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    Is it possible to get ungapped burned CD's?

    I download, sometimes, very special priced or already discontinued clasiccal music (only available through downloading). I still prefer physical CD's inside their boxes and librettos. Well, I have the important doubt with respect of if it is, or it is not possible to get UNGAPPED burned wav CD's coming from MP3 downloads, OF TRACKED CONTINUE MUSIC, as for example complete operas's acts. I do not mean different acts' tracks, but those tracks that are suposed just to look for special parts, not to interrupt music.I intend, at deeply googling my doubt, that even with Nero or ITunes one always gets gapped sound. I have been affraid to download a very specific extraordinary complete opera from DG web page, but I am affraid to get a completely gapped disaster. Obviously, I prefer listen through my stereo, not thorugh the PC. Many thanks and greetings PLEASE SORRY IF I POSTED IN THE WRONG PLACE...

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    MP3 isn't a gapless format but some encoders (such as Lame 3.90 and newer) put a flag in the meta-data to tell the software where the song is actually supposed to end. I hardly ever burn MP3 to audio CD but when I have I've been able to do so gaplessly with Nero. Of course if you're downloading MP3s you have no control over which encoder was used. If possible try to download FLAC or WAV files instead (which are inherently gapless).

    Another option (if you're on a PC) is to re-rip your improperly gapped CDs with Exact Audio Copy. It has a setting to remove gaps and I can verify it works quite well. I've had some CD-Rs that friends burned for me that had added gaps (track-at-once instead of disc-at-once) that EAC was able to remove.
    Originally Posted by Troy: She has that same kind of cleft-pallet, slightly retarded way of singing that so many other people find endearing.


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    Many thanks for the first constructive answer I have received... Greetings

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    Sorry...

    Sorry for my inoperance, but how do I perform the ungapped re-rip? At recording CD wothout gap? Many thanks and soory again
    Quote Originally Posted by Slosh
    MP3 isn't a gapless format but some encoders (such as Lame 3.90 and newer) put a flag in the meta-data to tell the software where the song is actually supposed to end. I hardly ever burn MP3 to audio CD but when I have I've been able to do so gaplessly with Nero. Of course if you're downloading MP3s you have no control over which encoder was used. If possible try to download FLAC or WAV files instead (which are inherently gapless).

    Another option (if you're on a PC) is to re-rip your improperly gapped CDs with Exact Audio Copy. It has a setting to remove gaps and I can verify it works quite well. I've had some CD-Rs that friends burned for me that had added gaps (track-at-once instead of disc-at-once) that EAC was able to remove.

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    If you are using iTunes to rip the CDs you can rip groups of songs or an entire CD as one track: Highlight the songs you want to be conected and go to "Advanced" at the top of the screen. CHoose "Join CD Tracks" and then rip the album as per usual. This will connect those tracks permanently. This means you won't be able to play those tracks individually anymore, but they will play without gap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sachs
    Sorry for my inoperance, but how do I perform the ungapped re-rip? At recording CD wothout gap? Many thanks and soory again
    Everything you need to know can be found here. Don't worry, it's not nearly as complicated as it first appears.


    http://www.teqnilogik.com/tutorials/eac.shtml
    Originally Posted by Troy: She has that same kind of cleft-pallet, slightly retarded way of singing that so many other people find endearing.


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    Many thanks. I was asking about EAC recently recommended. I mean for already "gapped" wav CD's gotten from burning MP3 ones. I supose that ITunes does the same, doen't it? Greetings

    Quote Originally Posted by Troy
    If you are using iTunes to rip the CDs you can rip groups of songs or an entire CD as one track: Highlight the songs you want to be conected and go to "Advanced" at the top of the screen. CHoose "Join CD Tracks" and then rip the album as per usual. This will connect those tracks permanently. This means you won't be able to play those tracks individually anymore, but they will play without gap.

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    Many thanks and friendly regards...

    Quote Originally Posted by Slosh
    Everything you need to know can be found here. Don't worry, it's not nearly as complicated as it first appears.


    http://www.teqnilogik.com/tutorials/eac.shtml

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    sorry Slosh

    I have been exploring EAC and I cannot find for sure the setting to do what you advice me. Please sorry. Even reading the tutorial page, I cannot. I am usualy very clever for these matters, but now I rcognize I need a bit help. Please,. give me a hand... Many thanks and regards

    Quote Originally Posted by Slosh
    MP3 isn't a gapless format but some encoders (such as Lame 3.90 and newer) put a flag in the meta-data to tell the software where the song is actually supposed to end. I hardly ever burn MP3 to audio CD but when I have I've been able to do so gaplessly with Nero. Of course if you're downloading MP3s you have no control over which encoder was used. If possible try to download FLAC or WAV files instead (which are inherently gapless).

    Another option (if you're on a PC) is to re-rip your improperly gapped CDs with Exact Audio Copy. It has a setting to remove gaps and I can verify it works quite well. I've had some CD-Rs that friends burned for me that had added gaps (track-at-once instead of disc-at-once) that EAC was able to remove.

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    Do you know an alternative method with a less complex application? Regards and thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Slosh
    MP3 isn't a gapless format but some encoders (such as Lame 3.90 and newer) put a flag in the meta-data to tell the software where the song is actually supposed to end. I hardly ever burn MP3 to audio CD but when I have I've been able to do so gaplessly with Nero. Of course if you're downloading MP3s you have no control over which encoder was used. If possible try to download FLAC or WAV files instead (which are inherently gapless).

    Another option (if you're on a PC) is to re-rip your improperly gapped CDs with Exact Audio Copy. It has a setting to remove gaps and I can verify it works quite well. I've had some CD-Rs that friends burned for me that had added gaps (track-at-once instead of disc-at-once) that EAC was able to remove.

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    Here's the screen you will see when launching EAC. Click on "EAC"

    Next click "EAC Options"

    Then click on "Extraction" and check "Delete leading and trailing silent blocks"

    Normally you don't want this checked because you want to rip the CD exactly as it is layed out on the disc but in this case you're trying to eliminate extra long gaps. When you rip (under the "Action" tab) do so uncompressed (aka .wav) with "current gap settings" and then you can burn the .wav files with EAC or any other burning software.

    Really, it's not as complicated as it initially looks.
    Last edited by Slosh; 10-11-2009 at 03:43 AM.
    Originally Posted by Troy: She has that same kind of cleft-pallet, slightly retarded way of singing that so many other people find endearing.


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    Not at all. Many, many thanks for you friendly good will. Actually I do not need just to eliminate "long" gaps, but the full gap, for I am speaking of those tracks that are not addressed to separate the music, but to point special places for musical interest (as inside an opera complete act). When one downloads paid files they download as MP3 (Flac is no difference for people older than 25 years old...). Then, as somebody, as me, like to listen through the Stereo system, it's necessary to burn private CD's. They result in 'gapped' wav ones (even with ITunes). As for this,you adviced me to re-rip de primary burned CD with AEC. I downloaded the application but it was not very clear how to proceed. Thanks to your good will and kindness, I think I will download the unavailable in physical CD's DG Tristan und Isolde by Carlos Kleiber (at just US$20.00...). It waits a long job to get the final CD's but the work is worth of. Many, many thanks.

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    Short question

    In he course of this action is it possible to transform MP3 to wav files (those to be ungapped), on other than a blank CD? I mean to avoid too many blank CD's spoling. I am not so weak in other areas of home computation... Sorry... Many thanks
    Quote Originally Posted by Slosh
    Here's the screen you will see when launching EAC. Click on "EAC"

    Next click "EAC Options"

    Then click on "Extraction" and check "Delete leading and trailing silent blocks"

    Normally you don't want this checked because you want to rip the CD exactly as it is layed out on the disc but in this case you're trying to eliminate extra long gaps. When you rip (under the "Action" tab) do so uncompressed (aka .wav) with "current gap settings" and then you can burn the .wav files with EAC or any other burning software.

    Really, it's not as complicated as it initially looks.

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    When you say "current gap settings" I supose you are talking about the previously setting in EAC options? Thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Slosh
    Here's the screen you will see when launching EAC. Click on "EAC"

    Next click "EAC Options"

    Then click on "Extraction" and check "Delete leading and trailing silent blocks"

    Normally you don't want this checked because you want to rip the CD exactly as it is layed out on the disc but in this case you're trying to eliminate extra long gaps. When you rip (under the "Action" tab) do so uncompressed (aka .wav) with "current gap settings" and then you can burn the .wav files with EAC or any other burning software.

    Really, it's not as complicated as it initially looks.

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    Sorry with explanations

    Dear Slosh, I have been "adequated to my age" (72) and I got severe lumbago, next my first cold after I discovered my incipient lung cancer in 2002 that meant quit smoking my 25 daily cigarettes (currently, just cigars and pipe and at home, not moving). Well, I still do not dare to download an opera or any tracked continuous music (monkeys insist in issueing Liszt's sonata fully tracked...), because of my doubts that it could result in a serial of gaps. I got an agreable surprise that, perhaps, you could explain me. I download an abridged Tosca, that brought a continuous scene very tracked (MP3 file). When I converted to WAV, at my usual burning with Burrrn, I got the surprised taht music is played continuously (stereo system), just gapping when it has to be.
    Second: I do not why but the pictures that you, so kindly, copied for me in the forum, disappeared. I had your message in my draft folder with correspondent links. I just converted a lot of MP3 files in WAV ones but inside the hard disk. Is it possible to perform the EAC procedure with hard disk files, in order to abridge the double burning? If not, of course no problem and let us double rip... In the mean time I will try with a some backed up files if I can get an ungapped result... Many thanks, sorry and friendly regards and the very best for this month.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slosh
    Here's the screen you will see when launching EAC. Click on "EAC"

    Next click "EAC Options"

    Then click on "Extraction" and check "Delete leading and trailing silent blocks"

    Normally you don't want this checked because you want to rip the CD exactly as it is layed out on the disc but in this case you're trying to eliminate extra long gaps. When you rip (under the "Action" tab) do so uncompressed (aka .wav) with "current gap settings" and then you can burn the .wav files with EAC or any other burning software.

    Really, it's not as complicated as it initially looks.

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    Addendum

    I tried with hard diskwav files but EAC rejects them for not having compression setting or something like that. Well I introduced a CD and saw that the procedure is very short and simple. One archives the files and then from those ones one makes the new CD. Fine. As you have realized I do not want to have a snake of songs, but to get complete uninterrupted works, as opera's acts, without gaps. I am a classical music collector and until now I have downloaded just recitals, chamber music and so on that are "naturally" tracked between movements. The trouble is MP3 of continuous classical music fully tracked at the time to get the burned cd's. I have a lot of operas that are waiting for being loaded for me after I get the procedure to not spoil them. Will I have problems to burn the new files if they are WAV ones? Greetings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slosh
    Here's the screen you will see when launching EAC. Click on "EAC"

    Next click "EAC Options"

    Then click on "Extraction" and check "Delete leading and trailing silent blocks"

    Normally you don't want this checked because you want to rip the CD exactly as it is layed out on the disc but in this case you're trying to eliminate extra long gaps. When you rip (under the "Action" tab) do so uncompressed (aka .wav) with "current gap settings" and then you can burn the .wav files with EAC or any other burning software.

    Really, it's not as complicated as it initially looks.

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    [QUOTE=Troy]If you are using iTunes to rip the CDs you can rip groups of songs or an entire CD as one track:

    A little late, but many thanks to you, as for the other very kind members who have helped me. I answered here for being specific with you because I havn't read yout short wise advice. Greetings

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    That possibility is for ripping not for burning. Many thanks
    [QUOTE=Troy]I

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy
    If you are using iTunes to rip the CDs you can rip groups of songs or an entire CD as one track: Highlight the songs you want to be conected and go to "Advanced" at the top of the screen. CHoose "Join CD Tracks" and then rip the album as per usual. This will connect those tracks permanently. This means you won't be able to play those tracks individually anymore, but they will play without gap.
    Sorry for answering so late; I hadn't read your question. I like classical music since Haydn until now; also, as serious listener, I like opera (musically speaking). Cheers

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