bose - there is better than the Big Mac, there is better than the Ford Festiva, Evolution is a fact, the earth is round and more than a billion years old - whether you choose to accept fact or choose to be "thick" is entirely up to you.

When a class of 30 children are 6 years old their favorite hamburger might be Hamburglar's hamburger at Mcdonalds. When they "experience more life" and "expose themselves to different burgers" a high percentage of those children soon discover there is more to the world than McDonalds - just as numerous Bose owners often eventually do. And some of them learn to read more than one book too - and become less ignorant to the world around them and realize that Santa isn't real, and you're not getting 72 virgins when you die - and Magic Underwear isn't real, and they learn what evolution is and even try to understand it rather than take what some guy in black tells them.

Attacking ignorance isn't being a snob. Education isn't "evil doing" or being mean. It's getting people to see errors and correct them. If they still choose to eat a Big Mac or buy Bose that is perfectly fine. But at least they KNOW that the Big Mac or BOSE isn't the BEST burger or speaker on the planet - I've had better burgers and still occasionally have a Big Mac - because it's cheap and I know that from my experience working there that their cleanliness standards are generally higher than other fast food chains (depending on the management of the store but at least they have written clear standards and all employees are trained. So the chances are better. But when I suck down that Big Mac the reason isn't because I think it's the "best."

[markw]

Wow, the more you write the more you make my point.

Yeah, you picked on Bose and it's owners because you deem as unworthy of being able to decide for themselves what's best for them. Funny, there's a lot of happy Bose owners out there and, gues what? A lot of them are big boys and girls who have lead a much more fufilling life than you have so far.

You need a group to feel superior to and you select them because, on an audio forum, happy Bose owners make an easy target.

It's too bad they are perfectly happy with their under-performing but over-satisfying product for it's combination of features they you consider inconsequential,

inda like Rolex owners. Heck, Rolex doesn't even keep as accurate time as a Timex or Casio but, hey, the snobs like showing them off and itf it makes them happy but, hey, who am I to piss in their cornflakes.

Now, shake off the last few drops, stuff it in your pants, and zip up.

...snob, but not man enough to admit it, even to yourdself