What will you listen to after the Eagles win?

[Swish]

I wouldn't want my thread to be removed by the Gestapo for being "off topic", so I guess I need to reference music along with my beloved Iggles. Anyway, how about Queen's [I]We Are the Champions?[/I No way! Not because I don't think they'll win, but because I detest that song, along with most of the other stuff they recorded. Perhaps something by the Eagles? Nah, I never cared much for their music either. I think I'll defer to something mellower to bring me back down to earth, like "Sad Songs for Dirty Lovers" by the National, which I just got in the mail on Thursday.

Anyway, how about you?



Swish

[Swish]

and that would be another win in my book. Too many "friends" are fans of those intra-state rivals, and they've been bragging since the Eagles lost to them in the regular season. All I konw is, Philly is finally headed to the Super Bowl after taking 24 years, and I don't care who they end up playing. I just hope the result is different this time.

A very elated Swish

E.A.G.L.E.S.....EAGLES

[Finch Platte]

and that would be another win in my book. Too many "friends" are fans of those intra-state rivals, and they've been bragging since the Eagles lost to them in the regular season. All I konw is, Philly is finally headed to the Super Bowl after taking 24 years, and I don't care who they end up playing. I just hope the result is different this time.

A very elated Swish

E.A.G.L.E.S.....EAGLES

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fp

np: Kaki King. Interesting.

[Troy]

The Patriots will vivsect the Eagles.

[MindGoneHaywire]

The Eagle did a song called "Win?" Any song played after an Eagles song is an improvement, though on occasion I'm not always paying attention as my concentration is focused on locating the cretin who played the Eagles song. That sort of thing absolutely ruins my buzz, so I'm usually looking to do to that person what the Pats are going to do to the Eagles in Jacksonville. It's not pretty. But to avoid it, all one has to do is avoid playing Eagles songs in my presence. Not an unreasonable request, and not all that difficult to follow through on.

"...I hate the f*cking Eagles, man." - Jeff Lebowski

[Swish]

The Eagle did a song called "Win?" Any song played after an Eagles song is an improvement, though on occasion I'm not always paying attention as my concentration is focused on locating the cretin who played the Eagles song. That sort of thing absolutely ruins my buzz, so I'm usually looking to do to that person what the Pats are going to do to the Eagles in Jacksonville. It's not pretty. But to avoid it, all one has to do is avoid playing Eagles songs in my presence. Not an unreasonable request, and not all that difficult to follow through on.

"...I hate the f*cking Eagles, man." - Jeff Lebowski

First of all, McNabb isn't a rookie, and he won't fold like Big Ben. Secondly, the Iggles don't turn the ball over very often, so the Pats will need to put together some long drives and not expect a bunch of handouts from the Eagles O.

In addition, the Eagles secondary may be the best in the league, their run defence is greatly improved, and they don't give up many points...I think the 3rd fewest in the NFL, maybe second.

Anyway, I'm pretty excited that they're going to the big dance in the first place, and I have a feeling they'll be back next year, win or lose.

Swish

[Swish]

The Patriots will vivsect the Eagles.

and I don't think so. While I agree the Pats are a very good team, so are the Eagles, and they just might surprise a lot of people.

Swish

[richmon]

I wouldn't want my thread to be removed by the Gestapo for being "off topic", so I guess I need to reference music along with my beloved Iggles. Anyway, how about Queen's [I]We Are the Champions?[/I No way! Not because I don't think they'll win, but because I detest that song, along with most of the other stuff they recorded. Perhaps something by the Eagles? Nah, I never cared much for their music either. I think I'll defer to something mellower to bring me back down to earth, like "Sad Songs for Dirty Lovers" by the National, which I just got in the mail on Thursday.

Anyway, how about you?



Swish

Me - I'm listening to Sunshine Superman by Donovan !

Although the NE Brady bunch have a knack for figuring out a way to win, if the Iggles bring their 'A' game like they brung last sunday, they have a good shot, especially if TO is there to stretch the defence.

[jasn]

I was getting ready to throw some smack into this post until I realized it was set before the Falcons game, not the SB. Ah.....

[Troy]

Gee Swish, after watching what the Pats did to the "unstopable" Colts and what they did to the "Monster Defense" of the Steelers, what makes you think the Eagles even stand a chance? McNabb is no Manning. Westbrook is no Bettis. Owens will be 50% at best. The other Eagle rcvrs? Decent in the last couple games, but 2nd rate the rest of the season.

Think back to past superbowls when there was a strong NFC bias. Remember the Patriots against the Bears in 1986? Denver against the 49ers in 1990? Dallas all over the Bills in the early 90s? It's the AFC's turn.

Enjoy your NFC Championship. The Eagles ARE the cream of the NFC. We all knew that months ago. But put aside your blind fanboy feelings for a minute and recognize the Patriots for what they are, easily, the best team in football in at least 10 years.

The only thing that will stop the Patriots over the next couple years are injuries, free agent defections or (the most likely) everybody on the coaching staff being offered plum jobs elsewhere.

[Swish]

Gee Swish, after watching what the Pats did to the "unstopable" Colts and what they did to the "Monster Defense" of the Steelers, what makes you think the Eagles even stand a chance? McNabb is no Manning. Westbrook is no Bettis. Owens will be 50% at best. The other Eagle rcvrs? Decent in the last couple games, but 2nd rate the rest of the season.

Think back to past superbowls when there was a strong NFC bias. Remember the Patriots against the Bears in 1986? Denver against the 49ers in 1990? Dallas all over the Bills in the early 90s? It's the AFC's turn.

Enjoy your NFC Championship. The Eagles ARE the cream of the NFC. We all knew that months ago. But put aside your blind fanboy feelings for a minute and recognize the Patriots for what they are, easily, the best team in football in at least 10 years.

The only thing that will stop the Patriots over the next couple years are injuries, free agent defections or (the most likely) everybody on the coaching staff being offered plum jobs elsewhere.

Was pretty much a direct result of the turnovers, and not so much total domination by the Pats. Remember the interception at the 10 yard line that was returned for a TD? Imagine the Steelers getting the TD instead, and you'd have a 14 point swing. And the other 3 turnovers also contributed. I don't care how good your defense is, you can't turn the ball over 4 times and expect to win at this level. The Eagles do have plenty of injuries, including a batch of starters who've been out most of the season, and they still blew out most teams by double figures.

Anyway, I just don't think it's going to be the blowout you think. I would take the Eagles and the points and bet heavily.

Swish

[MasterCylinder]

" Imagine the Steelers getting the TD instead"








Isn't that a line from a John Lennon song ?

[ForeverAutumn]

GO LEAFS!!!!

Sorry. Just a small relapse. I'm fine now.

[Worf101]

I will never ever EVER root for the Pats as long as I draw breath. Football ended for me as a competitive sport 4 years ago on a snowy evening in New England. I've barely watched a game since. Untill the NFL comes clean and revokes or modifies the "Tuck" Rule, they'll never get another dime of my money. I don't give a flying s**t how many titles the Pats win they never should've went to their first Super Bowl. They lost that night and the NFL officials stole a victory and gave it to them. Until they lose a game in a similar dispicable fashion I wish for nothing more than their complete and udder destruction.

Someone get me "Da Prince of Darkness" on the phone... tell him I gotta deal for him.

Da "Still pissed off in case you can't tell" Worfster

[kexodusc]

Hmmm, I agree with ya Worf, except I don't blame the Pats for that. And I could be wrong but wasn't that their 2nd Superbowl (first being in the mid 90's?)

Anyhoo...you think that was bad, ya shoulda seen the way the Dallas Stars won the Stanley Cup against Buffalo a few years back...

[jack70]

Worf, you needn't root for us... we're going to win anyway... LOL. But... gimme a break.

First...as to the snow game... the refs actually got the rule correct that night (read the rule book about "forward pass"). You can argue with the rule (most agree with you), but it's like many our equally dumb (non-sports) laws.... they're often stupid, wrong, or outdated. But we shouldn't blame cops or judges, rather the legislatures that make em, and us that elect those morons. So I agree, vent your anger at the league's competition committee.... but, NOT AT THE PATS. And NOT at such a trivial rule... when there are other bigger things to get upset about.... speaking of...

Now if you wanna get all upset about "unfair" and "stupid" things in sports.... you'll have to stand in line, cause I'll wager I have more b_tches than you do. Football is actually one of the better sports when it comes to fariness, rules, and general competition. They brought in video replay, and despite it's drawbacks, it (at least) honestly attempts to make results as fair as humanly possible. Football also attempts to keep competition on a level competitive (& fan friendly) level with salary caps and revenue sharing.

In contrast, Baseball is the most f_cked up sport there is... even though they get a frickin exemption from the government. Their drug policy has been a joke for 15 years, and every OWNER HAS KNOWN IT. It's ruined the tradition of most records, and it's helped corrupt many of our youth who think it's OK to cheat to win... not only in sport, but carried over to everyday life. The pros piss on all the hard working youth and HS coaches who try to instill discipline and ethics of life through sport. Also, baseball's lack of revenue sharing makes the sport (competition) a joke (the Yankees and other select teams will always be at the top until it changes). Also, the way they sandbag politicians to help taxpayers foot the bill for their stadiums is crimminal IMO... etc etc. I stopped watching baseball after following it religiously. Football is a dream in comparison. Now back to the Pats...

First, that was NOT their first super bowl... it was their 3'rd. This next one will be their 5'th. And they had to win those future games after that snow game, so it's hardly like they were given anything. Their win last year was as tough and well deserved as any other superbowl winner. (one of the few great & close games too) You wanna rail at the league for one dumb rule, go to it, but the Pats had nothing to do with it. However...

....Until they lose a game in a similar dispicable fashion...

That game was Karma man! As a longtime Patriots fan... let me tell you the REST OF THE STORY:

There was a playoff game in 76 when the Pats were out-right jobbed by 2!! crooked calls... not good calls of bad rules... CROOKED CALLS. Those mid-70 Patriot teams were as good as any in football history... Daryll Stingly, John Hannah, Steve Grogan, Russ Francis, Mike Haynes, etc. I'm sure we would have won the superbowl... and then been looked-on around the league with more respect than we then got afterwards (zilch). Instead, Oakland got that aura around them (winners etc). That snow-game loss was simply "God's retribution'. IMHO they'll (Oakland) will have to lose a dozen more (crazy games) for me to call it even! I'll let the great writer Bob Ryan tell the story, since it'll take less time to copy/paste than me to tell it from memory:
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Spirit of '76: Calls left him officially riled
By Bob Ryan, Globe Staff, 1/20/2002
OXBOROUGH - WARNING: The following tale may not be suitable for all ages.

If you're the type who's been teaching your offspring that life is fair, that good deeds are rewarded, that there is always justice for all - and if you really believe this, you're already guilty of inefficient parenting, just by definition - that athletic contests cannot be controlled by officials, then you do not want your kids to read any further.

For this is a saga of aggravation, frustration, and horrible injustice. Life is most certainly not always fair and the best team does not always win. In a lifetime of watching and covering athletic contests, I seldom have walked away from a game with a feeling of anger and bitterness to equal the sensation that overcame me following the events of Dec. 18, 1976, when the New England Patriots had a playoff game stolen from them by the Oakland Raiders and by an officiating crew for whom there should be reserved a special place in athletic Hades.

I never would have believed it had anyone told me on the morning of that game that I would become so passionate over the outcome. The Patriots weren't my beat. I hadn't attended one game all season. I was a baseball/basketball guy who had been in Los Angeles covering baseball's Winter Meetings and who had been added to the Globe coverage team by sports editor Dave Smith because I was in the vicinity. My personal plan was simple. I would cover the game in the afternoon and then head back across the Bay Bridge to the Cow Palace in order to catch the finals of the Cable Car Classic. I was a lot more interested in seeing the young Bill Cartwright than the old Kenny Stabler on that day; believe me.

But by the time Russ Francis had put the Patriots ahead, 14-10, on a 26-yard TD reception from Steve Grogan and I was really into it. It was a terrific game, and it was pretty obvious which was the better team.I was sitting next to the grand pooh-bah of pigskin himself. Will McDonough had been calling plays in advance and explaining why they did or didn't work, and I was enjoying the tutorial. When Jess Phillips capped a drive with the 3-yard run to make it 21-10 midway through the third quarter, I distinctly recall saying to Will, 'Geez, Willie, they really are the best team in football!' He nodded.

Good Lord, I thought. The Patriots are going to the Super Bowl. Until that day, I just didn't know how good they were. Sure, I knew Grogan had run for an amazing 12 touchdowns that year, and I knew about John Hannah, Sam Cunningham, Mike Haynes, Francis, etc. and that they had gone 11-3, but they were a 3-11 team the year before and they were still the Patriots. No member of the current roster possibly could appreciate the connotation of that designation in 1976.

It didn't happen.
Now I'm going to cut to the chase. You've read and heard all week about the roughing the passer flag referee Ben Dreith threw on Ray 'Sugar Bear' Hamilton on a third-and-18 Stabler incompletion at the Patriots' 27 with 57 seconds left and the Patriots leading, 21-17. The 77-year-old retired official still defends the call, and, truth be told, though it was wrong and inappropriate (common sense says you don't make a borderline call in such a situation, and this was absolute borderline), there have been many worse roughing the passer calls in the history of the game. Anyway, it's not the one that bothers me to this day.

The worst officiating travesty of the day came earlier in the period. The Patriots were driving and had third and 5 at the Oakland 32. The play call was a pass to Francis, the noted tight end, and it was incomplete - for a very good reason. Francis had no chance to catch the ball because Raiders linebacker Phil Villapiano had attached himself to Francis right from the snap. In the outside world Villapiano's action would have netted him three-to-five. But neither Dreith nor any of his colleagues saw fit to call the most obvious interference call any of them would ever encounter, period.

'He was holding me all the way,' maintained Francis. 'The officials were in good position to call it. They just wouldn't do it.'
I root. I admit it. When I no longer can develop the passion to care about a sports event, I will get out. But Will McDonough is more of a take-it-as-it-comes guy, and here is what he wrote about that play. ''Francis was held from start to finish by the linebacker Phil Villapiano, who was so aware of it that when the pass hit the ground, he jumped around with his arms outspread to the officials saying, 'Not me' like a kid caught with his hands in the cookie jar.'

It wasn't just these two calls/noncalls, either. What frustrates the Patriots who participated in that game to this day was the brutal incompetence of the officiating all afternoon. These men want to know how Stabler could go back to pass 49 times without there once being a holding call on his line, a line that was well known as the holdingest bunch in captivity. 'They hold worse than any team in the league,' confirmed Patriots center Dr. Bill Lenkaitis. 'After every time I rushed the passer,' added defensive end Julius Adams, 'I had to tuck my shirt back in. I don't play with my jersey outside, and I don't pull it out myself. Draw your own conclusion.'

My conclusion was that the Patriots wuz robbed. I had seen a great injustice, and it bothered me. Worse yet, those damnable Al Davis Raiders went on to win that Super Bowl. I just know that in their deepest heart of hearts the most rational among them know it was tainted, that in a fair world they would have been eliminated in the first round. When I walked out of Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum that afternoon I was so drained and bummed I decided to skip the Cable Car Classic. Anyone who knows me realizes the implications of that decision. Nah, it was far more important to drain a few beers and curse the fates.

The debt never has been paid, not even in 1985. It won't be until the Raiders and their fans and their owner are made to suffer.
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