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    Another non-believer, eh J?

    Quote Originally Posted by MindGoneHaywire
    The Eagle did a song called "Win?" Any song played after an Eagles song is an improvement, though on occasion I'm not always paying attention as my concentration is focused on locating the cretin who played the Eagles song. That sort of thing absolutely ruins my buzz, so I'm usually looking to do to that person what the Pats are going to do to the Eagles in Jacksonville. It's not pretty. But to avoid it, all one has to do is avoid playing Eagles songs in my presence. Not an unreasonable request, and not all that difficult to follow through on.

    "...I hate the f*cking Eagles, man." - Jeff Lebowski
    First of all, McNabb isn't a rookie, and he won't fold like Big Ben. Secondly, the Iggles don't turn the ball over very often, so the Pats will need to put together some long drives and not expect a bunch of handouts from the Eagles O.

    In addition, the Eagles secondary may be the best in the league, their run defence is greatly improved, and they don't give up many points...I think the 3rd fewest in the NFL, maybe second.

    Anyway, I'm pretty excited that they're going to the big dance in the first place, and I have a feeling they'll be back next year, win or lose.

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    opener

    Opening line = Pats by 6.5



    Eagles have a chance, but not a good one.

    New England, having won 2 of the last 3 SBs, know how the game is played and know how to handle the media rush and the emotional game-time rush.

    The virgin Eagles have much against them; most of which will prove to be in their heads.

    Good luck, Swishy.

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    I'll be listening the Eagle's "Hell Freezes Over"...Which is exactly what it'll take for the Eagles to even come close!!!
    This has the makings of a blowout.

    Better question will be what will I be listening too IF and when the Eagles cover the spread...

    Beck's "Loser" comes to mind...

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    gotcha back Swisher

    Quote Originally Posted by Swish
    First of all, McNabb isn't a rookie, and he won't fold like Big Ben. Secondly, the Iggles don't turn the ball over very often, so the Pats will need to put together some long drives and not expect a bunch of handouts from the Eagles O.

    In addition, the Eagles secondary may be the best in the league, their run defence is greatly improved, and they don't give up many points...I think the 3rd fewest in the NFL, maybe second.

    Anyway, I'm pretty excited that they're going to the big dance in the first place, and I have a feeling they'll be back next year, win or lose.

    Swish
    Looks like you could use somebackup. There's way more reasons to choose the Pat's in 2 weeks, but I've got that gut feeling that the birds are hungrier and will make a game of it, even walk away with the win. Plus, doesn't NE have some key injuries?
    My early prediction: Eagles 27, Pats 23
    Last edited by newtrix1; 01-24-2005 at 11:01 AM.

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    Even though I'm completely biased here (I've followed the Pats since the early 70's, and watch every game, and the NESN & Fox sports talk shows every week), I do think the only way they can lose is if they "lose it themselves"... as opposed to "getting beat." Of course, funny things happen in football. All it takes is a fumble or mistake of a split second on a read or penalty. Remember, the Pats were favored by 10 last year, yet needed every last second to pull it out on the last play.

    The betting line means very little... it's just a showing of where the money is going. It's really more a "poll" of (so called) football "experts" (ha ha ha!). And if you think those people, who bet on football all year long, can reliably pick games... well, you're a "bettor" man than I. They all win... all the time right? LOL.

    Quote Originally Posted by newtrix1
    Plus, doesn't NE have some key injuries?
    Yeah, they've lost a LOT of key players... and all year too. It's something most casual fans don't appreciate. They've lost a few Pro-bowl players among them. Pro-bowler (def tackle) Richard Seymour was the latest to go down... it's still questionable if he'll go next game, but I imagine he might give it a try regardless, being as the off-season is pretty long even if he reinjures himself. But it didn't hurt the Pats much not having him against the Steelers, and the Steelers had the best offensive line in the league. And that's the most amazing thing about this team... they've lost key starters all year, and at the skill positions like corner, yet it's not really hurt them. It usually derails a team when they lose such key players. They've had players come in who weren't even drafted!... without suffering the consequences. And having Troy Brown (the oldest Pat on the team) play DB does hurt their offense a bit, as he's always been their most clutch receiver.

    I was concerned about the Pittsburg game... because of the weather... the solid Pitt defense & offensive line. And NE had Ted Johnson sick with the flu... he's a big run-stopper in the secondary. But NE didn't make mistakes... and Pittsburg did. NE knew they needed to get an early lead, lest Pittsburg get a lead and then run run run the ball & clock.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swish
    In addition, the Eagles secondary may be the best in the league, their run defence is greatly improved, and they don't give up many points...I think the 3rd fewest in the NFL, maybe second.
    Well, the Pats played a tough schedule after winning last year, yet they have improved in most areas. Pittsburg had a great defense too. The Pats are very balanced, and have a true running game this year... something they didn't have the last 2 superbowl wins let alone the last 20 years. The Pats linebackers are probably the best in the league as a group. That said, I do consider any team capable of beating the Pats on any Sunday. It's happened a few times this year already.

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    The 2 biggest plus's for NE is 1/ Vinatieri, who's scored more point this year than anyone. He was vital last year, yet he was injured all year ...this year he's healthy and stronger, and he's having the best year of his career. 2/ Brady- he's as competitive as anyone I've ever seen. He's on par with Larry Bird for "super sports hero" around these parts, and that's very elite company. He has the same ability to pull rabbits out of hats... the kinda thing that's rare, and magical to follow as a fan. He also plays with a joy that pee-wee league kids do, yet he's much, much tougher than he looks. Belichick kept him as starter when Bledsoe got healthy... for damn good reason. I still wonder where we'd be had Bledsoe never gotten hurt... Brady would still be sitting on the bench somewhere. I guess I should thank the Jets for all this... LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack70
    Even though I'm completely biased here (I've followed the Pats since the early 70's, and watch every game, and the NESN & Fox sports talk shows every week), I do think the only way they can lose is if they "lose it themselves"... as opposed to "getting beat." Of course, funny things happen in football. All it takes is a fumble or mistake of a split second on a read or penalty. Remember, the Pats were favored by 10 last year, yet needed every last second to pull it out on the last play.

    ]
    First UCONN wins both the mens and womans BBall titles, then the Red Sox taking the World Series in dramatic fashion, and the Pats are shooting for their 3rd Superbowl after setting the record for most consecutive wins. Sheez - whadda great time to be a sports fan in New England eh?

    I'm a realistic about the Eagles, and Belachik having two weeks to prepare is huge.
    The Patriots are incredibly adaptable, they win shoot outs (indy week 1), or smash mouth (pittsburgh last week) and every style in between. Troy's right, the best 'TEAM' in the last 10 years.
    But they can be beat, the Eagles are balanced , offense/defense/special teams/ and the kicking game. If they play their best (the Eagles instead of the Beagles), and NE is a little off, I should be smiling Feb 6.
    I'll be watching the game in Lake Tahoe after a half day of skiing ..yippee.

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    more sports junk...

    Swish... you're correct about turnovers. It's the most reliable stat in win/lost. It's why "you never know."

    Quote Originally Posted by richmon
    First UCONN wins both the mens and womans BBall titles, then the Red Sox taking the World Series in dramatic fashion, and the Pats are shooting for their 3rd Superbowl after setting the record for most consecutive wins. Sheez - whadda great time to be a sports fan in New England eh?
    Gluttony? Hey, allow me one deadly sin... LOL

    It's not just those teams (at least for myself...). Over the past 10-15 years I've also been lucky to follow a local girls high-school basketball team to a handful of (exciting) state titles... some nationally ranked track stars and teams... and my niece who helped her team win a few high school State championships in Cross Country. It's very rare to have that kinda local success over such a small time-period, especially from our (least populated) part of the state. And BTW, high school athletics is the best deal there is, for true sports fans.

    But yeah, we're in a golden age, sports-wise around here (although UConn is a regional team... PC & BC have deeper roots New England-wise). Don't worry... I, for one, am well aware of it and appreciate it. I used to be a Sox fan too, but stopped cold turkey after the strike years ago. I'm still happy for the fans, but I couldn't name you the Sox lineup. I watched all of 2-3 innings of the series this year, and that's it.

    I remember thinking back in the 80's, that those Larry Bird-era Celtics would be the last time I'd be lucky enough to ever follow such a great (dynasty-like) team again (they showed every game on a local cable channel in those days). But since those days, we had the ascension of UConn hoops (& football this year... ranked 31 our first div-1 year), and the re-emergence of the Pats (after a brief rise in the mid-80's).

    I started cycling in the late 70's, and after Greg LeMond won the tour 3 times I also thought I'd probably never see another US rider do that, although I did expect US riders to win some Euro classics (day races). But winning a tour is the most physically demanding competition there is. So, when Lance Armstrong came along, I was likewise surprised, and very grateful to be able to witness & share in it. It's a once-in-a-lifetime kinda thing... like the Celtics were (I was too young for Bill Russell era)... and the Pats now.

    I sure hope the Patriots take advantage of this last opportunity this year. You never know when it'll come again. I know Troy said he thinks they'll be good again in the future, but that's not usually what happens... one little thing can derail things... injury or draft choices. And the salary cap (in football) makes it extremely difficult to stay at the top. The old Steelers & 49'ers dynasties didn't have that huge issue to deal with... which makes this team even more amazing.

    Another thing that makes it hard to return next year (or win this next game for that matter) is the tiny tiny difference in the quality between players at the Professional level. In the NCAA or high school you can have upsets... when a clearly superior group of athlete's is beaten by an inferior one, even though they're rare. But on the Pro level... there are no (real) upsets. The worst player on any team is still a superior athlete... they're all much closer, completively. Which is why teams with poor records beat the better teams regularly in any pro sport. That rarely happens in college or HS. A Duke basketball team will beat Podunk-state... 100 out of 100. That kinda disparity doesn't exist in the pros.

    BTW, many don't realize that the UConn women had their best team in '01. They had 5 all-Americans (past or future) on that team... enough depth to win with their 2'nd-five players if they'd wanted to. But that team had injuries, and other problems... and Notre Dame won the national title. Diana Taurasi was a freshman that year, and (uncharacteristically) went 1-13 behind the arc in the final-4. Otherwise they'd have won 5 national titles in a row, and be trying for #6 this year! So, just having the very best team doesn't guarantee a thing. UConn's "best team" didn't win a title.

    PS... on a tangential subject, Nova (PBS) had a piece last night on how the brain "mirrors" certain experiences by visually reacting to cues... it was used to explain why sports fans get so caught up in their teams etc. It mixed new bio data with social/psych interaction by people & animals. Pretty neat stuff.



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