Top 3 Rock Drummers - your opinion

[shokhead]

John Bonham is a great drummer and I love Zeppelin, but why is it anytime a "name the top X anything of rock" comes up, Zeppelin automatically gets a nod?

These guys were more than the sum of their parts, a great band, legends etc, but broken down, they're just outmatched by other musicians on a 1 on 1 basis...I won't argue Zeppelin being bigger and better than The Who, but Bonham could have easily been Keith Moon's roadie!!! No comparison.

Next someone will nominate Ringo Starr as a top 3 drummer....

Two reasons. He's always in the top of a list whenever somebody that knows what there talking about when it comes to drummers.
The other is Buddy Rich said he was one of the best he's seen. Thats right there is good enough for me.

[kexodusc]

Two reasons. He's always in the top of a list whenever somebody that knows what there talking about when it comes to drummers.
The other is Buddy Rich said he was one of the best he's seen. Thats right there is good enough for me.

Oh, well, I guess I don't know what I'm talking about then.

[BradH]

Stewart Copeland
Terry Bozzio
and...Hmmmm

Could be Phil Collins or Omar Hakim or Simon Phillips or....

Each of the above can move from techno-chops to sitting in the pocket with a solid 4/4 groove. Steve Smith did that too. Too bad he did his 4/4 with Journey.

Hell yes, Bonham was great. No one else sounded like that. Unlike most Brit drummers he played way behind the beat, perfectly with JP Jones (an underrated bassplayer). Both of them listened to a lot of James Brown and it shows if you listen strictly to the rhythm section. Very funky. But I would agree that Zep were more than the sum of their parts. They realized it the moment they first played together.

When I hear Yes I think of the drums. I played it so much my hands bled when I was thirteen. I haven't played in so long they'd probably bleed just holding the sticks!

[bobsticks]

I swear to god I was just having this bizarre inner dialogue as to whether Omar Hakim qualified as far the "rock" category thing goes. Since I'm not the only one, here goes:

1) Peart
2) Copeland
3) Hakim
Frankly, there hasn't been a poor suggestion, and yes, Phil Collins is a strong drummer. I just have a hard time voting for someone that looks and sings like a pterodactyl...

[Dusty Chalk]

For me, Bruford does not fit, although he is one of my favorite percussionists of all time.

Well, first of all, have you listened to "Heart of the Sunrise" or "South Side of the Sky" in a while? Both 'rock' and 'drum' come to mind. He also does some serious drumming with King Crimson (the Red album comes to mind).

Secondly, I wouldn't know the difference between a percussionist and a drummer if you sat them down next to each other at their respective 'kits' and pointed.

[Dusty Chalk]

These guys get little respect don't they? Who's overlooked more, bassists or drummers?

Drummers have the most jokes about them. I'd say drummers get the least respect.

I'd love to see the following scene in a movie about a band rehearsing:

Vocalist: Hey, have you heard this one yet guys? Who's the member of the band who can't keep a beat...no, wait, that's not it how it goes...how do you know a drummer? Because he nods his head out of time with the rhythm! (laughs)
Drummer: How can you tell a lead vocalist from a background vocalist?
Vocalist: (quizzical expression)
Drummer: The background vocalist sings on key without effects.
(fisticuffs ensue)

[Woochifer]

Stewart Copeland
Terry Bozzio
and...Hmmmm

Could be Phil Collins or Omar Hakim or Simon Phillips or....

Each of the above can move from techno-chops to sitting in the pocket with a solid 4/4 groove. Steve Smith did that too. Too bad he did his 4/4 with Journey.

Glad to see Simon Philips get some mention. He was a great session player.

Steve Smith also did a lot of 4/4 with Steps Ahead. He replaced Peter Erskine (huge shoes to fill) in that lineup, and did the right thing by not trying to imitate Erskine's more enigmatic approach and played more to his own strengths. People who only know Smith through his work with Journey will likely be shocked by how much range he actually has.

Good to also see Collins and Hakim getting mention. Surprised that I haven't seen anyone mention Carl Palmer. I guess with the list limited to three, the open slots are scarce since it seems that Neil Peart, Mike Portnay, or Keith Moon have shown up on the majority of the lists so far.

[kexodusc]

Look, I'm not trying to start a flame war...Zeppelin is one of my favorite pure rock bands...(

If I had to go top 10, Bonham would be there...I'm just guessing my subjective preferences for music have kept him down, maybe...I'm just passionate about my three favorite drummers, with Moon's band being not being one of my favs...to me these guys are in a whole 'nuther league...

I'll respect your opinions...

I'm not a big King Crimson fan and haven't given Brufords work enough of a listen (though I do own the Red album and will give that a go this weekend, I promise)...

This is a great discussion by the way...

I wonder how much each drummer's respective group's songwriting ability is influencing our decision? Come to think of it, a lot of these guys did a big part of the composing.
I know for a fact Portnoy and Peart are heavy into the writing process - Vapor Trail's best parts are they lyrics he wrote at times (except live where the songs don't suffer from the hack job recording) And there'd be no Dream Theater without Portnoy (and Peart).

It's been years since I played drums regularly...just not that coordinated so I wussed out and went back to guitar and cello....

[Slosh]

And there'd be no Dream Theater without Portnoy (and Peart).

Ahh, now that'd be a dream

Howz about the guy from Spoon
or the one from Richard Davies' band
or whoever it is from Les Savy Fav.

Hey, they're just good drummers and why should I know their names? But all of the above add greatly to the music without calling attention to themselves.

Hell, even I can play drums pretty competently and I've never even owned a set.

[shokhead]

Oh, well, I guess I don't know what I'm talking about then.

Thats not what i meant. Other drummers, ex rockers,stuff like that.

[shokhead]

Look, I'm not trying to start a flame war...Zeppelin is one of my favorite pure rock bands...(

If I had to go top 10, Bonham would be there...I'm just guessing my subjective preferences for music have kept him down, maybe...I'm just passionate about my three favorite drummers, with Moon's band being not being one of my favs...to me these guys are in a whole 'nuther league...

I'll respect your opinions...

I'm not a big King Crimson fan and haven't given Brufords work enough of a listen (though I do own the Red album and will give that a go this weekend, I promise)...

This is a great discussion by the way...

I wonder how much each drummer's respective group's songwriting ability is influencing our decision? Come to think of it, a lot of these guys did a big part of the composing.
I know for a fact Portnoy and Peart are heavy into the writing process - Vapor Trail's best parts are they lyrics he wrote at times (except live where the songs don't suffer from the hack job recording) And there'd be no Dream Theater without Portnoy (and Peart).

It's been years since I played drums regularly...just not that coordinated so I wussed out and went back to guitar and cello....

Damit,if you dont like my list i'm going to beat you like a drum. My drummer is better then yours.

[musicman1999]

1. Bonham
2.Peart
3. the guy from Spinal Tap. cant remember his name.

bill

[RoyY51]

My One-And-Only vote goes to a true pioneer of rock music... Hal Blaine.

For you youngsters not familiar with the name, take a look at your parent's albums (you know, those flat vinyl things in their closets) from the late 60's and 70's. You will see his name on the credits on MOST of the hit songs recorded during this era.

During his reign as the The King of Studio Drummers, Hal had two crews of roadies, setting up two identical drum kits at the various Hollywood studios. While he laid down the tracks for the session of the moment, the first crew would be packing up the kit from the previous session, then transporting it to the studio that was two sessions out. The second crew would be assembling the kit for the session to follow, then hit the road to pack up the kit from the session that Hal had just finished. It wasn't unusual for Hal to record five or six session a day.

Hal wasn"t in demand solely because of his stamina (although this was a major factor). He was a genius at creating new and innovative sounds. The reverb-drenched snare drum on Bridge Over Troubled Waters was his creation, since copied by almost everyone. I could go on, but since my dinner's almost ready, I'll leave it at this:.

No matter how old you are, or what your musical preferences are, I guarantee that you have heard Hal Blaine's work hundreds of times. He is certainly a true pioneer and innovator on the rock music scene.

[MindGoneHaywire]

My One-And-Only vote goes to a true pioneer of rock music... Hal Blaine.

Thank you. Although I'm not sure I'd have him in my top 3, he's certainly up there. I do think Keith Moon is the guy, if you could choose only one guy for yr band. Then, Ringo. You can have most of the rest, but after those two, I'm not sure I can deny Stewart Copeland. Still, Blaine belongs there as much as anyone.

But my original list was...the cartoon version of Ringo, the drummer from the Banana Splits, and the chick from the cartoon version of Josie & the Pussycats...but in a pinch, I'll take Meg White, Dennis Wilson, & the girl from the Shaggs.

[kexodusc]

Ahh, now that'd be a dream

Howz about the guy from Spoon
or the one from Richard Davies' band
or whoever it is from Les Savy Fav.

Hey, they're just good drummers and why should I know their names? But all of the above add greatly to the music without calling attention to themselves.

Hell, even I can play drums pretty competently and I've never even owned a set.

I can play 3/4 and 4/4...etc, start getting more odd times like 5/4 7/4 and I'll screw it up for everyone else...I started on piano, I dunno why, but moving to drums was always much harder for me than for my brother moving to guitar or bass etc...'cept he can't sing worth beans

[kexodusc]

Thats not what i meant. Other drummers, ex rockers,stuff like that.

I'm just pullin' yer chain shocky...

Seriously though, we didn't really define criteria...if it's a "who do we like" more list, I'd revise my picks a bit...if we were to put these guys through some sort of drummers obstacle course, well...I have a biased opinion on who I think would do better, but I could be wrong...
Everyone of these guys has their strengths.


And what's his face in Gov't Mule is pretty rockin' too...

[shokhead]

You know who else isnt half bad is Ringo's son.

[jamison]

1.Neil Pert
2. Jon Bonham
3. Keith Moon

[Ex Lion Tamer]

Robert Gotobed
Budgie
Victor DeLorenzo

[shokhead]

Little surprised nobody has said Mike Shrieve. Does he belong on a list?

[BarryL]

I'm with Troy on Chris Maitland. He is awesome.

I'd throw in Nick D'Virgilio from Spock's Beard

Third, Antonia Sanchez. If anyone saw Pat Metheny's This Way Up tour, he was the drummer.

I'd also throw in the old Flower Kings drummer, Zoltan Csorsz

[rob7]

Scott Rockenfield, QR, first 6 albums (haven't heard MCII yet)
Charlie Benante, Anthrax, drums, guitars, and writes a decent portion of their music
Lars Ulrich, nothing great lately though

[rob7]

Oh yea, Rick Allen. Not the biggest fan of Leppard, but you gotta give that guy a little credit.

[Woochifer]

Third, Antonia Sanchez. If anyone saw Pat Metheny's This Way Up tour, he was the drummer.

Can also catch Sanchez on Pat Metheny Group's Speaking of Now concert DVD. He was already phenomenal in that performance, but on PMG's more recent tour is support of The Way Up, Sanchez took it to a different level. A DVD from that tour is supposedly in the works right now.

[ForeverAutumn]

3. the guy from Spinal Tap. cant remember his name.

bill

I know who you mean. Yeah...the guy who died.