Supreme Court declines to hear lawsuit vs. the Beastie Boys

[Resident Loser]

...sarcasm...yes! For someone who uses sophomoric humor, I would have thought you would be operating at least a tenth-grade level, spelling wise..."no insult implied right?" only as much as your "...w(h)ine and cheese..." bit implied...

...What size feet do you have Jim?...

Again, I never used the word "simpleton" and I never attacked your taste in music...I did, in fact, lambaste some of your statements, pure and simple. Is the shoe on the other foot?

...It also reaches new heights, I encourage you to abandon your prejudices and give it another chance...or listen to the same ol' stuff - but don't complain to me about boring and formulaic...

Some heights to one may seem mighty low to others...as stated previously, anytime I hear something with promise, it really goes nowhere in the end...stale, repetitive, formulaic...the first time you hear muted guitar strings slashed-at thru a wah-wah, wocka-ja-wocka style(which presages record scratching) you say "hey that's cool"...it gets old real quick, however. No, I don't listen to the SOS, I'm much more interested in classic jazz...it's all new, different and contains everything I look for in music: melody, harmony and musical talent.

...not the environment...

My mistake...given my current mindset, I thought you were referring to non-renewable resources...money, as long as I am gainfully employed, is not one of them IMO...

...If it walks like a duck...okay, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...but must you always be so negative, cheer up guy!...

I have no laments, there is a world of archived music to choose from...you think I'm negative? I'm a realist and I see that as a positive...BTW, I'm as happy as a clam!!!

...Your inability to grasp this speaks volumes about your limited view on what constitutes "copyright infringement"...

Well, ya' got me there...I assume you are referring to time signature(5/4)...all music is subject to interperetation or improvisation(some of it is even called for in the score)...but I fail to see how this relates to "copyright infringement'...enlighten me.

I'm sorry, back in my day "also ran" and "wannabe" weren't compliments...perhaps you could elaborate so nobody mistakes you for being full of it.

I never intended those terms to be compliments, you may wish to refer to my "wocka-ja-wocka" remarks a few paragraphs back...When the riff from "Walk This Way" appeared in the the rap, I thought it was interesting if a bit plagiaristic...when everybody else starts to do similar things, it's old news, day-old bread...how many reality shows do we really need? The answer, obviously: none.

...You're usually sharper than this...

Sorry I fall short of your idea of "cutting edge"...I'll have to get out my whetstone and give my barb a stroke or two...

jimHJJ(...pure kerosene or cutting oil?...)

[kexodusc]

Again, I never used the word "simpleton" and I never attacked your taste in music...I did, in fact, lambaste some of your statements, pure and simple.

Well, you tried. You did make some pretty generalized statements about the state of music today - "lack of talent" "not worth the effort". Those are just wrong.

When it comes to pop music, you and I agree. I think we differ in that I don't judge the current state of music by the current state of American pop music. Big difference. You're judging the "art" by its worst. I refuse to do so.

I wonder if you were always like this. Surely at one point in your life there was "new" music that met your approval? Was it also "pop" music? I'm willing to bet most of your classic jazz never entered the "pop" mainstream. Most of mine sure didn't. But I managed to find it anyway. Took a bit of "effort". Ya know what, it was worth it.

Some heights to one may seem mighty low to others...as stated previously, anytime I hear something with promise, it really goes nowhere in the end...stale, repetitive, formulaic...the first time you hear muted guitar strings slashed-at thru a wah-wah, wocka-ja-wocka style(which presages record scratching) you say "hey that's cool"...it gets old real quick, however.

Then may I suggest you either aren't trying hard enough, or just not effectively? Maybe you need to expand your tastes, just a little.

No, I don't listen to the SOS, I'm much more interested in classic jazz...it's all new, different and contains everything I look for in music: melody, harmony and musical talent.

Well, I'm happy you at least have classic jazz, I'm sure we share a few common favorites.
Just curious, what was the last "new" music you were happy with?

I have no laments, there is a world of archived music to choose from...you think I'm negative?

I only have your words to go by...You've certainly done more complaining and insulting in this thread than made positive, constructive statements. I apologize if this is just a coincidence.


There's more music being made than ever before. I find it difficult to accept that absolutely none of it can meet your approval. Very difficult to be exposed to it all, especially when record companies are more interested in promoting copies of imitations rather than truly new creative music. On this you seem to agree. But you seem to object to consumers taking matters into their own hands, and using the internet (illegal downloading, oh the horror) to find new music they do like. Here's an opportunity for you to be constructive - I'm open to a better solution, perhaps you could suggest one?

If you can't, and are unwilling to make the effort, I fail to see why we should accept anything opinion you have on the current state of music. You are hardly an authority on the subject.

[Resident Loser]

...short(fat chance) and sweet(at least less confrontational sounding)...

...I wonder if you were always like this. Surely at one point in your life there was "new" music that met your approval?...

Hard to pinpoint an exact turning-point...prior to any transition, and after the usual suspects i.e. Hendrix, Cream, The Stones, Black Sabbath, et al, my main diet was Dylan, The Dead, The Band, Pink Floyd, Zappa, Elvis Costello, some Joe Jackson, lots of other bits and pieces ranging from the B52s to Devo...sometime in the mid 70s, I also began to seriously investigate classical, including opera. My collection of that genre has become more specifically guitar oriented, Segovia, Williams, Parkening...The DtoD market sprung up with the likes of Dave Grusin and Charlie Byrd. Some time thereafter, I happened upon country...actually a re-visit since I grew up listening to Hank Williams, Tex Ritter, Patsy Cline...enjoying performers like Randy Travis, Vern Gosdin, John Anderson and Lyle Lovett...somewhere early in this period(again hard to deliniate) "pop"(in the generic sense) held less and less interest...some exceptions: Squeeze, The Clash, early Springsteen, Talking Heads, The Traveling Wilburys...New Age disappointed quickly...then we do a Louisiana two-step to Cajun and Zydeco...Jazz began to show up around the perifery...always liked up-tempo stuff(sort of in the style of Van Morrisons' "Moondance"). Sprinkle in some older classical jazz("Davis' "Kind Of Blue" may be my fave) and that pretty well sums it all up...Throw in some Native American Flute music and tie it in a bow...

My most recent purchases were the LA Guitar Quartet's "Guitar Heroes", a compilation CD of various artists playing Hawiian Slack Guitar, Coltrane's "Blue Train", Miles Davis "Birth Of The Cool", Bill Frisell's "Gone, Just Like A Train", Allison Krauss and Union Station's "New Favorite...which was spawned by the soundtrack from "O, Brother Where Art Thou" which in turn caused the purchase a couple of compilations of the "old-timey" music as performed by original artists and one from Bill Monroe and the Bluegrass Boys at the Grand Ol' Opry. My next purchase will be from a guitarist named Paul Galbraith, who plays a 10-string instrument and is very much in the classical vein, Bach partitas and such.

So as you can see, I have a varied taste and don't think I'm pigeon-holed into any specific musical coop...I think I'm fairly open-minded so, I'll make you a deal...make a list of what you think is exemplar of your definition of "excellent new music" and I will do my best to track them down and give them a fair shake...it may take some time to accomplish it, but I'll do my best.

Some help: don't bother to include Dave Matthews Band, Hootie And The Blowfish, Phish and Foo-Fighters or any of a similar bent...And since I work "in the 'hood" and am subjected to it in perpetuum, rap isn't high on the list either...sorry if that attitude ruffles any feathers...

jimHJJ(...as I've said I'll do my best...)

[MindGoneHaywire]

Don't have much time at the moment, but for starters:

Madeleine Peyroux--Careless Love
Bebel Gilberto--self-titled
Bob Dylan--Love & Theft
David Johansen & The Harry Smiths--self-titled

For something a little rock-i-er & a little older (20 years now), try a Replacements record such as Tim or Pleased To Meet Me. More recent "rock" stuff I'll get to later. In a way I do consider these 'new' in the sense that they never reached a wide audience, don't suffer from 80s overproduction, and still sound like fresh rock'n'roll records that are sort of in the same ballpark with records like London Calling, at least to people who haven't followed this genre all that closely over the past couple of decades. Speaking of London Calling, the last Joe Strummer record, Streetcore, was probably the best thing, I think, that he did after that rec, except for perhaps Sandanista! It's from 2003.

I'll follow up w/comments on these & other suggestions later tonight or tomorrow...and I thank you for this post. And I suspect there may be more than a few people here who may send a few, or more than a few, suggestions yr way as well.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

And I suspect there may be more than a few people here who may send a few, or more than a few, suggestions yr way as well.

I'll run a few up the flagpole and see if Resident Loser saluts.

Matthew Sweet could possibly restore one's fainth in power-pop, as could Ben Folds as well as The New Pornographers

Given the early Springsteen reference, one could try Steve Earle, any of the last five or six albums may be worth a try but especially, Train a Comin or I Feel Alright.

Wilco seems like something worth looking into, as does Songs: Ohia/Magnolia Electric Co.. And Celxico's, Feast of Wire, seems a no-brainer.

How about Ted Leo & The Pharmacists, specifically Tyranny of Distance, Gomez might have some appeal, as might Morphine, Liquid Skin, by the former, Yes from the latter. Kings of Leon too may be of interest.

Ben Harper is a likeable chap with a few nice albums to his credit.

I won't list Built to Spill, because you saifd Neil Young is not your cup of tea, but I bet Doug Martsch's, solo album might be hold some appeal.

If singer/songwriter stuff is of interest you could do worse than, Sufjan Steven, Iron & Wine, Papa M or Sun Kil Moon.

And finally, Richard Thompson, continues to write great songs and play some stinging guitar; Mock Tudor from a few years back is excellent.

I could add more, but I'll stop now.

[nobody]

I'll be a jerk and say recommending new stuff isn't really gonna help. We can recommend rock bands that have a wide appeal and he will find them derritive. We can recommend hip hop opr electronica, which stays away from being derritive, but he will say those genres aren't real music and therefore crap.

But, hey, he doesn't have to like new music. There is indeed giant archives of great stuff from the past to listen to...and iof that's what he prefers, who really cares. I just think it's the value statements that imply that his preferences are in some way objectively better than the preferences of others that gets people all hot and othered.

Although, I do have to think that David Johansen recording would be something that may appeal to someone digging through old music as the versions are quite faithful, Johansen is in fine voice and you are able to get a high fidelity recording done in a very authentic style. Sure old transcriptions from 78 are great, but it is nice to have a few quality recordings of old acoustic blues tunes.

And, hell maybe a couple others on them lists would ring some bells as well, I just don't see anything on there that's gonna change his view on modern music. Even the Johansen record is only gonna reinforce his belief that those old tunes are worlds better than newer stuff.