A busy thread.

I find it odd that that threads are being closed - I understand people swearing at me because they don't like differring opinions, and people get heated in their views. However, it would also be considerate of moderators, even if they dislike my view, to not have the last word in a thread spoken by the swearers with no chance to rebute lies or heated mistakes...people often overstate things when heated in life and on forums. Sometimes a corrective note is all that is required to alleviate an error.

For instance the last thread a poster was obviously confused about a man named Peter Qvortrup and his owning a certain loudspeaker...I said that maybe he got the speaker as a dealer at dealer cost...indeed, I have no clue as to how he got the speaker...I do know he was a dealer before he partnered with Audio Note -- the company exhisted before he got there...he was a dealer originally he also formed and ran a company called Audio Innovation or Audible Illusions ( I get them mixed up) but he sold it and partnered in with Sony's Chief Engineer (Kondo-San) who had left and formed Audio Note because he didn't like the direction Sony was headed and because he was under financial limits (the old build me an amp for $199.00) not an engineer's dream I suspect.

Audio Note UK formed in 1992 -- the Speaker in question was in existance in the late 1980s and no doubt Peter Q was looking for several speakers -- Kondo San and Audio Note were mostly known in high end circles for their amplifiers. Panels, planars and horns have in the past, contrary to what many believe, have had great success with Single Ended amplifiers examples can be seen from Quad who uses low powered tubes with their stats and Lynn Olsen who uses the Ongaku with his panels (Lynn's an expert on loudspeaker design and does some pretty even handed reviews for what it's worth and I believe has worked as a contractor for a number of other speaker makers). It was obvious that what panels need GOOD power not necessarily just more power.

I want to be clear as obviously I was not, that I'm not here to attack panels nor am I here to attack Apogee...and nor am I suggesting that Peter Q was attacking panels or the Apogee.. I was attempting to compliment apogee in the sense that when a designer or businessman decides to run a company, he/she can either try and re-ivent a whell or take already good gear and make it better -- ESPECIALLY, if in their opinion what was already available ten years ago is just as good or better than those other companies who are re-inventing the wheel. This is why there are MANY very old technologies which have not left the speaker world because they were good they were good then and they are good now -- at the very least good FOR the people they are geared to. Horns for example have gone way out of style but there are many people who would have NOTHING else except a horn system-- same for Stat owners and One driver systems etc. Ultimately, even Peter Q, however he ended up buying the speakers, decided to get them in order to check them out and it is very likely if he did that he must have heard something meritous in them to start with in order to buy them -- ditto for the AvanteGuardes. He goes to all the shows where these people present so it must have been good enough to say gee let's see if our campany can take "THAT" to the next level --- Indeed, many companies are limited buy budgets and put out gear thatif they didn't cheap out in one area could have transcended the speaker to a whole new league of product...many B&W 801 owners have done such a thing to the speaker's crossovers.

He is not tied to what he is selling now and if something comes up that he feels is better he will change...that's how it should be -- by all means one can disagree with what he feels is best. But whether one does or not is not really at issue -- since he could have chosen tons of speakers --- he could have taken over Apogee at the time -- indeed, a company DID buy apogee to keep the after market sales going and it failed. That is not the fault of the speaker maker or the product -- Reference 3a went out of business the first go round when the company was called 3M(no not that 3M). It failed because the company began to run away from Daniel Dehay and in an attempt to keep up with demand the prduct quality nosedived and it was dead in the water. This time around he got it right -- building only high end speakers in Europe and setting up a second shop in Canada to build the MM De Capo and probably now the Dulcet. The focus is tighter and smaller now and better. Dehay has since retired.

My mistake has been to convey my listening experiences of X Y Z products in a place where people own X and my opinion ios such that Z is far better. This, in retrospect is unecessary or could have been stated in a differeing tone. All that was necessary of me was to say that I liked Z speaker for the following reasons - and I liked it more than X and Y...Instead though, I continued on past this point and started blasting X and Y for having the gall to be in existance as if the mere fact they were taking up floor space was a personal insult to me. And then to make it worse, I then go to a forum where many peaple own speakers X and Y and basically in not so many niceties tell them they really missed the boat...and even if I really believed in this position(which is moot) I should have had more tact. 2 phrases ring -- if you don;t have anything nice to say don't say it -- I don;t think this works fully as a reviewer or pseudo reviewer of equipment or movies -- but You're not Your Brother's Keeper, Or Live and Let Live is the saying more applicable perhaps. Ultimately, everyone needs to enjoy their system and if necessary this as a hobby.

Indeed, to copy Steven R. Rochlin at enjoythemusic.com says --- "in the end what really matters is that you...

Enjoy the Music,"

RGA.