Any opinions on Jamo Speakers?

[benjybobs]

...right. So just what ARE these components?! They make speakers vanish, and sweet spots out of entire rooms. I am dying to know.

While I agree with your general idea that the hi-fi industry isn't always what it's cracked up to be, you have made some tall claims without getting too specific.

I feel I have done EXACTLY what you say with my system. It's a series of synergy with a couple comprimises. The end result is much better than it should be, however, when I am listening to it, my chair does not levitate or glow a green aura.

This is a very complicated thing to explain my friend. Good sound reproduction requires a good overall system balance. Basically everything in the chain matters. The actual response of the speakers needs to match the amp and the cd etc, then we have room accoustics that can alter sounds. I honestly don't know how to begin explaining because its so hard, if I had a system to demonstrate and show you and let you listen I would but unfortunately I don't .

Componnet quality doesn't mean you will have good sound. You would put the best components ever in a system and the sound will not be good. Its more on the terms of what componnets are used and how they are put together as a whole. The system needs to be specifically designed so all components and everything work together as a whole.

Suposedly all frequencys from 20-20,000 hz have to be apoxiamately the same volume to get good reproduction. But in reality there is more involved.

We have a 3d world and with just 2 ears, we can determine height, width and depth of sound all around us. With a single speaker we apear to be limited to just 1 position. but you should read up on transaural sound. Its when the playback allows the sound to be heard from a different location than its actually played. Also read up on phantom imaging. Now I will say this right now. What they claim and what can be done with the right way of playback are different. Lets talk about the sweetspot

The sweetspot, lets call this a focus point, just like a camera, when things are in focus we can see it clearly. So people assume that volume is cause of this. That isn't true, I had a system where you could walk outside the 2 speakers and it still sounded like it was coming from between them. It didnt' matter where you listened from. The sound has to meet at some point. Now if I were to playback on a pair of speakers with the left/right balance put to the side, could you hear the sweetspot more to one side than the other. It apears that it does. How things quite often seem isn't allways the truth in the matter.

In orde to be able to hear this equally everywher we would need more balancing to the sound and cancelations. now with a good system, they playback the sound on the right speaker on the left and the left on the right speaker but its the way it's played back. Now instead of volume of sound think of time of sound. When they arrive at the same time or slightly different it puts the sound to one side more than the other. volume alters dispeartion position which slightly alters position. I find what i'm trying to say hard to put in words. ok I try and explain something differently.

Ok before I continue, im not going to try and explain everything but I will try and explain something that might make sense with a bit of luck.

Low hz and high hz, low we can't tell direction of sound but high is more pin point. Just picture a large circle and you try and divide it up by puting a small circle inside. it is biased. imagine that every sound is made up from different frequencys, they all have their own resonance frequency. We have high and low sounds. For example, get a large hoop and a small one, the small can only be a part of the area of the big. now imagine this as dividing up the circles and giving us a location of the sound. The high frequencies make the sound face the listner more, if they combine it can alter the waves. for different distances and directions we have a different frequency response to the ears. This does not alter the actual frequencys played only the travel frequencys. Those travel frequencys can re-create the original frequencys as an accoustical frequency. I sugest reading up on interferometry of waves. I haven't got much time and have to do other things but ill make it short.

Frequencys determine the direction of sound, volume can alter the arrival times in relation to other frequencys.

Everything in saying is , when you read up about anything, the aproach and design of the systems being used today are wrong. They claim about haas effect, crosstalk etc ruining the sound but if you think about it. Why not use them to our advantage using a different way of playback.

There are many names given to stereo, but originally stereo was binuaral. They are all almost the same. People think stereo and binaural are miles apart but the truth is there stereo reproducction is balanced out corectly so the sound interfers in crosstalk. Why try and stop the sound, why not use it as advantage in the way its playedback in the first place.

Here is a link to sound sound for you to get a simualr idea to how the system sounded, although you must listen to on headphones to be able to hear it cause your sytsem isnt' in the kind of balance and frequency relationship to make it sound right. ps the system sounded 1000 times better in direction and accuracy than headphones do, headphones are much more closed in sound where the speakesr were more open and it traveled around in 3d with much better peception. you might have heard it before but if not you might enjoy the 3d qualities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJwUVCXH-gM

My stereo records years ago when the system was set up had 3d sound like this on 2 speakers from any listening position. It wasnt' quite perfect but the best system I heard, the speaker design compensated so it was perfect. Notice how 2 speakers can add height to the sound, its the way the frequencys arrive and in a 3d world the interference changing the frequencys and arivals within the haas effect can be used as advantage to fool our senses.

I'm explaining like this cause I'll be here for hours trying to rack my brain on how to explain how it's done, I thought i'd give you a few clues.

Stereo can sound in 3d when its played again in the correct way.

ps equalization, people say play it flat but there is more to amplification and frequency response than we all believe. With the right parts its posible to re-balance the signals and get them good enough to hear the effect but very few systems are capable and most aren't balanceable because as you get one in balance it puts the other out, it isn't done in a linear relationship and is impositble to re balance.

Just think of a camera and it being in focus, the same aplys from speakers to our ears. In order to have a sweetspot everywhere, you need to make it sound the same everywhere, its played more than once on both speakers, so left on right right on left and read up interferometry. Its like 2 becomes as 1. particulary think of the frequency difference in time. Let me say if you can make all frequencys arive as the same but on a different level then you can get a linear flow of frequencvys. I hope you can undesratnd what i'm trying to say.

If I had a capable system and tuned it and showed you, you would be so gobsmacked, Its like each frequency arrival has more than 1 job. Like its part of 2 perspetives in the 3d world. A bit like the way its played is part low and part high frequency in relation and the other perspective covers that.

picture if we made a wave then interferd with another sound which altered the wave. If we corrected it playing another wave the same and fooled us believe that we are at the center but the distance has changed. its very hard to explain using words.

The effect using a 1 way speaker that is close togher, if you go to the right of the speakers its like the width and depth goes slightly biased to the left and if you go to the left of the speakers, the sound with go to the right, its like the whole perspective is twisting but allways facing us. if you walk away from teh speakers. the hight of the sound seems to get a bit lower. if we pick up the speakers above our heads, it seems to narrow into a thin line up high.

Believe me we don't determine direction on the first wave only but how they arrive as a whole together.

With the best speakesr I heard, they gave max height width and depth and sounded the same for all direction. Illusion of frequency arrival to make the sound apear (by illusion) that its above us. so its higher than the speaker level, depends on how it was recorded but its from our minds. The perspective is perfect, you can walk away to the sides and it doesnt twist.

What I should say is people don't truely understand how we hear sound, not the truth.

I promise everyone who reads this, that its possible to have almost perfect sound. I say almost, although it sounded perfect to me. It will allways be criticised that it isn't perfect. some people talk of microscopic levels that we can't even tell difference. people claim that dvd is better than cd, in theory yes but in practical, not a chance.

I'll prove it, count to 44,100 in seconds and time how long it takes. it does that every second. its so fine the sample rate. When you listen to a hd cd player and think it sounds better, its not the rates that make the difference even though they apear to. its the way of playback. our ears can only hear 20,000 hz if they are really great in normal people. I used to be able to hear 20,000 hz but not sure about now ?. so it takes a position of a wave twice as many times as we can hear. Whatever the statistics, the truths are covered up by marketing.

Years ago, they did make a few systems that are truely capable of good reproduction that overcome the problems. but now they have removed the circuitry that solved the stereo problems to save money on costs of makeing. Its a buissness run world.

That is why they don't make what they truely can.

ps the frequencys played are the distances of the sound but we are told volume is and the truth is covered up. If you got a system like I had and hear it, its a million times better than you would believe. pin point. Its a very confusing thing when you read it but if only I had a system now to demonstrate and show you. I think your jaw would drop and you would want to listen to everything. I used to sit listening to the 3d sound for hours in amazment, it just had that sort of effect.

I one day want to have sound like I once had years ago. Money and finding something worth buying is the problem today. I heard a £20,000 system in a shop one day and it wasn't even close to how it should sound.

I promise that sound can be almost perfect with the right design, person having normal hearing permitting.

Thanks for reading, its too hard to explain but I hope you might understnad something. I tell you what get an equalizer and experiment with tuneing, listen to the pitch of the sound and try and make it sound alike, it might sound odd but move your head around your speakers, alter the volume, you might discover that with slight adjustments your find the sound is hear around the speakers at different angles or positions, but its all masked from hearing it how it should be.

I don't know why I bother telling people stuff like this but it hurts me because I once had a great system producing real stereo and now I have to put up with bull**** systems that don't even sound remotely how they should. The best system churned my stomach with excitement to the music where it was so expressive. I cannot express how poor the systems are today. people think it sounds alright but they've not heard nothing decent. Its like your playing on a zx spectrum whilst im on a pc playing crysis on high res monitor. that sort of difference in quality.

Quality is getting everything to arrive in the way it should at the right times at the right tones. Instead of getting a tone in the way your system is played, you end up getting 2 different sets of noise that doesnt corispond. Good luck if you want a system like this my friend. If I get something that works, ill let ya know which parts and how to set it so you can have sound which is shockingly amazing.

Thanks.